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  1. 6 points
  2. 4 points
    When you have a forward group filled with young players who is going to be adding a guy who set a record for most goals ever at the usntdp and the iihf under 18s, the ohl playoff mvp, the qmjhl playoff scoring leader and Mem cup mvp, the wjc mvp, Not lines... just putting people into positions... Caufield - kk - suzuki Drouin - domi - gallagher Lehkonen- danault - ylonen Armia - Poehling - weal Plus long shot prospects evans, teasdale, ikonen, fonstad, mcshane, vejdemo, hillis .. gotta think at least one of that group comes through You can build a strong lineup out of that. Then the d is gonna add the second best whl d, the wjc best dman and more talent Romanov - juulsen Mete - brooks Kulak - fleury Harris Struble Plus weber in a leadership role will still be a decent d even if not a number one Price with the best college goalie. You have a strong group of players coming through. Let the habs keep building internally. I dont care what other teams do. Keep building that squad and you can get a contender out of it It doesnt have to be this year.
  3. 4 points
    I see lots of people demanding MB make more changes since he hasn't really improved the roster this much off-season. I'm confident MB is trying but I don't see a lot of good options. Signing Gardiner to a 3 or 4 year deal would be great but it seems clear that either Gardiner is too injured or that he is too wedded to Toronto or insisting on a long term deal. I don't want to overpay him just so we can say we improved this off-season. I'd rather go through another season like last year and wait for the kids to improve. I think the team is on a good track for the first time in many years. The best option might be to wait and plan to push for the cup in 2 or 3 years. We have the prospect pool and the cap space for this to be a viable approach. I also think that MB might make some deals in the next month with one (or more) or the teams struggling to deal with the cap.
  4. 4 points
    Seems like all of this should be moved to the Fire Bergevin thread. Every time the Rumour thread is bumped, I expect something interesting. Instead, it's more Bergevin and a race of the downvotes/upvotes.
  5. 4 points
    With respect, the context being missed here is this team has gone into a full blown retool and building through youth for over a year now, expecting to make the playoffs during such a transition is setting the bar at an unrealistically high level to promote the rhetoric that he is continually failing. MB has not been very good during his tenure as a whole, he has also not been nearly as terrible as some make him out to be, the truth, as usual, is somewhere between both biased parties of the argument. He mismanaged some assets and even an entire offseason, he has also surprisingly shown great poise and solid asset management and strategy since embarking on this retool, it has thus far been the beginning of a redemption story for him. If you are going to give the guy a chance to redeem himself from past mistakes, then you have to, at some point, put those mistakes in the past and judge him based on what he is doing while trying to redeem himself. I have little complaints since the retool started about him, with the exception of the current passive offseason, but I do understand the offseason is far from over and things can happen by training camp. All in all, what I am seeing is a team with a top 5 prospect pool in the league, and miles away from any kind of cap hell, those are his dues to collect, there is no other regime to give credit to, there is no one else responsible for this current situation. So while it is easy for some people to continually pile on the dog poop about his past blunders, those same people are seemingly nowhere to be found when it comes to giving an honest unbiased assessment of his retool management. While I think it is easy enough to see why they steer clear of any positive assessment and only jump in the fray when there is mud to fling around and dead horses to beat on, it doesn't make it right by any stretch.
  6. 4 points
    Oh crap, you mean i've been looking at this the wrong way the entire time?!?! It's just like golf and you need the lowest amount of points to be the winning?! I'll see myself out...
  7. 4 points
    I made my point. I would have fired him after 2017. They didnt. They kept him on. What hes done over the last two years tells me that hes moving in the right direction. If I feel things are going well now, I'm not going to short circuit that and replace him because of a move in 2015. GMs grow and mature and learn on the job. So do coaches. So do players. I dont think hes the same guy we hired in 2013 who had never been a GM before. Over his tenure hes made good moves and mistakes. His current trajectory tells me that hes learned from the mistakes. So I'm weighing what is happening now way more than I'm weighing what happened 4 years ago. And what I see is an organization building up their young talent and prospects.
  8. 4 points
    A player who has 53, 46, and 53 points in his last three seasons is not a third line player. Michael sergachev has not proven to be a number 1 d. He was on the third pair last season. Bergevin is Trading all the prospects? What? How? We have one of the best prospect pools in the league thanks to prospects and picks we have added in recent years. Let's stop the madness people. There are areas to criticize but when you say that Bergervin is comparable to Milbury or that Drouin is a third liner. You lose any and all credibility and your argument becomes moot.
  9. 3 points
    It is highly unlikely that Poehling will just step into a top-6 NHL C slot. And it is even more unlikely that he will outperform Domi's impressive 72 points. We have seen over and over and over that, apart from rare outliers like Price, Subban, and Gallagher - prospects hardly ever come in and make a big impact. (And hell, even Price and Gally crashed a couple of years in, before recovering; and Subban was benched for five games). And yet wave after wave of prospect comes up with all tbese unrealistic assumptions about what they might be able to do.We never learn. This post also illustrates what I mean about Domi being overlooked as a C. If I told you tomorrow that Poehling would become a 60-point C, folks would be clicking their heels. Meanwhile we have a 23-year-old 72-point C and quite a few people overlook this, or else talk about moving him to W for some reason. Domi's production is that of a legit #1C in the NHL. Let's internalize that, finally.
  10. 3 points
    I fear I might be at risk of moaning Cole Caufield's stat line during sex.
  11. 3 points
    Not much to talk about these days but man, what a great job Bergevin has done with this team. *goes to get popcorn*
  12. 3 points
    The 25th and 27th teams are closer to the cup than the 14th will EVER be
  13. 3 points
    Can we please stop with the notions that we have to poop the bed for years on end to become an instant contender, and that we have to trade players based on age regardless of where your team is in its building arc? It is seriously ridiculous to consider both of those things to be absolutes, when it comes to how to reach contender status. Did you see St.Louis or Boston bottom feeding for years during the last 5 to 7 years to get where they are today? Did they trade away all their veterans on the wrong side of their prime to achieve their current status? How about San Jose? How many seasons did they spend bottom feeding to acquire a contender during the last 5 to 7 seasons? How many veterans did they trade away in that time? There are several different ways to build a contending team, but ultimately a balance of good drafting, good trades to achieve roster balance, good contracts and cap management are the keys to getting there.
  14. 3 points
    About two years ago, or post-subban trade, I was all for firing Bergevin. I mean I had zero desire to hold onto him. That, then the Alzner signing, a teeeerrrible terrible prospect pool, and the constant need to sign CHaracter guys who couldn’t skate. I really didn’t like MB. Fast forward two years. The sting of the Subban trade has lessened, and it doesn’t seem as lopsided. He’s sent Alzner to the minors, the prospect pool is the best since pacioretty subban price and McDonaugh (and deeper) he seems to realize this league requires great skaters - MB has turned a page, and so have I. Im not saying I no longer criticize him, but I’m saying I recognize what he’s done recently, and if you ask me It’s a very good job. If the team regresses, I’ll change my mind, but right now I like the direction, so right now I like MB.
  15. 2 points
    Well, if by some miracle the Jets are (a) dumb enough to trade Laine and (b) dumb enough to prefer Drouin over Domi, why, we should be all over that like Ron Hextall on Chris Chelios.
  16. 2 points
    Nope. Max Domi is our best forward and finally fixed our centre problems, plays a solid game and is a guy you win with. Laine is a player you add to play with Domi. Josh Brook is our best defensive prospect and hopefully Weber’s replacement when the time comes. I’m not sure if I would do Domi for Laine straight up.
  17. 2 points
    In an effort to keep the rumour thread about rumours, I've split a lot of the talk from the last couple of weeks into here. Proceed (preferably without the same few up/downvoting simply because of who's posting and not the actual post quality...).
  18. 2 points
    You didn't answer the question. The question was... what team is perfect. The Blues had goaltending issues and was lucky that their fourth string guy from the start of the season played like a good goalie after injuries hit. They also don't have the star power that Pittsburgh, Washington, etc... have. Pittsburgh lacks defence. Toronto lacks defence. Tampa lost a number of defencemen and again their weakness is at the back end. San Jose might have the worst goaltending in the NHL. IF its not the worst, its bottom 3. Florida still lacks defensive depth. Vancouver lacks scoring depth, and trusts Markstrom as their number 1 goalie. I also don't think they have a number 1 defenceman. Every team has flaws. Did they work to improve? sure... but that doesn't make them perfect. Bergevin makes moves too. Last summer he addressed the centre issue. He also has greatly added to the prospect pool. This summer he added a much better backup goalie. He also upgraded Been to Chiarot. If the question is, does the GM make moves to improve his team? We've been over this... Bergevin has never been afraid to make moves, he makes as many moves as any GM in the NHL. If the question is, has the GM fixed every weakness? Then there is no team in the NHL where the GM has fixed every weakness. There is no perfect team.
  19. 2 points
    How many playoff misses will it take before MB defenders think he should be fired, I wonder? If we miss this season, does that do the trick? I don't see why Habs29's post has three downvotes. He is quite right that data requires context, and also quite right that - in the main - the longer MB has been GM, the worse the results have gotten. The overall uptick last year doesn't change the fact that the team still missed the playoffs, after all. If that's a fine season, then the bar is just too damned low around here. The argument that the talent pool is good and the organization is now trending the right direction makes some sense. But saying that is quite different from redeeming MB's body of work to this point, which would indeed have been completely unacceptable for any Habs' GM prior to Bergevin. We may like the look of the future, but it hasn't happened yet. Taken as a whole - looking at what actually has happened, in terms of results - MB's career has been mediocre at best.
  20. 2 points
    Yes, I also knew that without the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet shows without a doubt that the CH is clearly above average in the regular season but not as good in the playoffs A pet peace of mine is when someone claims something is true based on their opinion where data shows otherwise (e.g. climate change)
  21. 2 points
    The Devils have done quite a bit to improve this off season. I have not seen a lot of Gusev, but seems to be low return to VGK, petty much what the Habs got for Shaw.
  22. 2 points
    I do love our prospect pool, but I also loved the core we had (as I mentioned above)... Bergevin showed how inept he was with the handling of that group. The Habs are worse off with the subtraction of Shaw and the addition of Chiarot. Where is the direction? We all get giddy on free agent days or in year's past deadline days, only to be disappointed once again. In 2017, our g.m went out and traded for Martinsen, Ott, and Dwight King( none of which play in the nhl anymore ), when the only real missing piece this team needed was a top 6 forward, that could bury the puck, from time to time At that very moment, I knew this g.m had no clue what he was doing. Keep eating the bread though; you guys are paying for Bergevin's hypnotizing, tailored fit suits.
  23. 2 points
    So any rumours out there?
  24. 1 point
    Yeah, much as I love Domi, Laine is a potential superstar. You make that deal.
  25. 1 point
    I sat in aa white once year. It was good value. You could see the whole game. I only go to one or two games a year so I like premium seats as a rule.
  26. 1 point
    It will also be one of the first to sell out. Youll need to get lucky and be one of the first granted access from the virtual waiting room
  27. 1 point
    At least in Toronto, a Leafs-Habs game will always be one of the most expensive tickets.
  28. 1 point
    The whole team didnt have career years. Prices year was below his career average. Weber was hurt half the year. Lehkonen couldnt score despite all the chances. Mete couldnt score at all. Drouin went 6 weeks with one game where he scored points Byron fought injuries. Armia can do more. Then lets look at career years Ok tatar will regress. I buy that. Danault is 26 and got better every year. Hes in his prime. Its not crazy to think 50 points is repeatable. Gallagher has 30 goals two straight years no reason its not repeatable. Domi is 24. Why is his best year not repeatable. Hes young enough he could be even better as hes also going into his prime. Its not crazy to see him put up 65 even if he regresses a little. Kk had a career year but its also a rookie year. He should keep getting better too. He can make up some points others lose. These guys all had "career years" with a power play that was 31st in the NHL. If the pp is 20th... that's a lot more goals and makes up for any drop at ES from.some career years not being repeated. Its not crazy to think the PP should score a few more. Just like saying that a guy on a career year will regress to the mean... so should the pp. They dont even have to be a good PP... they can still be bottom 3rd of the league and score way more than they did as the 31st pp.
  29. 1 point
    Name your charity and ill send you the receipt tomorrow. Dm me your name if you want and ill do the donation in your name. Honestly forgot i had one with you too. I did give $100 to wounded warriors for chris. Ill do $100 here too cause i feel bad about forgetting. Wont get a better interest rate than that.
  30. 1 point
    Good point about the backup...but then again Kinkaid's numbers were so atrocious last year that I am not too excited about him. You're right about the fine margins. Fair point. Then again, we can flip that point around. The team missed by two points - a healthy and non-regressed Weber will make up the gap, right? Well, maybe not. What if Gallagher gets hurt? Or Domi? My point here is just to say that, rather than settle for marginal improvement (if we have even that), we gave ourselves a bigger margin of error. Instead we are basically standing pat with a bubble team and hoping the breaks go our way this time around. Fundamentally, I do not understand why fans are satisfied with that. I'm being honest here. I just don't get it. Now if someone wants to reiterate the point that the offseason isn't over yet, more could still happen - hey, I agree. But as of right now, I see no reason to be particularly excited or especially optimistic. We have a bubble team just like last year! Yaaaaaaaaay!
  31. 1 point
    So to clarify.. screwing around in the middle of summer... putting a line up together suggesting with no more signings and no more trades what the heck are biggest Hope's and dreams for next season could actually be.. I suggest imagining/wish/ hope/ dream that Poehling could impress SO much that he could merit a spot high in the line up and you all are flipping out and changing everything around like I'm saying this is a done deal! FFS you tell me how this team is improving from within then? Without saying I dont want Domi moving after having his best season to date... but suggesting no alternative hope to improving the opening day line up. Byron Weal Armia lehkonan on Domi's RW to replace shaw? YA that's a real big dream for success!! Ok, if you said Suzuki impressing and playing on Domi's wing I could share that dream. Sorry for not thinking Max Domi at 24yrs old CAN ONLY score 70 points from C and he'll be our saviour at #1C for life... Meanwhile he put up 52 in his rookie season on a shi$ty a$S team playing wing. (I thought rookies cant contribute) -Was a dynamo at the WJC at wing -Put up 100+ points in London on wing Is getting 20 more points then his rookie season 3 seasons later so impressive?considering he had 2 stalled seasons with a wrist injury. (Gallagher all over again) Gimmie a break what a joke! Can anyone quote anywhere that someone said Poehling was putting up 70 points next year? But to think Domi cant get 70 points next year with a good C on the wing is just as asinine as any other hope dream someone has. Hate to break the news but going into next season our forward depth is at C. But let's hope for Jason freakin Pominville on PTO to take us to the next level and save the day!
  32. 1 point
    It’s nice to think that Poehling could be a 1C, but it’s not likely—and it should not be a problem for us as we have Domi now and Kotkaniemi soon enough. And it’s extremely rare for prospects to jump directly into the first or second line on any team in their first season.
  33. 1 point
    Kk has a much higher ceiling and played 3c all year. You can hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills first. Poeling may not even make the team. I dont think it's pessimistic to think that if he does make it he will be protected and get 4th line minutes.
  34. 1 point
    Poehling might grow into a top-6 C. It's possible given the lift-off that his offensive game displayed in the minors, after he was drafted as more of a two-way guy. What I'm skeptical about is that he will step in and be a #2C next season, his rookie year. And even in the highly unlikely event that he plays like a top-6 FW consistently, it is probably more realistic that *he* would be the guy placed on the wing next to Domi, rather than the other way around. Here's another way to put it: Poehling is 99% guaranteed NOT to be a better player, or better C, than Max Domi next season. My general attitude can be summed up as follows. Rookies rarely step in and make a consistent impact. That's just reality. And that's why I generally don't get too excited about what they will add to the roster, in that first season. Call me a pessimist all you want, but the list of Habs rookies/prospects that people got all excited about is practically endless - and of all of them, only a small handful actually bucked the odds and had an immediate impact. (Indeed, most of them amounted to nothing or relatively little as NHL players in general, never mind as rookies).
  35. 1 point
    I don't want to move Domi back to wing. He had his best season, BY FAR, at centre. Why move him off that?
  36. 1 point
    PTOs are literally no risk The fact is that if these guys are as old and washed up as Don claims then the kids will easily beat them in camp. If the kids don't beat them out, then the kids aren't ready and they have something more to give.
  37. 1 point
    No thanks, let him retire. He was 13th in icetime of Sabres forwards and Habs really dont need another Ott, Semin or Hemsky.
  38. 1 point
    Shattenkirk to Tampa Bay, one year and $1.75MM. That's a really nice pickup for them although they may have to go make another cap dump trade unless they force Point onto a bridge deal. They're also at 49 contracts with Point (and Adam Erne) to re-sign so they'll have to trade a player or two to get into contract compliance as well.
  39. 1 point
    https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/when-it-comes-to-caufield-there-s-no-such-thing-as-a-bad-angle-shot~1745579 What else can you say ....
  40. 1 point
    You always allow an AGM to interview for a GM job, so long as its off-season and doesn't effect the team right now. Its just being fair to your employee... if he can get a promotion, you let him go. If you become the team that doesn't do this, you then will have a hard time getting good talent going forward cause if they have a choice between you and someone else, they will go with the team that wouldn't hold back their career.
  41. 1 point
    What MB has done over the last 3 seasons is compile many draft picks and prospects and refused to deal prospects/ picks for immediate help. He has been saying for years he wont mortgage the future for a top C and he would get that player when available in the draft. fast forward to Kotkaniemi and Poehling and Evans etc. He did finally shell out money on the "top" UFA D man that off season and it completly back fired in Alzner after Markov walked. He's always been a penny pincher for the most mart in UFA market and has managed the cap well. Keep in mind, we lost radulov and markov which set us back two seasons ago. But, if those 2 were in fact signed we probably dont have kotkaniemi, Caufield, Tatar, Suzuki, struble today...
  42. 1 point
    You have to be kidding me, there's a perfect team? STOP THE MADNESS It's becoming the theme of the 2019 offseason
  43. 1 point
    Fair enough, opinion + evidence is better than opinion alone
  44. 1 point
    Sure, I agree - the offseason isn't over. But if the appropriate response to what we've seen so far probably should not be panic and hysteria, nor should it be complacency, let alone praise for Bergevin (whose track record does little to inspire confidence). Instead it should probably be a degree of unease or restlessness: when/how is he going to make this team better?? So far, crickets...and let's keep in mind what a lot of folks on this site seem to forget, which is that the status quo (a non-playoff team) is utterly unacceptable.
  45. 1 point
    I’m glad I’m not as pessimistic and sour as you. That would be rough.
  46. 1 point
    It's more than just extra picks. Its solid picks in poehling at 25th. It's a trade for suzuki from pacioretty. 7th rounders like primeau developping. Caufield isnt an extra pick. It's taking kotkaniemi when most wouldnt have. Its brook and romanov and fleury.
  47. 1 point
    The pacioretty trade made tons of sense on the day it was made. The domi trade many questioned including me. I was wrong it worked. He gets credit for the result not for what we thought of the trade on the day it was made. Whether it was a headscratcher or not is irrelevant. He gets credit for the move today. Just like he gets blame if a good looking trade goes bad.
  48. 1 point
    This is an over the top statement. Calling him mediocre is a fair assessment, but milbery snow level ineptitude is radical.
  49. 1 point
    Sean Gordon made a comment on Bergevin on his alternative-history analysis of Bergevin's trading record in the Athletic yesterday: So at least he has a different view of Bergevin's willingness to take risks.
  50. 1 point
    Come on man.... Using the Leafs in any conversation about being ok with the cap right now is ludicrous, they have had to reshape their roster in a significant way to try to get around their cap issues, have a handful of important expiring contracts next summer that will be nearly impossible to hold onto. They have their best player without a contract and are needing to scrounge every last penny of cap space to even attempt to facilitate that signing.
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