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  1. 6 points
    Subban (You did say Who SHOULD be Captain? Not who could be captain?)
  2. 6 points
  3. 4 points
    Ah, too bad zero isn't an option.
  4. 4 points
    This discussion is ridiculous. Now we're being told that the 2014 or 2015 teams were "28th overall teams" - a bizarre conflation of basic realities in order to save some kind of pathetic and desperate narrative that MB is a good GM. How about this. HE TURNED A TEAM THAT CAME WITHIN TWO GAMES OF THE FINALS (2014) AND FINISHED 2ND OVERALL (2015) into the living hunk of festering shit you see today. That's what his incredible leadership has brought us. He DID have a team on the cusp of true contention. The results proved this. Its key core pieces (all inherited) were young. Pleks and Markov were aging and anyone could see they would need replacing within 2-3 years. HE dismantled it for no reason that survives rational scrutiny. HE failed to add to the good core that was there. HE failed to plan to replace the aging veterans that obviously needed replacing. His big "solution" (trading Subban) solved ZERO actual problems and made the team older and worse. This team is garbage right now for one reason and one reason only: Marc Bergevin. In the hands of a competent GM, the Subban/Patches/Price core would be in the middle of its prime Cup window. Right frigging now. Has he learned from his mistakes and is now building a team properly? Hey, the next few years will tell that tale. But wheezing on about how the team was always bad, or how finishing 28th was all part of his genius master plan, is simply preposterous.
  5. 4 points
    If the GM has a core that comes within two games of the Finals, it's HIS job to elevate that core, not blow it up.
  6. 4 points
    Teams don't trade #1s... You were never getting Cody Glass, you were never getting Casey Mittelstadt, You were never getting Elias Pettersson. These are guys I would look at as 1As. They were never the guys we discussed at the deadline either. Suzuki is in the same class as the guys we talked about at the deadline.... Robert Thomas was in the 20s... Gabe Vilardi was in the 20s.... Sam Steel is in the 30s....Morgan Frost is in this area.... These are the guys I was looking at back in those trade deadline posts, and its exactly the kind of guy that we got. I never thought we'd hit the surefire #1 C with pacioretty. Teams just don't trade those, and if they do, its not for a winger.
  7. 4 points
    Glad to hear you and Max's physiotherapist's hand has healed!
  8. 4 points
    Just walked passed Max Domi in Toronto. I circled back and wished him a good season, "go habs." He thanked me and complimented my beard. Nice encounter, 8/10, would recommend.
  9. 3 points
    It always boggles my mind when fighters feel the need to fight in the preseason. Deslauriers is well-established as a fighter; he doesn't need to prove that part of his game to anyone so why engage with a minor league guy?
  10. 3 points
    While I agree that having nothing but Bergevin can be tiresome (there’s not much else at the moment) aren’t passive aggressive insults more detrimental to the forum than that? No matter what side you’re on in this discussion I’m pretty sure we’re all capable of steering away from it. The truth of the matter is that if the Habs were a powerhouse right now, we’d all be hunky dory, but they aren’t. So we’re boiling over a little as a fan base. I don’t think it’s really each other we’re mad at, it’s the the state of the team - and the state of the team is a result of the manager, so here we are. The reason you’re only seeing MB bashing is because there’s next to nothing new happening. When the season starts, I’m sure we’ll have a lot more to talk about. So the constant MB bashing will be just one of many topics.
  11. 3 points
    The sky has already fallen, my friend. The team is a piece of crap. And with a good GM, it would not be so.
  12. 3 points
    Our billet kid is heading up to Calgary for the Hitmen training camp this weekend. Good kid, and he's fitting in well. They make 15 year old kids big now. He's 5'11", and there are a couple of kids over 6' on his team. When I was 15, I think I was 5'6 or so...as fate would have it, I had my growth spurt AFTER high school. He's been on the ice with the squirt kids at a couple of practice sessions, as his coach ran a "graduating to squirt" weekend camp this summer. Speaking of squirts, things are about to get busy as my son tries out for a competitve team. The "skills and drills" as they call it is a solid two weeks of skating. He's already surpassed my expectation of him, so I just hope he continues to have fun out there. He was on a dominant team last year, so very few losses to deal with (they lost 4 out of 48 games), so it'll be interesting to see how he deals with adversity this year.
  13. 2 points
    Thanks, dlbalr. I'm neutral on this as a pure hockey move, but he's certainly qualified and I love Captain Kirk for sentimental reasons, so - hooray!
  14. 2 points
    His article says it all.. total character.. the right type of character this team needs. Without reading into it. https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/nhl-max-pacioretty-were-going-to-vegas This team has very little identity left and first time ever..i have been a Habs fan since I was 2 years old. Even when I started kindergarten in Toronto I wore a Montreal jersey. And as an 11 year old in Edmonton. Not wanting to see Oilers win the cup. As I always was hoping was the Canadiens. When the team won in 1986 I gave it to my friends in Edmonton. Always true Montreal fan ever since I can remember. And this being first year I have lost a lot of that passion for the team. Because most important the way this team and MB treats the players that have put in their time and other than Plekanec.. all are put aside and as max on the above article says..looks forward to the enthusiasm and excitement of a new team. The excitement that the Habs should create to foster in their own team. NOW THAT IS CHARACTER MB has no business being the GM of a once CLASS and ICONIC franchise.
  15. 2 points
    What kind of depth at center do you think the Habs have to put 3 of them on one line?!?
  16. 2 points
    Trade the centre you refuse to play at centre for a winger you decide to turn into a centre. That trade is the gift that keeps on giving.
  17. 2 points
    As weak as this roster is, I'm still happy hockey is back That little thrill never goes away.
  18. 2 points
    Such hyperbole. We have 15,000 wingers.
  19. 2 points
  20. 2 points
    Now this is how you announce a contract extension: Seguin gets eight years with a $9.85M cap hit.
  21. 2 points
    Jesus Christ...do your arms get tired from working those pom-poms as you play cheerleader for Bergevin?
  22. 2 points
    They weren't a 28th place team in 2014, they were 2 wins away from a Cup final. It was obvious then, when David Desharnais was the first line centre, what was needed. He didn't get it done and the team has aged and the window closed in the mean time. Seems to me that Buffalo found a #1 centre, heck they might have 2 of them now. Toronto has 2 Ottawa made their deal to get a top centre. San Jose has had Couture, Thornton and Pavelski. St. Louis is deep down the middle now. Vancouver is hoping Elias Pettersson is going to be a number 1. Those teams weren't starting with what Bergevin was given in 2012 - A top veteran defenceman in Markov - a young kid who would win the Norris Trophy. - a winger who just had his first of 5, 30 goal seasons. - A reliable 2-way centre in his prime, in Plekanec. - a captain who could still score 20. - an ageing LW who just had 35 goals. - a young goalie on the cusp of being the top goalie in the league. - A rookie RW who would become a consistent goal scoring threat - the #3 overall pick, two second rounders in 2012, and his first, plus two more second rounders in 2013. - a young Centre who would become a strong number 3, even good enough to be the number 3 on a cup winning squad. Ray Charles could see that we needed a centre when Bergevin came on board. And I don't care what Bergevin tried, he didn't Get It Done.
  23. 2 points
    This isn't the "try league" this is the "get it done" league. If you can't get it done, eventually they're going to find people who can" Bergevin failed to improve the team, he failed to get a centre when it was clear this team was a centre away from being a legit threat at the cup. I don't care what he tried, his job was to get it done.
  24. 2 points
    It was Bergevin who decided to stand still in the summer of 2014 after his team got to the ECF. It was Bergevin who decided to stand still in the summer of 2015 after his team had the second best record in the league. He could have added a centre. He could have added a real 1RW. He could have fired Therrien for a better coach. Instead he did nothing until 2016, when his big decision was to subtract Subban and add Weber.
  25. 2 points
    I'm not crying for a tax on the 1%, sorry.
  26. 2 points
    Price, yes. Elite goalies age well, and in 3 years i still expect him to be the backbone of the team. He is also a leader to keep to steer the youngsters in the right direction. At 33, Weber I would trade. Defencemen age better than forwards, but not as well as goalies, and you can get a lot for him once he comes back and proves he is healthy.
  27. 2 points
    He's not Lars Eller 2.0 He was number 5 on MacKenzie's list which is a survey of actual NHL scouts. He wasn't that big of a reach. And some of those actual NHL scouts had him rated 3rd. Zadina didn't get picked by the Sens, or the Coyotes. Less than half of the scouts surveyed by McKenzie had him at #3. The idea that we passed up a player who everyone agrees is a better talent just isn't true. There are a number of teams who would have passed on Zadina, and at least two more that actually did.
  28. 2 points
    I disagree that the other guys were regarded as having a higher ceiling. The arguement was that Zadina and Tkachuk were already established and you know what you are getting with them. It was Kotkaniemi who had the higher ceiling but also a bit of a risk because he wasn’t as established. There was a lot of scouts that moved Kotkaniemi into the top 5 because of his potential, most notably Craig Button who said his highest potential could be the next Kopitar. So again I stress some patience in regards to our young blue chip prospect and now with the addition of Suzuki and Poehling in the wings it should take pressure off him and let him develop properly.
  29. 2 points
    Personally I don't draft Kotkaniemi over Zadina. Dude was revved up to be a Hab. I think he would have given 110% to be a star here. Maybe I eat crow on that when I'm 40. But for this team? No. Keep stockpiling centres. I want Hughes or Cozens in 2019 and Lafreniere or Byfield in 2020. One of the four would be amazing. Two of the four would be the making of a real contender. Let's say we finish dead last in 19-20 after moving Weber and Price and we win the lottery for Lafreniere. In 2019 we drafted Lavoie because Price had a decent season so we got 6th overall or something. We are now running with: C: Lafreniere, Poehling, Suzuki, Kotkaniemi L: Domi, Hudon, Lehkonen, RW: Lavoie, Scherbak, Bitten, Ylonen F: Drouin (can play anywhere) Now with this depth, we realize that Poehling and Lafreniere are real deal top centres while Suzuki can pivot to the wing. Maybe Kotkaniemi doesn't pan out as a top centre but ends up a really good 2/3 C. Suddenly we are running with a lineup that could look like Suzuki - Lafreniere - Lavoie Domi - Poehling - Drouin Hudon - Kotkaniemi - Scherbak/Bitten You could even move Kotkaniemi to the wing and have him replace Domi if he busts like I expect him to. Point is, Leafs (I know I know we all hate hearing about them as they haven't won anything but hear me out) drafted Nylander and Marner as centres and play both as wingers. That's much easier to do than draft wingers and make them centres. Also if say Matthews signs an offer sheet in Arizona and is gone next summer, Toronto still has Tavares and Kadri and can move Marner back to centre if need be. That's why you need heavy centre depth. Poehling, Kotkaniemi, and Suzuki is a start. I want more.
  30. 2 points
    Kotkaniemi will likely be our Kadri. He is right now our best prospect but once he hits his stride we need to have a Matthews and Marner and Nylander surrounding so he looks underrated. If he is our best young player for years to come he either broke out huge or we neglected a proper rebuild and will suck for another 10 years.
  31. 2 points
    Downgrading talent for 'heart' is the single dumbest managerial strategy there is. It's right up their with Burke building for 'truculence' (although that actually made more sense, in the context of the time). Besides that...I'm not sure the theory stands up. Subban has tons of 'heart,' gamely overcoming all kinds of obstacles, so that can't be the primary desiratum; perhaps 'players who Bergevin would personally would have liked to play with' is more accurate. Even that doesn't explain why he junked blood-and-guts guys like Markov and Radulov. Nor does it clarify why he traded an elite D prospect for a guy who had publicly protested his treatment in Tampa, and who MB would have shipped out for a 3rd-line grinder had he been a Habs prospect doing the same thing. The sad fact is, Bergevin has no idea what he is doing apart from reacting, usually in ways that reflect the impulses of his own ego.
  32. 2 points
    Lateral move at best. Bring me a 1st pair LD and I'll be happy.
  33. 2 points
    I have never wished bodily harm to an adversary, I do not think we should let things boil over down that slippery slope. Criticize =YES Argue = YES Wish Death = NO
  34. 2 points
    Kraken or bust for me. People have already designed awesome logos.
  35. 2 points
    First, that didn't come close to answering the question. Second, Shaw is coming off a concussion and a subsequent knee issue that will keep him out of the lineup into the season. Perhaps that's why he's still on the team? The fact that he wasn't dealt for Domi (in a trade that would have made no sense for Arizona at all) doesn't mean that Bergevin valued him over Galchenyuk at all. Teams aren't lining up to acquire a concussion-prone bottom-six forward. That doesn't automatically mean Bergevin is valuing him over more talented players. (That does mean he's on an overpaid contract, something I think everyone was pretty much in agreement on the moment it was signed.)
  36. 2 points
    Cause the best years are years that this team likely won't be very good. And the bad years will be years that we need cap space for Kotkaniemi, Poehling, Our 2019 Draft Pick, Mete, and others to get extensions which will be significant raises on their current deals. If we were ready to compete now, I'd agree with you. But we aren't.
  37. 2 points
    What I find odd is that illWill posted that right after I'd tried a long-ish post issuing a qualified *defence* of Molson's ownership. Either he ignored that post (understandable) or he focused on its incidental negative remarks about MB, which were far from the point of the post. It's one thing to say that there is too much negativity - although this is hardly surprising, given the Habs' suckage and the lack of significant upgrades - but quite another to be 'triggered' every time anyone says anything critical of the GM irrespective of context.
  38. 2 points
    We were talking about prospects the other day. There just wasn't anymore news. Of course that doesn't fit your martyrdom so
  39. 2 points
    Generally, teams will want a trade agreed on before granting a negotiation window. You don't necessarily want a blanket window where teams can quietly use it to make overtures about next year's free agency that could turn around and hurt Montreal's leverage. (That's not being moronic as H29 suggests, just proper business sense...) For example, the Habs open up the window and Florida (a team it's believed he'd like to play for) comes and in says they'll give him x for x number of years but they don't have the payroll room to trade for him in 2018-19. Pacioretty agrees to the deal in principle and turns around and tells the Habs and anyone else interested that he's no longer interested in pursuing an extension. In doing so, the Habs just lost one of the few things going for them - a pure rental isn't going to garner as much in return as someone that has the willingness to extend. Therefore, they won't grant the window until a deal is firmly agreed upon pending the acquiring team agreeing on an extension.
  40. 2 points
    Pacioretty was hurt in 2011. He was healthy and scored 30+ goals on 2012 before bergevin arrived. But thats besides the point. Everything i mentionned was in the system. Whether it was already drafted and in junior (gallagher), producing in the nhl (pacioretty) or a draft pick not even used (3rd overall). Bergevin doesnt get credit for taking those pieces and making them into a good team. Those pieces were already acquired before he was hired. It doesnt matter who was on the bottom 6 in 2012 for a team playing out the string due to injury. It matters what MB had at his disposal. He did virtually nothing (added frankie bouillon, brandon prust and colby Armstrong) before the 2012-13 season and finished the year with a first place club. He inherited the pieces of a good hockey team. A potato could have been named the GM instead of bergevin and all those pieces that became the core of the team still wouldve been part of the organization in 2013. What je did with that core is what o evaluate him on... and what did he do... added petry... a rental vanek... one year of briere, parenteau, semin, and then radulov... got byron... got danault... got some good 4th liners and bottom pair d. Then traded subban for a guy 4 years older. Traded chucky. Replaced markov with alzner. Didnt replace Radulov... let plekanec get old without a replacement... Watched the core get old while never adding a number 1 c. Thats his track record. Thats his contribution.
  41. 2 points
    I think that's decent. Muzzin is a legit top pair defenceman.and Anderson-Dolan is a good C prospect.
  42. 2 points
    I commend the positive outlook, really I do, and you are going to need every ounce of it to get through the coming storm. What is posted is, statistically solid, to prove the very point you are trying to make, the team under Bergevin's tenure has overall, been above average. the problem with averages is they don't show you where things are trending. In this case, we have been trending down with a few lucky spikes for the better part of those years. I am not just talking about points in a season, position in the standings, and all that, I am talking about the product on the ice, in its entirety and in its make up, it has been trending down. From blatantly obvious holes not being filled putting us in a worse and worse situation because of it, to letting go of the wrong players at the wrong time. The grand make up of this team has been trending downward, it is really as simple as that, we were trying to trend upward, with core pieces in every position, except Center, being damn good, and instead squandered it through a snowball like effect of improvised Management, creating holes where there once weren't any not long ago, and not filling holes that have been around for far too long. I'm all for looking at things through glass is half full spectrum, but sometimes you just gotta call a turd, a turd. You can tell me you you think the cat litter doesn't stink that bad, but don't tell me there isn't that many turds in the box when there is. It is important to ensure the line between positive thinking and ignorance doesn't get fuzzy
  43. 2 points
    Some fans really do seem to be satisfied with a team that 'has a chance to make the playoffs.' If all you want is a team that could make the playoffs if everything goes just right, then sure, MB is doing at least a passable job. And so is every other GM including Dorion, because every team always has a chance to make the playoffs if everything goes just right. Others seem to take the view that our role, as fans, is to get behind the organization, no matter what; and that this rules out serious critical assessment of the GM or anyone else. But for those who don't subscribe to these approaches, I have a really hard time seeing how the case against MB is other than open and shut.
  44. 2 points
    Agreed. And some don't get it that Bergevin walked into a situation where the Habs only had to compete with an unstable Tampa, inconsistent Ottawa, and declining Boston in their division. Their conference was a mirror New York, underachieving Washington, and disheveled Pittsburgh. 2014-2017 was a real window to make the final. In that time, Bergevin believed in Therrien. He stuck to Desharnais. He only had temporary solutions for 1RW. He didn't think Subban was good enough. He thought defence mattered more than scoring. He thought physicality was the missing ingredient. He trusted Sylvain Lefebvre in the AHL. And with the final years of Markov, he never found his heir, let alone a 2LD to play behind him. I don't expect him to be perfect. Pittsburgh won back to back Cups with an imperfect defence. But with this many issues during the Cup window, he closed it himself. Bergevin will be remembered as a GM who sat back on decisions the team needed most, and was always proactive on decisions the team didn't need to answer. And now we go into the season with a captain that reports said requested a trade, and I'm supposed to what? Ignore all this? Give Bergevin and the team a clean slate? I don't know what some expect on a discussion forum.
  45. 2 points
    The team was an above average club. It had a strong group and needed just one more piece in a top line centre. Its no longer above average though, the window on this roster has closed and it needs to be re-opened. The fact that this happened without the missing piece being added in six years absolutely falls at the feet of the GM
  46. 2 points
    Look at the numbers over the last three seasons. Huge decline relative to the 2014 numbers. The longer he has been in charge, the worse the team has gotten - as a direct result of his incompetence. He is an absolute POS General Manager. Stop clinging to the team he inherited (the core of which defined the 2014/15 teams) and focus on the team he built - the human garbage we now see before us.
  47. 2 points
    Max's trainer says he's in the best shape of his life. Which is 99% trainer fluff but 1% likely a detail that he's 100% healthy and ready to go for opening season, and a healthy Pacioretty is crucial to have a tradeable Pacioretty. Best case scenario he scores like eight goals in the first 10 games on one of his hot streaks and a team getting shut out just panics and offers something big for him.
  48. 2 points
    In all seriousness, when as gentle and supportive a fan as yourself turns on management, that is a really brutal indictment.
  49. 2 points
    Rychel's the better offensive player while Shinkaruk is the better skater. The Habs seem to be placing more of a premium on speed with some of their depth moves (even going back to adding guys like Verbeek). I wonder now if McCarron who is still unsigned (like Rychel/Shinkaruk) will be on the move in a similar type of swap as well. http://www.habsworld.net/2018/08/habs-acquire-hunter-shinkaruk/ From the Calgary side:
  50. 2 points
    The fact he had never met Jesperi until that charity game and when someone asked him how he felt about it, all he talked about was how he was playing first line and his "little brother" Mikko was third line... I get the feeling he won't be a hockey ops guy. That said, even Saku Koivu as a "Habs Ambassador" for Europe would be a nice role to see him in. Maybe like what Rejean Houle does for Habs alumni but for the European guys so they have Habs representation doing autograph signings or charity games (provide sweaters, logos, photos to autograph, etc.)