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  1. 6 points
  2. 4 points
    When you have a forward group filled with young players who is going to be adding a guy who set a record for most goals ever at the usntdp and the iihf under 18s, the ohl playoff mvp, the qmjhl playoff scoring leader and Mem cup mvp, the wjc mvp, Not lines... just putting people into positions... Caufield - kk - suzuki Drouin - domi - gallagher Lehkonen- danault - ylonen Armia - Poehling - weal Plus long shot prospects evans, teasdale, ikonen, fonstad, mcshane, vejdemo, hillis .. gotta think at least one of that group comes through You can build a strong lineup out of that. Then the d is gonna add the second best whl d, the wjc best dman and more talent Romanov - juulsen Mete - brooks Kulak - fleury Harris Struble Plus weber in a leadership role will still be a decent d even if not a number one Price with the best college goalie. You have a strong group of players coming through. Let the habs keep building internally. I dont care what other teams do. Keep building that squad and you can get a contender out of it It doesnt have to be this year.
  3. 4 points
    I see lots of people demanding MB make more changes since he hasn't really improved the roster this much off-season. I'm confident MB is trying but I don't see a lot of good options. Signing Gardiner to a 3 or 4 year deal would be great but it seems clear that either Gardiner is too injured or that he is too wedded to Toronto or insisting on a long term deal. I don't want to overpay him just so we can say we improved this off-season. I'd rather go through another season like last year and wait for the kids to improve. I think the team is on a good track for the first time in many years. The best option might be to wait and plan to push for the cup in 2 or 3 years. We have the prospect pool and the cap space for this to be a viable approach. I also think that MB might make some deals in the next month with one (or more) or the teams struggling to deal with the cap.
  4. 4 points
    I fear I might be at risk of moaning Cole Caufield's stat line during sex.
  5. 4 points
    Seems like all of this should be moved to the Fire Bergevin thread. Every time the Rumour thread is bumped, I expect something interesting. Instead, it's more Bergevin and a race of the downvotes/upvotes.
  6. 4 points
    With respect, the context being missed here is this team has gone into a full blown retool and building through youth for over a year now, expecting to make the playoffs during such a transition is setting the bar at an unrealistically high level to promote the rhetoric that he is continually failing. MB has not been very good during his tenure as a whole, he has also not been nearly as terrible as some make him out to be, the truth, as usual, is somewhere between both biased parties of the argument. He mismanaged some assets and even an entire offseason, he has also surprisingly shown great poise and solid asset management and strategy since embarking on this retool, it has thus far been the beginning of a redemption story for him. If you are going to give the guy a chance to redeem himself from past mistakes, then you have to, at some point, put those mistakes in the past and judge him based on what he is doing while trying to redeem himself. I have little complaints since the retool started about him, with the exception of the current passive offseason, but I do understand the offseason is far from over and things can happen by training camp. All in all, what I am seeing is a team with a top 5 prospect pool in the league, and miles away from any kind of cap hell, those are his dues to collect, there is no other regime to give credit to, there is no one else responsible for this current situation. So while it is easy for some people to continually pile on the dog poop about his past blunders, those same people are seemingly nowhere to be found when it comes to giving an honest unbiased assessment of his retool management. While I think it is easy enough to see why they steer clear of any positive assessment and only jump in the fray when there is mud to fling around and dead horses to beat on, it doesn't make it right by any stretch.
  7. 4 points
    Oh crap, you mean i've been looking at this the wrong way the entire time?!?! It's just like golf and you need the lowest amount of points to be the winning?! I'll see myself out...
  8. 4 points
    I made my point. I would have fired him after 2017. They didnt. They kept him on. What hes done over the last two years tells me that hes moving in the right direction. If I feel things are going well now, I'm not going to short circuit that and replace him because of a move in 2015. GMs grow and mature and learn on the job. So do coaches. So do players. I dont think hes the same guy we hired in 2013 who had never been a GM before. Over his tenure hes made good moves and mistakes. His current trajectory tells me that hes learned from the mistakes. So I'm weighing what is happening now way more than I'm weighing what happened 4 years ago. And what I see is an organization building up their young talent and prospects.
  9. 4 points
    A player who has 53, 46, and 53 points in his last three seasons is not a third line player. Michael sergachev has not proven to be a number 1 d. He was on the third pair last season. Bergevin is Trading all the prospects? What? How? We have one of the best prospect pools in the league thanks to prospects and picks we have added in recent years. Let's stop the madness people. There are areas to criticize but when you say that Bergervin is comparable to Milbury or that Drouin is a third liner. You lose any and all credibility and your argument becomes moot.
  10. 4 points
    The Habs have 25 players on their roster on cap friendly right now. Every player they send down, they save the first 1.075 million in salary. 23 men is the max NHL roster... so to add a player they send 3 to the AHL. Sending down Alzner, Peca and Weise, means they would have 7.269 million in space. Most teams leave about a million in space for callups due to injury. They could sign a player worth up to 6 million with no other moves.
  11. 4 points
    ... to get the cap space to sign the top UFA centreman? At least try to give the full story, Don.
  12. 3 points
    It is highly unlikely that Poehling will just step into a top-6 NHL C slot. And it is even more unlikely that he will outperform Domi's impressive 72 points. We have seen over and over and over that, apart from rare outliers like Price, Subban, and Gallagher - prospects hardly ever come in and make a big impact. (And hell, even Price and Gally crashed a couple of years in, before recovering; and Subban was benched for five games). And yet wave after wave of prospect comes up with all tbese unrealistic assumptions about what they might be able to do.We never learn. This post also illustrates what I mean about Domi being overlooked as a C. If I told you tomorrow that Poehling would become a 60-point C, folks would be clicking their heels. Meanwhile we have a 23-year-old 72-point C and quite a few people overlook this, or else talk about moving him to W for some reason. Domi's production is that of a legit #1C in the NHL. Let's internalize that, finally.
  13. 3 points
    Not much to talk about these days but man, what a great job Bergevin has done with this team. *goes to get popcorn*
  14. 3 points
    The 25th and 27th teams are closer to the cup than the 14th will EVER be
  15. 3 points
    Can we please stop with the notions that we have to poop the bed for years on end to become an instant contender, and that we have to trade players based on age regardless of where your team is in its building arc? It is seriously ridiculous to consider both of those things to be absolutes, when it comes to how to reach contender status. Did you see St.Louis or Boston bottom feeding for years during the last 5 to 7 years to get where they are today? Did they trade away all their veterans on the wrong side of their prime to achieve their current status? How about San Jose? How many seasons did they spend bottom feeding to acquire a contender during the last 5 to 7 seasons? How many veterans did they trade away in that time? There are several different ways to build a contending team, but ultimately a balance of good drafting, good trades to achieve roster balance, good contracts and cap management are the keys to getting there.
  16. 3 points
    About two years ago, or post-subban trade, I was all for firing Bergevin. I mean I had zero desire to hold onto him. That, then the Alzner signing, a teeeerrrible terrible prospect pool, and the constant need to sign CHaracter guys who couldn’t skate. I really didn’t like MB. Fast forward two years. The sting of the Subban trade has lessened, and it doesn’t seem as lopsided. He’s sent Alzner to the minors, the prospect pool is the best since pacioretty subban price and McDonaugh (and deeper) he seems to realize this league requires great skaters - MB has turned a page, and so have I. Im not saying I no longer criticize him, but I’m saying I recognize what he’s done recently, and if you ask me It’s a very good job. If the team regresses, I’ll change my mind, but right now I like the direction, so right now I like MB.
  17. 3 points
    I have three downvotes on this page alone already, because I don't agree to consider Bergevin a failure. I expect I'll get at least one more for this post. But to extend your proverb, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the new season has not started yet. So I am not yet willing to condemn Bergevin's performance for this summer.
  18. 2 points
    Nice to be back. Habs rookies and a poor offensive showing in the Rookie Showcase, name a more iconic duo. Sucks when most of your goal scorers are in Europe or in college, but I was hoping for a bit more offensive dominance from the 1st rounders and 2nd year AHLers. Harvey-Pinard would have a contract off his performance here if the Habs weren't flirting so closely with the contract limit. Leskinen might need a whole year in the AHL to get used to north american ice size, but the puck-moving skill is apparent. Evans might be the smartest player on the ice in every game he plays this season. Really feels like Suzuki's potential will best be met at center, but that gaping hole at 2nd line RW on the Habs might be calling his name too loudly. Brook, oof... not a good first impression with the coach. And holy shit is Verbeek ever fast, but too bad that's about it with him tho. Just something to keep in mind: Bergevin made the Pacioretty trade last year on September 10th - shortly after the Rookie Showcase ended.
  19. 2 points
    Sure he said that but I doubt he really meant it. I doubt the owner is too happy paying close to the entire revenue the Carolina Hurricanes might make this year to a single player in the first year of his contract. Who knows though a smart GM wouldn’t get emotional about it and still look for the best deal available in any event.
  20. 2 points
    Two things: 1) Apologies for the forum outage yesterday. We're trying to update some stuff but it hasn't been going as well as we'd hoped. It's still being looked at. 2)
  21. 2 points
    Pominville's agent would be the one negotiating...
  22. 2 points
  23. 2 points
    Drouin could become a top liner one day but he isn't one with the Habs so he isn't going to be perceived as one around the league. He ended on a low (terrible) note and then had surgery so teams won't be lining up for him right now. With four years left on what currently looks like an above-market deal based on his production, this isn't the time to move him if you're looking for top value in return.
  24. 2 points
    Cam Hillis 2a in his 1st game, 7-5 loss Gianni Fairbrother 2a again in 2nd game Jacob LeGuerrier 1g in his 1st game. Some Q&A with Romanov and Finn
  25. 2 points
    From the Canadiens website
  26. 2 points
    Well, if by some miracle the Jets are (a) dumb enough to trade Laine and (b) dumb enough to prefer Drouin over Domi, why, we should be all over that like Ron Hextall on Chris Chelios.
  27. 2 points
    Nope. Max Domi is our best forward and finally fixed our centre problems, plays a solid game and is a guy you win with. Laine is a player you add to play with Domi. Josh Brook is our best defensive prospect and hopefully Weber’s replacement when the time comes. I’m not sure if I would do Domi for Laine straight up.
  28. 2 points
    In an effort to keep the rumour thread about rumours, I've split a lot of the talk from the last couple of weeks into here. Proceed (preferably without the same few up/downvoting simply because of who's posting and not the actual post quality...).
  29. 2 points
    You didn't answer the question. The question was... what team is perfect. The Blues had goaltending issues and was lucky that their fourth string guy from the start of the season played like a good goalie after injuries hit. They also don't have the star power that Pittsburgh, Washington, etc... have. Pittsburgh lacks defence. Toronto lacks defence. Tampa lost a number of defencemen and again their weakness is at the back end. San Jose might have the worst goaltending in the NHL. IF its not the worst, its bottom 3. Florida still lacks defensive depth. Vancouver lacks scoring depth, and trusts Markstrom as their number 1 goalie. I also don't think they have a number 1 defenceman. Every team has flaws. Did they work to improve? sure... but that doesn't make them perfect. Bergevin makes moves too. Last summer he addressed the centre issue. He also has greatly added to the prospect pool. This summer he added a much better backup goalie. He also upgraded Been to Chiarot. If the question is, does the GM make moves to improve his team? We've been over this... Bergevin has never been afraid to make moves, he makes as many moves as any GM in the NHL. If the question is, has the GM fixed every weakness? Then there is no team in the NHL where the GM has fixed every weakness. There is no perfect team.
  30. 2 points
    How many playoff misses will it take before MB defenders think he should be fired, I wonder? If we miss this season, does that do the trick? I don't see why Habs29's post has three downvotes. He is quite right that data requires context, and also quite right that - in the main - the longer MB has been GM, the worse the results have gotten. The overall uptick last year doesn't change the fact that the team still missed the playoffs, after all. If that's a fine season, then the bar is just too damned low around here. The argument that the talent pool is good and the organization is now trending the right direction makes some sense. But saying that is quite different from redeeming MB's body of work to this point, which would indeed have been completely unacceptable for any Habs' GM prior to Bergevin. We may like the look of the future, but it hasn't happened yet. Taken as a whole - looking at what actually has happened, in terms of results - MB's career has been mediocre at best.
  31. 2 points
    Yes, I also knew that without the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet shows without a doubt that the CH is clearly above average in the regular season but not as good in the playoffs A pet peace of mine is when someone claims something is true based on their opinion where data shows otherwise (e.g. climate change)
  32. 2 points
    The Devils have done quite a bit to improve this off season. I have not seen a lot of Gusev, but seems to be low return to VGK, petty much what the Habs got for Shaw.
  33. 2 points
    I do love our prospect pool, but I also loved the core we had (as I mentioned above)... Bergevin showed how inept he was with the handling of that group. The Habs are worse off with the subtraction of Shaw and the addition of Chiarot. Where is the direction? We all get giddy on free agent days or in year's past deadline days, only to be disappointed once again. In 2017, our g.m went out and traded for Martinsen, Ott, and Dwight King( none of which play in the nhl anymore ), when the only real missing piece this team needed was a top 6 forward, that could bury the puck, from time to time At that very moment, I knew this g.m had no clue what he was doing. Keep eating the bread though; you guys are paying for Bergevin's hypnotizing, tailored fit suits.
  34. 2 points
    So any rumours out there?
  35. 2 points
    Agree 100%, just plain silly to spend recklessly to get to the cap. Then what happens if a good opportunity comes up??
  36. 2 points
  37. 2 points
    We can argue what caused what, but as far as can see the results constitute the pudding. Therefore to-date I give MB a failing grade. CC is right.
  38. 1 point
    "Please don't trade for Laine, please don't trade for Laine" - Nick Suzuki
  39. 1 point
    There is always room for players to improve weaknesses in their game. But thats true of every player. Could Caufields skating get better? Sure. Its probably never going to be elite though. While players can get better its usually good becoming very good. Its usually not good moving all the way to elite like a russ courtnall was.
  40. 1 point
    Hes a 19 year old playing in a league where very few teenage defencemen play. We need him to be in north america so he can get serious AHL icetime next year
  41. 1 point
    The KHL season kicked off today. Romanov was listed as the seventh d-man for CSKA but still managed to play 12:32.
  42. 1 point
    I was hoping there was going to be an interesting newcomer or two that wasn't at Development Camp but no luck there. I'm a bit surprised to see Evans on the list but this is a roster that skews a little older than usual. That's what happens when they have a lot of college/international prospects. I did a quick piece on the invites (and those on AHL deals). http://www.habsworld.net/2019/08/a-look-at-the-2019-rookie-camp-invites/
  43. 1 point
    What MB has done over the last 3 seasons is compile many draft picks and prospects and refused to deal prospects/ picks for immediate help. He has been saying for years he wont mortgage the future for a top C and he would get that player when available in the draft. fast forward to Kotkaniemi and Poehling and Evans etc. He did finally shell out money on the "top" UFA D man that off season and it completly back fired in Alzner after Markov walked. He's always been a penny pincher for the most mart in UFA market and has managed the cap well. Keep in mind, we lost radulov and markov which set us back two seasons ago. But, if those 2 were in fact signed we probably dont have kotkaniemi, Caufield, Tatar, Suzuki, struble today...
  44. 1 point
    You have to be kidding me, there's a perfect team? STOP THE MADNESS It's becoming the theme of the 2019 offseason
  45. 1 point
    I’m glad I’m not as pessimistic and sour as you. That would be rough.
  46. 1 point
    It's more than just extra picks. Its solid picks in poehling at 25th. It's a trade for suzuki from pacioretty. 7th rounders like primeau developping. Caufield isnt an extra pick. It's taking kotkaniemi when most wouldnt have. Its brook and romanov and fleury.
  47. 1 point
    This is an over the top statement. Calling him mediocre is a fair assessment, but milbery snow level ineptitude is radical.
  48. 1 point
  49. 1 point
    https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/olson-now-its-time-to-focus-and-get-after-it/c-308322772 100% Poehling 100% of the time!
  50. 1 point
    Im not a fan of disagreement downvotes either. I typically reserve them for transgressions like being overly sarcastic and such.
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