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  1. The bottom line is no one got played. Bergevin tried to get a player with a front loaded offer sheet knowing full well that there was a good possibility the offer could be matched. He risked nothing in making the offer. It may have been unlikely to work, but it was a low-risk, high reward play if it did. The player was content to sign cause Carolina was lowballing him, and would not offer any signing bonus. Signing bonus makes the contract essentially lockout proof and buyout proof. Aho knew it meant either moving to Montreal or staying in Carolina. He wanted to move (sent his agent to lobby for that), but was comfortable staying too. If he wasn't comfortable in either spot, he would have demanded a trade instead of signing an offer sheet. Carolina matched the offer, paying the player more than they intended to, but still not so much that it was worth losing him. it was business... no one got played... they all used the CBA in the way it was intended to be used. In order to get played, you have to be scammed out of something... no one was scammed out of anything.
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  2. Aho is the only player on the entire Carolina roster to have any signing bonus money on his contract. Just saying. The idea that they could test the Carolina owner with signing bonus money wasn't a bad one. It was never guaranteed to work but was very much, low-risk as there was nothing to lose here.
    3 points
  3. What Brendan Kelly does NOT know about hockey could fill the Bell Centre and half the other rinks in the league. He is a doom and gloom hack who never has anything good to say about Les Canadiens. It is a sad commentary on the Gazette that they have gone from writers like Michael Faber and Red Fisher to a non - expert like this one.
    2 points
  4. Why do we specifically need a "UFA forward" -- who would likely be overpaid anyway relative to the value he brings?
    1 point
  5. I just posting the same in another thread. I agree that MB's shopping for the summer is probably done, and that he will probably wait for the cap-crunch at the end of training camp to land the players he is missing: probably through a trade. I am curious to see how cousins fits-in. He may make Lekhonen available for a trade
    1 point
  6. You dont have to lose something to get played. Two parties can be played against each other to extract the best deal from one of the 2 parties.....in this case one party loses nothing but their best intentions were played upon. Maybe 'used' would be a better word than 'played' to describe Bergevin in this situation. Maybe it can be argued that Bergevin lost. His intention was to win Aho's rights. He didnt win Aho's rights so therefore he lost. You can argue Waddell lost too since he has to pay more for an asset than he should have otherwise. Regardless of what's been said in the media either way, I honestly believe Bergevin was used by Aho's camp to maximize the return from Carolina. I don't believe Aho ever wanted to play more in Monteal than he did Carolina. BUT was willing to go to Montreal if Carolina was not willing to sign the offer sheet. Yes its absolutely just business. And in business it's all about leverage and Bergevin was 'used/played' as leverage by the Aho camp.
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  7. off topic... can we get a "lost the day" for this fury of down votes?
    1 point
  8. why wouldn't the kids want get paid? some of these kids are better then the old heads. the career of a pro athlete is short, no? Teams have very little loyalty towards injured players. seems like good reasons to get paid, no? helps live rich too
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  9. I don't think I've ever seen a single positive article from that guy. I'm sure he gets a lot of clicks, though.
    1 point
  10. Yes ... it appears that Aho's agent was Mika Rautakallio, who does represent Armia and Lehkonen as well as a slew of other Finns, but that he has now switched to Gerry Johannson. Incidentally, Mika is the son of Pekka Rautakallio, a longtime Assat star and one of the first Finns to play in the NHL (Atlanta Flames, then Calgary Flames, 1979-1982).
    1 point
  11. Johannson (Aho's agent) reps Carey Price, Brendan Gallagher and Brett Kulak.
    1 point
  12. And really, have you seen his biceps??? No one thinks he's weak!
    1 point
  13. Is this the weak-ass narrative being peddled? Jesus christ.
    1 point
  14. The first signing bonus is due five days after the offer sheet is matched so if Dundon needs time to move money around to free it up to pay the bonus, it makes sense.
    1 point
  15. Armia and Lehkonen filing are both for contract negotiations. Hudon filing is literally just another bullet in his, "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TRADE ME!" gun.
    1 point
  16. Personality I think Aho's agent played Bergevin real bad. Aho's agent wanted a 5 year deal so his client can hit UFA status at a good age, Carolina didn't want that which was why they couldn't come to an agreement. So his agent was smart and used the offer sheet to get a great deal for Aho.
    1 point
  17. You didn't address why the Agent is pushing in the media for a Montreal move, after the offer sheet is signed, if he never wanted to leave. That doesn't make any sense in this narrative you have constructed where it was a giant plan to not leave. If the whole idea is to sucker Bergevin, and hope Carolina matches, and not leave, as you claimed.... why is his agent doing a media tour after signing the offer sheet saying basically, we hope Carolina doesn't match?
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  18. The narrative is simple. Aho has next to no leverage. Carolina is lowballing him. Aho agents Johansson and Raautakallio (also represents Armia and Lehkonen) convince Bergevin to offer sheet him, giving all the leverage to Aho now. Aho doesnt want to leave Carolina. He'd be happy anywhere, Montreal included, for $8.5 million per season all front loaded. But Montreal was probably the only team cap wise at that time that they could have used as leverage and Bergevin fell for it. Aho never wanted to leave. He just wanted to get paid and his agents got him paid. And if you think there is anymore or less to it than that then I dont know what to tell you. This is the new NHL. The young kids want to get paid and agents are working hard to figure out ways to make it happen.
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  19. Funny thing about that too. After he signed the offer sheet, it was johansson in the media basically telling everyone that Aho wanted to go to Montreal and implying that they didnt want the Canes to match https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1793572 Its only after the Canes matched that this story of wanting to stay in carolina all along comes out. You can say thats part of playing the gm, but how? When this interview is given, the offer sheet is already signed. The deal is done. The only decision left is for carolina to match or not. Why is the agent so adamant that he wants to go to Montreal if the entire plan was just for carolina to match and go back. The whole narrative you are pushing doesnt make a lot of sense given the facts.
    0 points
  20. Every news story, every insider, has said that gerry johansson negotiated the deal. Every one. Maybe he has an agency handling endorsements for him in Finland. But its pretty clear who has been doing his nhl contract work. Its johannson, who also reps Point. As well as a number of other habs.
    0 points
  21. And 7 days is long enough for a person with dough like that but I think Dundon kinda man that keep his cheddar in boxes, he give me the impression money in 1 box stay in that shoe box. But idk maybe you and errbobby else right and this is just a stall/piss off ploy. I hope man broke like me, lollll EDIT: lollll some1 downvoted me and doesn't know if i have dough, hahahahaahahaaha Ima part of the down voted folks hahahaahaahaaha
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  22. His PR team is spinning the situation. If you want to believe that's 100% the truth and no PR spin... that's your choice.. but hey, I've got some great real estate in Brooklyn and Florida that I'd also like to sell you. Also some great beachfront property in Arizona.
    0 points
  23. I agree. We might see another one this month yet.
    0 points
  24. I think its just the opposite. I think we haven't seen an offer sheet in 6 years. I doubt we wait 6 years for the next one.
    0 points
  25. Bergevin got suckered? Please explain to me what Bergevin lost?
    0 points
  26. Actually it's more likely to help with negotiations with Lehkonen and Armia who hold the same Finnish player agent as Aho....
    -1 points
  27. I dont think it makes him look weak. Maybe naive or ignorant? Hes the 1st GM to get suckered by an agent to maximize another teams players (RFA) salary through the offer sheet system.
    -1 points
  28. Tampa isnt trying to low ball Point. As well Montreal has to drastically pay more for Point than Tampa to offset taxes.
    -1 points
  29. I actually think some a are pretty happy with that offer sheet, GMs now have a practical contract they can point too when they negotiate with there own RFAs. Obviously Carolina isn’t too happy about it but oh well.
    -1 points
  30. I think there are very few GMs, inwardly, happy with that offer sheet. Maybe Dubas with respect to Marner?? Every team attempts keep RFA contracts as low as possible due to them having less leverage. Bergevin took away Carolina's leverage on Aho and now Carolina has to pay way more than it did before the offer sheet. I believe it'll be years before you see the next offer sheet. Or theyll be for marginal players...
    -1 points
  31. He cannot be traded for a year. What is he gonna say?
    -1 points
  32. It's not what Bergevin lost. It's what 31 teams lost with regards to their RFA's...a bit of leverage....though I think everyone learned a lesson and you wont be seeing offer sheets anytime soon (free elite players)
    -1 points
  33. He said everything you need to hear. He had limited leverage. His best shot was convincing Bergevin to offer sheet him
    -1 points
  34. Does this make Bergevin look weak to the rest of the GM's? The way he got played?
    -2 points
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