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Thanks for the thread Will. On my way to the Staples Center as we speak. 14 rows from the ice. I've been meaning to try and change our luck by wearing my new Weber jersey during a Habs game but keep forgetting. No excuses today.

Yes. Pretty much since Corey forced the chelios trade to increase the québécois content. We were lucky to win another cup (most teams don’t recover from a horrible trade like that - we had a lot of depth than - unlike now when we have dumped Subban and Markov in successive years). Corey’s next move led to the dark ages and that’s the same vibe I get under MB and the ball-less Molson.

Seven games into 16-17: 6-0-0-1 Seven games into 17-18: 1-5-0-1 But let's look at something else. Canadiens record in 2017 including 2016-2017 season, 2017 playoffs, and 2017-2018 season: 28-26-0-5 So what happened in 2017? What changed? One could say Therrien being fired and Julien coming in, but that's a little silly. This was a problem prior to the firing of Therrien. We could look at the first 15 games of the Habs in 2016-2017 (13-1-0-1) as an aberration that was never to be repeated, but maybe that's unfair. The Habs started strong in 15-16 as well (18-4-0-3 in their first 25) only for things to collapse and collapse hard. I keep reminding people they were still in a good playoff spot when 2015 was ending, but nobody cares about that. They just care they were already on their way down and nothing was to be done. So how does the 2016 calendar year compare to 2017? 2016 (2015-16 season, 2016-2017 season): 39-32-0-9 in 80 games 2017 (2016-2017 season, 2017 playoffs, 2017-2018 season): 28-26-0-5 in 59 games Maybe 21 games and 6 of them being playoffs makes a big difference, but it gets really interesting when the records look like they are going in the same direction. For those curious 2015 (2014-15 season, 2015 playoffs, 2015-2016 season): 53-31-0-12 in 96 games. So whatever was working with this team in 2015 hasn't worked in 2016, and has got worse in 2017. I don't have all the answers, but that tells me the team is rotting to the core, and the players replaced haven't been better than the ones they replaced for the most part. And that all falls upon one man: Marc Bergevin.

I like the video highlights they just ran, showing lots of Habs players scoring lots of goals in the playoffs...was so frickin long ago.

I predict Charles Hudon gets his first goal in the NHL tonight. Kid is hungry!

There is the goal. Does it wake him up with a bit more confidence?

For the record.... I downvoted him ONCE for saying it was three years of regression out of Galchenyuk... which is not true and a made up fact. I don't like made up facts. So yeah, I downvoted that. I also called it out. I then noticed he was downvoting everyone. Not just me, repeatedly, but CC, Rev-G, Don, and others in this thread. It was at that point i made a number of downvotes cause I felt that was being unfair to do to others.

Again, it was only after you were downvoting every single person in the thread that I went back and got more of your posts. I did that to make a point when you were hitting everyone. I would have been more than willing to remove them if you understood. Instead, I see you are still downvoting all of my posts even after this was supposed to be over though.

I have been reading a lot about the poor start.. well.. let's start with the plan... is there one? Habs fans say rebuild but you can't with high salaried veterans and a stud goalie. My suggestion would be to send the young players down for a year..let them develop and learn. Things a way to easy from my perspective. Let's look at defense.. you can't win with a 19 yr old 5ft10 kid back there., sure he can skate and it's a Cinderella story but come on is this the best we have? METE should be sent down and have should trade for an experienced defenceman who can hit,skate and score not a 19 year old who belongs in the minors and with Canadian Jr team. Habs are going to ruin him. You with blow it all up or you have a minestrone soup and right now habs are so disconnected and have no identity. Trade the duds and rebuild the right way one piece at a time.