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    Game Thread | Toronto vs Montreal | FINAL SHOWDOWN | 07/05/07

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    Maybe he made some mistakes tonight, but rookies do.

    And let's not talk about just this game, because we shouldn't have been playing a do or die game to begin with ;

    Carbo is not reponsible for the mess that started at the end of december

    So, I do blame some guys that were on the ice first

    I blame the guys on the ice but I also blame carbo for putting the wrong players on the ice and putting together lines that didn't work.

    Game Thread | Toronto vs Montreal | FINAL SHOWDOWN | 07/05/07

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    I'm not going to blame Carbeau ; he is not supposed to be on the ice

    He wasn't a bad rookie coach, and tried everything : hone the ego of his "stars", trying different lines to please Mr Kovalev, he was patient with Abby and Samsonov ; on top of that, how many times did he warn his players about stupid penalties : "guys, we have to avoud bad penalties, guys..." do they listen? not so sure

    Carbo is supposed to have a game plan. What game plan did he have? The habs were outshot and outplayed in the first period. They had no system. The Leafs came out with a strategy. They forechecked, their defence chipped in. What was the habs system?

    Tonight was not the first night Begin has taken stupid penalties. Carbo relied on the likes of Begin and Dandenault not because they were playing great but because they were french canadians. Who should have been benched in the third period Begin for that stupid reckless play or Kovalev?

    The Great Canadiens Gripe Thread

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    Carbo was not ready to coach. He has communication problems and some of this team disunity falls at his feet. Not sure if I would fire him, it would depend on whether he learned from his mistakes or not...

    Koivu gets a career high 75 points to lead the team. If that is our best player, we are not a top team anyway. That is what I would hope our 3rd or 4th best player would get. Sure hope Koivu is our 2nd line Center next year.

    Ribs Trade... Didn't like it then, don't like it now. We got nothing for him. He is the top point getter on Dallas, playing 3rd line minutes. He was a plus player all season. Apparently, if he was a cancer in the dressing room, he was not the only one, because I have not seen any improvement in the team chemistry this year. We should have at least traded him for a decent player.

    Souray.. well, a lot of people think he sucks, but he played hard all season and was our only consistent threat. Markov has a crap season based on the way we talk about him. Souray gave more then I expected from him. I wish him luck where ever he ends up next year.

    Huet.. had a okay season. Sometimes he was great, sometimes crap. I don't think he is anything more then a good goalie, not a great goalie.

    Kovalev... big fan of his up to this year, but if we could trade him, do it. He clearly doesn't have his heart in it

    Lats.. well, some sparks of life, but he is a few years away from being worth the hype. Hope he gets to that level, he did great if you ignore the hype and treat him as a no-name rookie.

    Sammy.. well... shame...

    Overall, I am pretty disappointed in this team. I didn't have high hopes this season based on the lack of improvement up front, but the lack of effort was very surprising. This team could have been decent, but the poor coaching, lack of effort, and chemistry problems made decent on paper into embarrassing on the ice.

    I sure hope Gainey can get some decent players to sign over the summer, but I can't see them wanting to come here.

    and for the record.. the leafs beat the habs this season, regardless of whether the leafs make the playoffs. so next year when everyone talks about how much better the habs are then the leafs....

    I completely agree with point number one. Carbo was hired as a motivator. I sensed that in the first part of the year. Then he started developing this ego problem. All I ever got from him was this idiotic smile everytime the habs were penalized either justly or unjustly. Then came the remark to the press he and Muller couldnt put on the skates. At the time the habs were in 4th place and he told them they were crap. Then he broke up the Koivu Higgins Ryder line. Then he benched Perezhogin the best +- on the team. Then he put the dynamic duo of Dandenault and Bouillon together and benched Ninimaa. Once Begin returned he played on every line. I don't even want to discuss the Samsonov disaster which Carbo holds a major responsibility for.

    As well, I think Kovalev was right- Carbo favours french canadians players- skilled or unskilled.

    The big problem Montreal has is defensively. They need a defenceman coach. Even Souray and Markov had big defensive lapses. They need a tactician that can let them play the trap when needed like tonight. I don't know what Muller and Jarvis do? neither one ever played defence in the NHL.

    Game Thread | Toronto vs Montreal | FINAL SHOWDOWN | 07/05/07

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    Posted · Edited by Strummerman

    Thank you Mr Carbonneau. It's too bad the penalties ruined the game. However, in even strength Paul Maurice totally outcoached Carbo, the Leafs had a system in the first period canadians had none. Thanks to great individual play by Ryder the Canadians came back. However Carbo was clueless.His insistence on relying on players like Begin and Latendresse and Dandenault to go to war for him cost him the season. Great move having Kovalev play with young blood like Lapierre and Latandresse. They may turn out to be decent NHL'ers in 3-4 years not now. The Crystal wall shattered. Carbo destroyed this team's confidence at Xmas and he never let go.

    Dear Mr. Samsonov

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    Yeah but he is a loud mouth 9 goal scorer, unless he is going to play against TO and score 41 goals.

    a 9 goal scorer since Carbo treated him like crap all year and never played him on the powerplay

    When Jeff O'Neill gets benched and tells the media that he won't be like Samsonov and whine publicly about it, you KNOW that Samsonov has basically destroyed his previous reputation for being a solid player.

    It drives me crazy, because in a world that made any sense, he'd have done for us what he's done in every one of his previous 8 seasons: be a decent, dangerous 2nd-line winger. And that alone might have meant 2-3 more wins...don't get me started. :angry:

    Jeff O 'Neill has been a bust since joining the Leafs. He has nothing to brag about, and since he left the Hurricanes they won a Cup without him.

    What you are saying is essentialy what i am saying. Why has Sammy been a bust in Montreal? I think we are blaming the victim of Carbo's ego

    Dear Mr. Samsonov

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    So would I, but he is damaged goods atm, he really shot himself in the foot and nobody will touch him anymore. he went on waivers and not one of the league's 30 GMs wanted a guy who was an impact playoff performer last season.

    I think that fact really highlights how bad his behaviour was and what a betrayal of the team it is considered to be in hockey circles. I wouldnt be surprised if he never got another NHL contract and went back to Russia.

    That said, I think he could still repent by swallowing his pride and making a public apology asking for forgiveness. Perhaps he is waiting to see if the habs make the playoffs or not.

    I would like to see him back because he does have a lot of potential to light it up in the playoffs, but the ball is in his court atm.

    Let's get real dirty harry. No one took him because of his salary. Frankly from what I saw of the likes of Latandresse last night I think Sammy would be a vast improvement. Sammy won't be playing with the Habs next year and when he starts playing great with another team I hope everyone will question what happened in Montreal. I don't think you have to look further then Carbo. If the Habs don't make the playoffs Carbo won't last long next year.

    Dear Mr. Samsonov

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    the difference between richard and messier and sammy is they were the captains of their team and were leaders on and off the ice They were not underachieving overpaid offenceless highly paid whiners. He wanted to be the go to guy but he didnt score any goals I think 2 or 3 months in hamilton next year might MIGHT teach him a little humility and he could then try to rebuild his career or we could trad him to boston since apparently they still love him there GO SAMMY GO!

    !

    I wouldnt mind him being sent to Hamilton. I would be interested to see if he plays real well. If he does then who was to blame for his lack of productivity in MONTREAL?

    Dear Mr. Samsonov

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    Posted · Edited by Strummerman

    I completely agree with this but it in no way excuses what Sergei did.

    Samsonov was completely out of line for a pro being paid big bucks when he whined in public like that. He really blew it.

    Guys like Kovalev and Koivu have been under a lot of pressure too, and they've handled it like pros, Samsonov disgraced himself.

    This is nonsense. MarK Messier one of the the undisputed greatest leaders in hockey whined about Roger Nielson and had him fired. Henri Richard the Pocket Rcoket and winner of most Stanley Cups as a player whined about Al McNeil and had him shipped off. This happens all the time

    Not to be rude, but this post just misses the point completely. Say for example, I'm p****d off because my boss is a jerk. If I then take out a full page add in the local paper saying so and detailing what a mistake I made joining the company etcetera how long do you think I would remain employed? I somehow do not think I would be sent home with full pay. If Samsonov was unhappy he should have kept his mouth shut and done his job better. The proof is in the pudding... NOT one team was willing to take a chance on him when he was put on waivers... the team is winnining without him.

    Bottom line: this is ALL on Samsonov because he kept whinning in the press. He blew his chance for redemption in MTL. The coach's job is to win--not make the individual player's happy. Koivu understands that; Rivet understood that; Nininema understands that....

    Frankly my opinion was totally different. If Samsonov had said nothing then I would have thought he did not care. Why whine if you don't care. He was frustrated and he said the things he said. Frankly hockey is entertainment and reporters are there to get a story. I doubt your job is interesting to the general public. You mentioned Craig Rivet but does my memory fail me that he did not take his benching all that well either??? As for Ninimaa I saw him on TV said better let things remain unsaid as to what he thought of being benched. He clearly did not think much of it

    I dont know what code there supposedly is in hockey. The same code when Patrick Roy went ballistic before he was traded? The same code that brought Reggie Jackson and Billy Martin to blows? The same code that has soccer players throw things when they are substituted?

    Dear Mr. Samsonov

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    Koivu is a competitor and sure he was pissed he did not play. He is not paid to talk to the media, and it is better to say nothing at all rather than bash your teammates or coach.

    Who cares if he did not talk to the media in Montreal they cause enough shit as it is. Also Koivu has not spoken to the media before.

    So apparently when Sammy is pissed it's because he is not a competitor? Carbo has bashed Sammy repetitively in the media all year. Sammy says one thing and Carbo explodes like a spoiled brat.

    Dear Mr. Samsonov

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    Good call on Koivu being the professor.

    Carbo shortened Koivu's time (the captain AND points leader) in a must win game (that he scored the winner in) and what did he do?

    Did he whine? No

    Did he cry? No

    Did he threaten to leave? No

    He went out the next game, played hard, and scored the games only 2 goals.

    Cant believe people wanna trade this guy. Once again he has proven he would be a 90 pt guy if he EVER played with another star

    He left without talking to reporters even though he scored the winner. Koivu apparently always talks to the media. So his leaving was clearly a sign of whining that le journal de montreal picked up on Monday. Koivu is no saint. He was fairly benched on Saturday because of his poor performance on Friday. My qualm is that Sammy was sometimes unfairly benched.

    Dear Mr. Samsonov

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    I do not think this is fair and balanced criticism.

    First off, Carbo is really responsible for this disaster. He castigated Samsonov after 4 games. Sammy had just had a kid and was obviously distracted. Carbo almost never played him on the powerplay. He stuck Samsonov with Kovalev almost all season. Anyone with half a brain would have realized that their playing styles did not mesh. It didn't have to take 40 games to realize this. Finally he started to lift his game when put on the Bonk line. He played a great game in Nashville when they won. The very next game or the game after he was benched???

    Second, no one has ever complained about Sammy before. He was on a Stanley Cup finalist last year. And where are the Oilers this year without him. One could even ask where were the Oilers last year without him. Second, Samsonov outplayed Joe Thornton for almost 4 years before Thornton started to mature with the Bruins. The Bruins fans still think highly of him.

    So what happened??? I think what was as bad as Sammy and Kovy not meshing was Sammy and Carbo. Finally, in the second half his attitude started deteriorating. His play right before the final benching was gruesome. So Sammy quit on the team after being provoked all year by Carbo.

    Dream Line

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    Posted · Edited by Strummerman

    I would make a few changes to this lineup, but otherwise I agree. I would add Sylvio Mantha instead of JOhnson and probably added Jacques Laperriere and made Bouchard my 7th defensman.

    And Bert Olmstead needs to be on this team. Not sure how you fit him in but Beliveau and Geoffrion said he was the guy that made their line click.

    The only other thing I would have changed would be to add John Ferguson to the team for toughness.

    When Chris Chelios retired I'd probably try and make a spot for him as well

    Good choices but we need one defensive left winger and it is either Bert or Gainey. Olmstead won cups elsewhere in Toronto for instance. However, he only played on a couple of the habs cups. Jacques Laperrierre was a classic defensive defenceman but he was not rugged nor offensively skilled. Butch Bouchard had the rugged body and was a leader. As for Chelios one cup does not make the grade.

    Well if we had an enforcer it would be fergie no doubt about that. I was also wondering how about the big M? Hard to take players like the BIg M Olmstead or Chelios who played a good portion of their careers elsewhere. Patrick Roy may be the exception :hlogo:

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