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  1. While waiting for the final games to wind down, I'm actually hoping we lose every one of our final games, obviously so we can get the best possible draft pick. There's really nothing else to look forward to at this point. So I had this thought. Is there anything Marc Bergevin could do to win us back...to fix his reputation.....is there a path going forward for us that leads to success.....even contending? In fact I wondered if there has ever been a GM who did so poorly over a 5 year term, and saw his team drop so dramatically, and was able to turn things around? I'm not referring to a GM who inherited a mess and built it up, but someone like MB who has made bad moves and trades and then was able to revive that same team? I think there is a path going forward that could change our future dramatically. But let me first say that I understand what I'm pointing out is a bit like catching lightening in a bottle. The odds of everything coming together according to the path I'm suggesting is way out there. But it's possible. Kind of like Edmonton getting the first pick for so many years. So here it is. Remember, this is possible, however unlikely, but there is a path that could lead to a huge turnaround for us. Here it is. What if we lose most of our final games and then win the draft lottery and improve to the top 3 and get a very good player who will play for us next year. Certainly possible. What if we add Joel Bouchard, as is being reported, and also added Dominique Ducharme, or someone like him to bring in fresh leadership and begin a new culture. One of them as our AHL coach and the other to replace JJD or even as GM with MB being moved up to another position. Certainly possible. What if we sign John Tavares? Ok, here's catching the lightening in a bottle. What if we kept Max P and united him with Tavares and Drouin? What if we signed or traded for a top 4 left handed Dman? What if, combined with our draft last year, we pick up a few very good prospects in the draft this year? What if the terrible season we had this year lights a fire under Molson and Bergevin, like a slap upside the head, and they realize that the fans, media and players are all looking at them to fix this mess whatever it takes. We're certainly there on that one! Maybe there's more but if these changes or something close to them could happen I believe we would see a huge turnaround. Honestly, I think all of it is very possible. The only real big question mark is of course Tavares. But the islanders have had a very bad season. And even the media has openly talked about the possibility of him having friends on our team and maybe him liking the idea of coming in and being part of a resurrection, along with a big payday, back in Canada. I heard Darren Dreger say a month ago that while Tavares has never said anything to him, he has the feeling that Tavares would be open to coming to Montreal. Has he heard something. Now this next thought is purely speculation. We have all been very surprised, along with the Montreal media from what I've read, that Molson has not fired MB based on his record and the state of our team. Is it possible that MB has told Molson that he has inside news that Tavares is seriously considering signing with us. Why is Bergevin so confident about being here? Does he know something big is going to happen? Tavares?? Speculation....but is it possible. It is. So there is a path. It could happen. I wouldn't bet on it but there is a path going forward. could MB turn it around and win us back?? What do you think? Since there's not a lot else to talk about I thought this could give us something interesting to ponder!!
  2. Choosing which players to keep and which ones to send down or trade is sometimes obvious and other times not so much. I haven't been watching their games for a while now but I still read about them and follow. I'm actually hoping they lose all their remaining games to try to be in the top 3 for the draft and the lottery. One observation I've made is that there have been a number of reporters who made the comment that the team enjoys and is confident playing in front of Niemi. When I've watched a game he seems confident and seems to be challenging shooters and makes the big saves. If I was the decision maker I would seriously consider keeping him as my backup next year for the following reasons. 1. He has performed better than Lindgren in front of basically the same team over the past few months. 2. At this point we are not totally sure how Carey Price will do injury wise next year. I think we had the same feelings about Markov when he injured his knee for the second time a few years back but he came back strong and healthy and played at a high level again. We all want that for Price but we all know there's no guarantee. If Price is injured again next year who would we want as our back up? Niemi or Lindgren? 3. Reuniting Niemi with his former goalie coach, Stephane Waite may be one of the reasons for his great return to form with Montreal which means he may play this way for all of next year again if the two stay together. 4. We must make sure that we are better at every position next year. If we add a #1 centre [John Tavares??] and if our top draft pick this June is high enough so that he makes the team next year, we have to make sure we have a very solid, reliable backup to help Price and win some games but also be able to step in if injuries hit. I think Niemi is best equipped right now to do that for us. 5. I had higher hopes for Charlie Lindgren. I know some goalies take longer to develop but I'm beginning to wonder if he will develop into a #1 goalie. At this point I'm not sure I want to put too much faith in him to be able to step in and do the job if Price goes down. 6. Why release a goalie [Niemi] for nothing when he either could help us or if we kept him around until next fall, then trade him and get something for him when some team likely will be in need of a solid backup. To me it's just smart asset management. If Lindgren steps up and does well, then we will have something that some other teams need and we'll get something in return. For me it's a win win situation to keep Niemi and let things fall where they will. Releasing him and letting him walk for nothing accomplishes nothing. What do you think?
  3. I like that plan and I agree about the possibility of trading both Max and Weber. I would trade Web in a heartbeat for a solid top 2 younger defence man, to a team who needs veteran leadership now and is willing to give up a young guy to get it.
  4. 2018 draft thread

    How do you rank Barrett Hayton, a centre?
  5. I would choose Niemi over Lindgren

    Actually that's a good point. There probably will be guys like Niemi out there. I'm still impressed with him though. I presume Waite's input to MB about Lindgren and what he feels Lindgren is capable of will be a key determining factor.
  6. I would choose Niemi over Lindgren

    If we have confidence in some of our goalies, I'm not really thinking Fucale here, developing in our system then I think, based on what Commandant said, I would seriously consider our best interests over the next year or two and sign Niemi for two years and trade Lindgren. Unless of course they feel that Lindgren is developing into at least a solid backup. I think Niemi might want to stay with us since Waite is here to work with him and keep him on track.
  7. It will be interesting to see if they move a few more pieces that perhaps wouldn't cause much of a stir but maybe just enough to increase our chances of dropping a bit more for the draft. Probably not, but I can't help wonder....but that could only be a thought if a few more pieces are moved for draft picks.
  8. Permanent Rumour Thread

    I personally thought Sakic was ridiculous for holding out and asking so much for Duschene. Look who had the last laugh. Sakic got a boatload in return and by far was the winner and his team is looking a lot better now than before! I'm glad MB is asking a lot. He should. Big, fast, skilled perennial 30 goal scorers should command a really good return.
  9. Permanent Rumour Thread

    I started out saying that Eklund is not a reliable source at all, but for argument sake, while we're waiting, I personally think now is the time to trade him if we can. The older he gets the slower he'll be. I don't think the injury will affect his trade value....people know what he brings. If we could get a really good D prospect, a 1st next year and one other good piece, personally I'd do it. Plus we free up a ton of cap space. For me it's time to move some older guys if we could get a pretty good return.
  10. Permanent Rumour Thread

    I rarely read him anymore because I realized that very little of what he says happens, but for interest sake while we're waiting for something significant to happen....Eklund says that Shea Weber's name is being talked about and there are a number of teams interested. If Bergevin has his eyes and ears open he knows his dream job is on the line...as well as his buddies, so would he trade Weber?? For interest sake, if he did, what sort of return could we expect...with his contract?
  11. I can see that you put a lot of thought and work into this article. Very well done. I agree with most of what you said. It's probably nitpicking over words used, but I think the centre we must get back has to be not just a top 6, for me that infers a 2nd line centre would be acceptable. For Max P. the return has to include a first line centre or someone who has the definite potential, with experience, to get there. Maybe that's what you meant by top 6, giving the person a little time to evolve into a first liner. My other question would be, is it better to leave some of the young guys like Nikita S. and Noah J. on the farm playing lots of minutes instead of bringing them into what has to now be a very demoralizing, losing atmosphere, or would it be worthwhile to give them NHL experience understanding that any mistakes they make are not going to affect the final outcome very much anyway. However, Laval isn't overachieving either, so maybe bringing them up would be beneficial.
  12. Bergevin......

    One win....8 forwards out of 12 with only 1 point.....weak defensemen......already one summer signing outright released.....I didn't bother looking up goals for versus goals against......I don't need to list too much...we all know. Is it too early to judge, complain? Maybe, maybe not. If we just judge this season, it's probably too early. But things have been happening for many months. It's also been 5 years for M. Bergevin, so really it's not too early. I read this morning that since January 2016 our record is 23-23-4.....our goals/game is 2.12....PP is 14%.....shooting % is 6.9%. Did Bergevin address the glaring low scoring over the summer. I like Drouin but he's not enough. We needed more. We lost both Markov and Radulov....on his watch. But what really bothers me is what Bergevin did, and didn't do, this summer compared to what was available and what other teams did. Ron Hainsey is on Toronto's top pairing I believe. He'd look good for us right now. Patrick Marleau has scored more than any of our guys. He'd look good in our lineup right now. Bergevin signed Mark Street when he knew Markov wasn't coming back?? Ales Hemsky......Jagr was available. I have a feeling Jagr will score while Ales......fourth line or a healthy scratch? Unless there is a sudden and huge turn around, I think we may be seeing a glimpse of what this season may be. Hopefully we'll be fighting for a playoff spot and not totally out of it by then. If this season goes south and this is Begevin's team, does Molson let him begin a rebuild or make the changes that need to be made. Sadly I have to say, I hope not. At this point, after 5 years, I'm really disappointed in what Bergevin has put together. He's made a few good moves, Byron, Denault, but so many of what I believe are bad choices and bad decisions. I hate to say it because I don't like change, but if things don't improve quickly, I think it's time for change!
  13. Bergevin......

    On the opening page of HW Francois Gagnon wrote a very good article for RDS, Le Canadien a besoin d’un président – rds.ca, and he calls for Geoff Molson to step aside and put in a solid hockey man as President, and especially before any decision is made regarding our GM. I think he makes many great points and he ends with saying that this move is urgent....it needs to happen right now. Use google translate because it's in french, but it's a very good article. I'm very encouraged to read that a very well respected Montreal journalist, who knows hockey very well, would be brave enough to come out with an article calling for this much needed change. Hats off to you Francois! When it comes to understanding what our team needs right now there is no language barrier. We are all on the same page!!
  14. Cleaning Bergevin's Mess

    I get so frustrated for a number of reasons when I read a report/article chronicling the moves MB has made. Commandment your article is titled well. Marc Bergevin's Mess!! It's frustrating to see what he has managed to do to our team over the past 5 years! It's frustrating to see the results.....the on-ice product which sits near the bottom of the league in most categories which means the vast majority of the other GM's have been doing a much better job than our GM. It's frustrating to know that some of our players seem to have given up because they know they have pretty much zero chance of making the playoffs and morale and team spirit has to be pretty low. It's frustrating, in hindsight I admit that neither I nor probably most us anticipated this, that Geoff Molson and Serge Savard brought in an unproven GM, who had never run a team at any level before, to be the man in charge of what was the league's most storied franchise. Why didn't we see that coming? It's frustrating when you look at what the management of the Montreal Canadiens have done and the people they have put in place over the past 23 years. Over the past 23 years the GM's running our "most storied franchise" have been Rejean Houle, Andre Savard, Bob Gainey, Pierre Gauthier and now Marc Bergevin. Not one of those people have turned out to be very good or outstanding GM's, or today have a reputation or legacy that they were one of the best in the league. Why haven't we had leadership that went out and got the best person in hockey to run our team. Where is the "Sam Pollock" we desperately need? It's frustrating when you look at the list of our non-hockey presidents who have run our team since 1978, now 30 years running. Morgan McCammon, Ronald Correy, Pierre Boivin, Geoff Molson. Not one solid hockey man who today is remembered as a great leader or builder. It's frustrating that Geoff Molson has sat back and let this continue, missing the playoffs two years out of three. If this was in the private corporate world, with those results and decline, Geoff Molson would have made a change already and his own position would be in jeopardy. Is there any group or board who can pressure him to do something? So what can we do? What needs to happen to get Molson to put an end to this and let someone immensely more qualified to take over and begin putting in place a solid plan for the future to give the team and it's fans "a hope and a future"? Who's the best qualified to clean up "The Mess" and when will they be put in place?? At present, for all fans, it's very frustrating!
  15. Permanent Rumour Thread

    It seems that looking down the road at potential players like Hughes coming up in the draft and then going out getting someone else's first round pick a year or two ahead of time was how a very shrewd Sam Pollock ended up picking none other than Guy Lafleur and we all know how that turned out!
  16. Permanent Rumour Thread

    This may have been brought up and discussed before, if it was I missed it. If we trade Max P. what would we expect to get back from him? In listening to some reports of what other GM's said is that they thought Sakic received way too much for Duschene and very few would have been willing to pay that much. The sense I got was that they were saying that those kind of returns probably would not be repeated. I think Colorado received 7 pieces?? In hindsight, based on a small sample size on the results Duschene has put up, I think they're right. But it's still early and Ottawa is having a terrible year, so maybe it's too early to really know. So based on that, I would expect that we would get a top rated prospect, who must be a potential #1 centre, a first round pick and a #2 or #3 defence man for Max?? Or a #1 center [would we get a Pierre Luc Dubois?], a first round pick and a 2nd or 3d defenceman. Is this reasonable, can we expect something like this for Max? What do you think?
  17. I know we've talked a lot about what the problems are with our team. We have digressed from a few years ago. Instead of taking steps forward, we've slid back, at least into the middle of the pack, and by the end of this year, who knows where we'll be. Will we get it together and look like a good team like we have on our recent 5 game winning streak over the past few weeks or are our secondary players overachieving and will we end up being a team that scores sporadically. We know that most likely Carey will win us games and keep us in games but can we compete with the better teams ahead of us in the standings?? All valid questions. One of the most concerning things has been who we've drafted and how they've turned out. We traded PK because he supposedly didn't play the right way. We're probably going to trade a 3d pick in a draft, Alex Galchenyuk, a former 30 goal scorer, because he isn't the centre we thought he was and has regressed and is now being bounced all over the lineup. I get it that maybe he isn't playing right. Is it him or our system that has turned him into who he is today. Are there personal issues going on here behind the scenes like Mike Rebeiro?? Have we not taken proper care of our players development and futures?? Is this normal? Do all teams have these issues and what are other teams doing in this area? We drafted first rounders Nathan Beaulieu, Jared Tinordi, Louis Leblanc and they're all gone with hardly anything to show for them. We don't have any blue chip prospects, unless Noah Juulsen is considered in that category. We seem to have drafted some good players this year, but based on our track record how will they turn out. I look at our core, and while we have some good young players like Drouin, Gallagher, Paul Byron, maybe Arturi Lehkonen, and as of the past week maybe our new fourth line [but will they be able to sustain that energy and scoring touch?]. I look at even Max P. and I'm wondering is he done in Montreal or is it just a slump. Is he going to be another John Leclair and once he lands somewhere else he'll soar because he'll have better line mates and a different culture? He looks a bit like he's going through the motions and he's lost some desire and energy. For me our whole system right now seems frustrating. Something systemic seems broken. And it doesn't seem to be just one person. I don't know if frustration with our whole system is fair or if that really is the problem. Just a few years ago, with the players we had, incoming players were saying we had a great room. Now?? I know we've said all this before but other than Trevor Timmons I almost feel like we're descended into the former Leaf-like crisis. Do we need to change almost everything from the President right on down to our scouts and our AHL coach. Am I seeing the glass half empty or are we really in that place?? It's hard sometimes to put your finger on just one thing when there appears to be leaks in the ship all over! But in my mind I think the issue is leadership, starting at the top. I think these people are good human beings but I think our problem is primarily in the top levels of leadership. Our system seems broken. This is what I think has to change. Geoff Molson has to step aside and put in a very good hockey man as President , who then needs to replace our current GM with the best GM available, period. Then let him rebuild the front office leadership staff because based on results I'm beginning to think they're ver overrated, pst their shelf life, unfortunately like a lot of things Marc B. has done. Then remake our scouting and coaching staff so our whole system can be reorganized and we can return to being one of the best run organizations. I don't think just constantly changing players is now the answer. What do you think? Is there a solution possible with one or two player moves or do we need to clear the decks of our top level leadership?? If we need to clear the decks, as in from the President on down and come in with a new system and new leaders, I'm personally willing and actually would look forward to it, but to keep going year to year like this, lurching forward a bit and falling back a bit with seemingly not a solid plan in place frustrates everyone. I think this year is the time. Let's hope.
  18. Bergevin......

    Lol. Well you take what you're offered, right! My point in quoting him was simply to say that a former NHL coach and GM and long term hockey man, who is on both radio and national television, expressed his opinion that our team is poorly constructed and obviously the results are showing just that. There were a few others I heard say just that but I can't remember exactly who said it. McLean was the only name I could remember. I'll try to quote a better source next time!
  19. Bergevin......

    I wonder how much more evidence Molson needs? No 1st or 2nd centre's. One first pairing defenceman, maybe one 2nd pairing and the rest fourth and fifth. Forwards.....some playing out of position.....most underachieving. Near the bottom of the league in standings and in the bottom 3 or 4 in most other categories. They seem uninspired and unmotivated many nights. I have personally heard a number of insiders [Doug Mclean] and others say that this is a poorly constructed team. We need change....hope....a good plan. What will it take??
  20. Bergevin......

    If we can't get a top -C for Patches then we should add to so it gets done. For me, if we trade Max it has to be to address our #1 need, a #1 centre. Add to it, do whatever is necessary but don't settle for a winger, if we move Max we must get back a #1 Center.
  21. Bergevin......

    I'd do any of those.
  22. Bergevin......

    I think you have made some very good points here. Thank you! Finally some good news and hope for the future. If Commandment's reads on these developing players is even close, we're in better shape in the next 3-4 years than I thought!
  23. Permanent Rumour Thread

    So maybe this is the new and best way to develop our young players. Allow them to learn with the World Juniors and Olympic programs, avoid time in the AHL with SL, and then have them return to us much better prepared and developed and ready to jump in.
  24. Permanent Rumour Thread

    There's something I'm trying to get a handle on concerning Dudley. I always thought he was a top evaluator of talent and I've heard some hockey people say that same thing about Bergevin. So, realistically, how do explain the mess we find ourselves in right now. I'm saying this because of the thought of perhaps using Dudley as a temporary or permanent fill in/ replacement for MB. My guess is that Dudley is in the inner circle and, again a guess, that he and Bergevin must spend a lot of time evaluating their team and potential players they would like to get. So how do end up with Mark Street, Ales Hemskey, Carl Alzner, Joe Morrow and players like Charles Hudon and Lehkonen playing at times, on the first line? Why do we have so many players playing out of their position? Why have we seemed to have digressed in our talent over the past few years? I honestly can't figure out or understand how long term hockey men, supposed experts, like Bergevin and Dudley could get us to this place.