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  2. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    I was going to say the same thing
  3. Alex Kovalev becomes an assistant coach in China

    I get that Kovolev was never going to be mistaken for bob gainey, but do you hate all Uber skilled offensive players, or guys that have flash and dash, rather than being boring vanilla or granola robots?? That’s been the issue with habs management for far too long. Everyone has to be bob gainey to be considered a guy that should play on the habs. How often did guy lafleur or Steve shutt backcheck, kill penalties or block shots??? Hell in the 81 Canada cup my leaf fan friends in school ridiculed me for Lafleur turning away from a fake slap shot from a Russian, who than preceded to walk around him and score. we don’t need every player to be a penalty killer. We’ve been one of the lowest scoring teams forever and the main reason is the coaches and managemt have been hung up on trying to turn goal scorers into bob gainey and guy carboneau, or they keep wafting first round picks on guys like chipchura and Mccaron, or play guys like Weiss and Moen on the top PP unit. It’s no wonder why we can’t find and develop offensive players.
  4. Alex Kovalev becomes an assistant coach in China

    The only forward we’ve had since the mid 90’s that can be considered a guy to build around, is a leader and makes everyone around him better was Koivu - and he was never the guy he could have been I’d he didnt blow out his knee. That’s a terrible indictment on the habs management teams for over two decades. maxpac and Kovolev are great complementary players you need to win, but they aren’t the straw that stirs the drink. We had one of those on the backend and dumped him.
  5. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    The guy who should’ve been hired to replace MT, instead of bringing in a clone.
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  7. Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

    I am suggesting to retain cap for Alzner so that we can move him for a prospect that could become a better fit with the CH down the road. I still think that Patches for Strome is doable since they could move RNH back to center without loosing too much punch. But you are right that it may be too much to ask for Klefbom . What about asking for Caleb Jones (or William Lagesson) instead? That would be: Jones (LD) R. Strome (C) and their 10th overall. We could send another defense than Alzner but they seem to have a deeper D-depth than the CH.
  8. Alex Kovalev becomes an assistant coach in China

    Kovalev was a sublime talent, but he's the guy you add to an already-strong roster to put it over the top. Not a guy you build around, which is more or less what the Habs tried to do. I loved him because he was entertaining even when slumping (the drama was always there). But he wasn't meant to be a cornerstone guy.
  9. Alex Kovalev becomes an assistant coach in China

    Pure numbers. Pacioretty has produced more than kovalev. Kovalev has the one big season... but consistency wise Pacioretty has produced far more over a long period of time. (For the habs)
  10. These are good points. I don't know why, but I loved Kovalev. Roy, Price, Kovalev, Markov, Subban were probably my favorite players in the last 25 years.
  11. Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

    Highly highly doubt EDM would go anywhere near Alzner, because they’re trying to dump cap. Alzner is stupid expensive for what he brings. It would ruin the purpose of trading Klefbom for them.
  12. Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

    I know I've been laughed at already for some of my suggestions. But here I go again . Trying to get it right. Despite not wanting to trade Patches, I understand that the CH needs to manage that asset for the good of the club; as we did with Pleks. In return I have looked for a LD and a Center that have a potential to be 2C for the CH. I've looked at teams that may benefit from a cheap 30g LW and a slowish established bottom 4 LD (with the CH retaining part of the cap). So, here are four potential trades involving Pacioretty and Alzner: 1) Edmonton: 2018 10th overall, Klefbom(LD) and R.Strome(C) 2) Dallas: 2018 13 overall, Heatherington(LD), Shore(C) 3) Anaheim: 2018 23 overall, Larsson (LD), Nattinen (C) 4) Los Angeles: 2018 20 overall, Clague (LD), Anders-Dolan (C) With the draft pick the CH could get the best D available. It does not solve out 1C problem, but it should get us closer to fixing the CH LD problems.
  13. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    Who was their assistant coach that year?
  14. Pacioretty 30g-29a/yr career + plays PK, voted captain by teammates; but many Hab fans seem to hate him for being a floater. Kovalev 26g-40a/yr for Habs, couldn't even spell PK and musta went to the Cammalleri school of back... or any kind of checking. Was never a big fan at all (should of traded him before he was let go), but he really was skilled stickhandler ill give him that and seems a fan favourite with most for sure. If look up 'floater' in dictionary, will see his picture not Pacioretty's. I think he managed to play 1300 NHL games without ever breaking a sweat.
  15. 2018 World Championships Thread

    Jacob de la Rose is off to the Gold Medal game after Sweden crushed the US 6-0 today. Canada and Switzerland play in a couple of hours in the other semi-final.
  16. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    They are pretty deep. We all know what the Karlsson-Marchessault-Smith line did. David Perron had 66 points Erik Haula 29 goals and 55 points James Neal 25 goals Alex Tuch 37 points Eakin had 27 On D, Colin Miller had 41 points Nat Schmidt 36 Theodore 29 Engelland 23 points They just have a bunch of #2 line capable forwards and a bunch of 2nd pair capable D And all have speed.
  17. Alex Kovalev becomes an assistant coach in China

    Closest thing to a generational skater the Habs have had since Lafleur. Hes a funny guy though. If you asked him to define himself as a person, I’m not convinced hockey player would be the first thing he says.
  18. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    This is nailing it on the head. When end you look at it on paper, it doesn’t look that good. That says to me that we don’t fully understand what’s happening. This is a good thing though. Prior to this season, it was an unknown unknown when it comes to dramatically rethinking and improving roster construction. We have at least now realized that it is a known unknown. We know that there are others ways to improve a roster without doing the same thing that we’ve doing for a generation now. Advantage goes to the franchise that can figure out the “new” formula.
  19. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    To me it’s a strong link vs weak link phenomenon. Vegas has no weak link. They come at you in waves with no readily identifiable weakness. Montreal is a strong link team by contrast where we have Price in net and Weber on D but also an Alzner etc. The other thing that has to be mentioned is that strong link teams probably have a polarized dressing room. Guys like Price and Weber get way more attention and maybe perks from mgmt then guys like Froese etc. That is to say when a golden knight walks into the dressing room he sees 21 other guys or so that are just like him, get treated the same way (with the exception of maybe MAF), and he has no problems buying in to Gallant’s system. Can’t see it being the same in other dressing rooms.
  20. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    Good analysis. Speed and skill all the way down the line. I remember back around 2014...I kinda thought that's how the Habs were going. Roll three fast, puck-moving, more or less interchangeable lines. No big stars to shut down, just roll wave after wave of good, smart players. Have Markov and Subban (and later Petry) moving the puck like crazy from the back end. And have Price anchoring it all. Somehow that whole concept, which I guess was never the actual plan, evaporated and left us with the garbage we now have.
  21. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    Whatthe vegas formula debunks is the idea that teams need certain types of players. That fourth liners and bottom.sixers are different types of players from.first liners. That you need grinders. No Just stick speed and skill on all four lines. Of.course not every player has the same speed and skill. But you have a choice between a speedy, skilled guy who maybe isnt top 6 but is tearing up.the ahl to put on the third or fourth line. Or the guy with no hands... but he hits a lot and is gritty? The traditional fourth liner? Take the speed and skill. Defence... get your puck movers.. your nate schmidt, shea theodore, etc to compliment the forwards. With vegas being so far under the cap (and using large chunks on jason garrison, mikhail grabovski, david clarkson) i dont think it is telling teams dont spend on top line talent. Absolutely you can spend on your stars. Just the guys you pay cheap. They have to be different types of guys. Cheap 4th line speed and skill (guys everyone else is overlooking. Its like two years ago the havs couldve taken a chris terry and given him bryan flynn or torrey mitchell's spor for example). You can still spend for your top.six talent and fill the holes. But get guys with speed who put the pppositions third and fourth line and bottom pair d on their heels and in there zone. Guys like Nigel Dawes shouldnt be shunted to.europe cause they arent tall enough, arent strong enough for the fourth line.
  22. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    I'm not a fan of the copy cat system. I like seeing the heavy teams compete against the fast. The stacked defense against the stacked offense. The very deep teams. Im not sure where Vegas fits in here, but I would say its depth. Like I said before though, when you look at them on paper, how deep are they? I guess you could look at the top 9 forwards and say that they have a 2A, 2B, 2C and a good 4th line. Or is it overall team balance, defensive mobility, speed and coaching?
  23. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    The thing is, if you look at the lineup, on paper, they are a horrible team. For me, that's what is so fun about it. PM Koivu described it pretty well. They have speed and they are well coached. To add to that, Fleury has been amazing (my MVP so far in these playoffs) and Karlson scoring with insane shooting percentages all year. The last two tell me the success will probably be short lived, but I want to enjoy it.
  24. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    I don’t think anyone wanted Vegas competing for a cup from the outset. Competing for a playoff spot and making the first or second round - that makes sense. What we’re seeing is a collective misunderstanding of the game by the entire league. Most teams try to sign big time players and then plug whatever is left over with journeyman/borderline players. The Vegas formula debunks what the entire league has been emulating for years. If you’re not re-evaluating your entire approach to roster construction right now, your GM is failing.
  25. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    Vegas is an excellent team, no question. But there is a big problem to my mind with an expansion team winning the Cup. Yes, McPhee made all the right moves, but the system was obviously overly generous with them. It's like the league over-compensated for the ridiculously crippling terms it imposed on previous expansion teams, like Ottawa. Of course all Bettman cares about is money so he's loving this; but it's not good for the integrity of the game.
  26. Alex Kovalev becomes an assistant coach in China

    sbhatt, I joke because I love. Kovalev was a wonderfully entertaining player, and I have a soft spot for guys that refuse to play the NHL Robot game.
  27. 2018 NHL Playoff Thread

    The more I watch Vegas the more impressed I am with how complete their game is. -You forecheck them hard, they will burn you with quick passes and speed -You stack up at the blueline, they will dump and chase with speed and tenacity on the boards -You have a good transition game? They cover each other's positions like I have never seen. Defense pinches? There is a forward covering the point. The Jets aggressive forecheck gave Nashville fits but Vegas pushes through easily. The speed of Vegas on every line is too much for any team so far to handle and they have bought in 100% to team play. I'll give a big kudos to Fleury as well, a goalie that I thought was never very good to begin with. He has been spectacular and he is dialed in, intense and on top of his game. It seems wrong for them to win the cup in their first year! But they are earning it big time.
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