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It happened. It actually happened Mete scores!!!!!!!

Mete!!!!!!

Yes, my mistake.

Sergachev wasnt a top prospect? Offering up numerous draft picks for Oho? If you know any actual specifics to back up what you say, i would like to hear them. Exactly what deals for top prospects has Bergevin been afraid of?

Yes, the way Petry has gotten better and better - hitting another level to his game at ages 30 and 31 - is something we don't see too often. He was always a quality player, but it took him about nine seasons as a regular to really hit his peak. Or maybe CJ's coaching has something to do with it. Either way, he's beating the odds for sure.

I think its time to do a Mete plus a 1st rounder for a legit lefty to play with Weber. The youngsters are getting big contacts earlier these days, so cap crunch is coming. I think MB needs to create a window at this point. Not wait for it. The offensive depth of this team is fantastic. The young call up depth at forward is very good. Add to that Price Weber and Petry, and I really think it's time to seek a trade and potentially give up some picks, prospects, players to do it. It annoys me that this won't happen because the draft is in Montreal.

Kulak and Petry a top pair, come on. That only further exemplifies this team's deficiency on defense... Sorry, I forgot you're above down voting. You're only into handing them out like candy on Halloween

The question is how do you judge Bergevin. I've long said that coaches, GMs, scouts, etc... these people develop over the course of their careers just like players do. What Bergevin did earlier in his career is a lot less relevant to my evaluation of him than what he's done in the last 24 months. And when we look at that time frame, basically from when we all knew the 2017-18 team was flawed and needed to be fixed until know, he's done a darn good job with his moves; both building up the main roster and the prospect pool at the same time. Those recent results are encouraging and enough for me to want to see how he finishes the job. I made no secret that I wanted him fired two years ago, but he's changed my opinion of his work since that time.

Maybe dont complain about votes and people wont downvote as often. Complaining and showing that it makes you mad is a sure way to encourage people to keep doing it. But besides that... who cares? They are imaginary numbers that mean nothing. You cant trade in your points for anything. They dont get redeemed for anything. They arent airmiles or visa points or some shit. They are just figments of your imagination. I get downvoted all the time. Do you think i care? Nope... cause it means nothing.

The imaginary deals, Don.

So his successes are accidents, and his lack of interest in trading away picks and prospects during an ownership mandated retool/rebuild is a flaw... Solid argument here, guys, I don't know why we ever moved on with our lives.

LD a joke? I don't think so. Kulak is solid, Mete is still very young but improving. But the question is whether we can make do with three #2/#3 defencemen on the left side, without a real #1 LD, similar to how Julien has four fairly equal lines. My bigger worry at the moment is actually on the other side -- when will Weber be back to his normal self? If he's back to rock-solid, those first two pairs are quite workable.

Yeah but is he willing to move a prospect with that pick to get a deal done? I don't think so, which is why we haven't seen any trades.

I think this is one of those games that the result doesn't match the performance. Minus the first 5 minutes where both teams were feeling each other out. The habs were the better team I thought for ALL but 3/4 minutes of that game and TB scored 3 goals in that span. Goal 1 was scored in the middle of the top slot. Although Coburn (a dman) does circle back to the point, he was not Webers man. Maybe it was Webers fault as he should of laid down and blocked the rising shot that was deflected by drouin stick... sarcasm Goal 2 on the PP. Weber goes to help Lehkonan in the corner. Lehk falls down loses the battle in the corner and they rotate the puck to the point and across to stamkos... Maybe Weber should of magically got out of the corner to get to Stamkos and his sweet spot before he fires top corner. Sarcasm Goal 3 was a bad line change and on top of that TB's first pass out of zone connects all the way to our blue line where Weber does make it into position coming from the bench. He keeps his player wide and forces a cross ice pass on a 3 on 2 where Mete doesn't step up on the shot and is backing up with a 3rd TB player streaking/ splitting the 2 defencemen going to the net. Weber had 2 players there and neither scored as he collapsed to the net to get the streaking player. Maybe Weber should of brought a longer stick and intercept that cross ice pass on the 3on2 The point this was one the teams best defensive performances of the season. We needed to be better on D and we were exactly that. With that said, you cant give up the middle of the ice like that and not expect to get punished by a lethal finishing team like TB. And a bad line change after giving up 2 goals in a minute? UNACCEPTABLE! Weber needs to better for sure on the season overall! The whole team does though! But tonight, none of those 3 goals are related to his play on the night. As another note, we have all agreed that he needs help on the first pair. Of course, hes gonna slow down going into the tail end of his career. It's a inevitable. BUT, are we really blaming Weber for 3 critical team errors made in a span of 4 minutes that cost us against one of the most lethal OFF in hockey. And none were actually his errors? If so, this going to be one helluva long season on this thread.

Its been 5 games... 4 of which, yes, showed these problems. Last season this defence did a very good job in their own end. I think we should give Julien a little time to see if he can get them back to that level. Three of those four werent issues.last year (the pp was). That said we have four pp goals in five games so far so maybe even the fourth can be solved. If you look around the league now... most teams are having a forward quarterback the powerplay anyways so its not a huge issue if we run our pp with 4 forwards and one of weber and petry on each unit. Yes mete has struggled in the 4 games. He also struggled at the start of last season but was excellent after his week and a half in the AHL. There is no reason he cant get back to last years level of play. While its true that the D needs a top pair LHD to be a cup contender. It can still be a playoff team with that hole unfilled. Playoff teams arent perfect. They have holes.

I'm pretty sure I know which two users it is... the two who complain more about downvotes than anyone else. That said, I truly don't care. Its like whose line is it anyway... the points are made up and mean nothing. If i could redeem them for something it might be different.

There has not been any trades because no one in the NHL is making trades right now. We have a couple of deals where guys cleared waivers and then got traded, but we have not had one significant trade in the NHL this season. Not one. There is a reason for that and its the same thing that happens every year. Big trades never happen this early in the season. Its usually around American Thanksgiving that trading season opens. That said, we've seen a couple that are done a week or two before that, so maybe you can look at the second week of November instead of all the way to Thanksgiving, but don't expect anything to happen now.

I am not talking about now, talking about last 2 years.

Bergevin has made more trades than any other GM in the last two years. Being afraid to make trades isnt a criticism that is fair imo. Oh and with the domi, tatar, drouin, etc... trades its not like they are all small either.

Wow just wow. I beat you you were one of those people that didn't like the Galchenyuk trade. I didn't like it base on the fact he gave up one problem for the same problem and didn't address anything in that trade. But it turned out in his favor, but don't go on saying he knew what he was doing. He got lucky. The Tatar trade he just wanted Suzuki. So again didn't go out and say he knew what he was doing when he took Tatar. And again since people don't seem to understand last time he traded a top prospect it was for Drouin. We all know how he got eaten alive for that trade and He hasn't been willing to trade a top prospect since.

Sergachev was our top offensive Defensemen in our prospect pool at the time, so yeah he was a top prospect.

Its not being afraid to make a trade, its being afraid to make a trade for a top player because he doesn't want to give up top prospects to get those type of players. Oh and as good as Domi has been he got lucky on that trade. Also Tatar was a throw in he didn't even want him so don't give him full credit on that.

1) Unless you were in the room, and inside Bergevin's head, how do you know he didn't want Tatar. 2) How do you know what the scouting report was on Domi and whether the team saw something in Domi's 20 games at C with Arizona that showed them he was a better C than Galchenyuk? I didn't like the trade when it was made (but love it now). I'm not willing to say it was luck though. Teams do a lot of work before they make trades and obviously they saw something in Domi and his ability to play in the middle, seeing as he was made a centre from the very start of training camp on his first day here. 3) What trades were available that he could have moved a prospect for? Which ones should he have done? Did you want him to trade Kotkaniemi? Suzuki? Romanov? Seriously, your Bergevin hate fest is tiring. If you actually made good points like some here have that would be one thing, but this is just asinine.