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  1. 57 minutes ago, Commandant said:

     

    He had 40 points last year in a shortened season.  Why is he a defensive defenceman?  He has two way skills 


    Thank you for pointing this out.

    Some posters so quick to throw shade without looking at the numbers. 
    all accounts are he is growing into offensive role and has been trending that way.

     

  2. 7 hours ago, Commandant said:

    Anderson really struggled last season and wants a long term deal at big money.  I get David Clarkson vibes where he had a good year once and hes big and strong so he gets overrated.

     

    I think hes fine as a third liner but if you think hes a difference maker, youll get burned.


    Excellent summary/point. Hit the nail on the head.

     

    Having seen quite a few jackets games, Mostly from 2015-18/19, he is impressive and I like his style (when he was healthy) but indeed not a stable top 6 guy, can fill in there when needed but wouldn’t want to depend on it entering a season.

    on third line he can be pretty dominant but is sporadic in top 6.  And I feel we already have plenty of these players as a whole and on the right side I’d say that is Armia.
    Seems everyone knows Habs are short a top 6 RW.
     

    Think a 1A/1B approach is interesting if they get that missing piece, chase the cup window.

    something like:

    1A)Tuna-Danault-Gally (proven Commodity)

    1B)Drouin-Suzuki-Missing top 6 RW

    3)Lehks-KK-Armia (reunite the Finns)

    4)Poehling/Weal-Evans/Poehling-Byron (too lazy to search who plays which side, but decent 4th line to play 12 min/game, ease Poehling into C role, see what he’s got)

     

    So IMO: Domi has to go, ideally packaged to get back a top 6 RW...
    Imagine Hall (Dreaming, I know), Toffoli or Dadonov (Laine obv omg) on that 1B line with Suzuki and Drouin? I think that lineup can contend given the (IMO) improvements on the back end as of now.
    Obv a lot easier said than done, but have to think Domi has some appeal, and we have a lot of mid level d prospects (thinking Fleury, Brook, Mete), throw in that #16 and go balls deep for a season, I may be totally over valuing our offer since 16th pick doesn’t seem to be getting traction as per Bergy. My risk-rich morning Jumble of thoughts haha.

     

  3. 7 hours ago, Trizzak said:

    Is it possible he could be bought out? I'm not sure why he agreed to be moved to Detroit.

     

    Unless his plan is to get traded at the deadline to a contender, maybe?


    Good point, think I read something where he commented he’d rather play where he is wanted.

     

    Pretty sure he was scratched a lot last year.
    the deadline trade idea makes sense though, wonder if that thought enters players minds and if so, how big a factor it is.

     

  4. 11 hours ago, sbhatt said:

     

    Why on earth would you saddle Suzuki, who seems like he might have #1C potential, with a winger who is NOT a first-liner by any stretch of the imagination?  If this happens, it's only because our GM has falied YET AGAIN to get the legitimate top line scoring winger this team desperately needs.

     

    P.S.   Just watched Sergachev score, and I have to say it....the more I watch Sergachev play, the worse the trade looks.  MB straight-up got screwed.


    After thinking on it a second, I see this point. We’d be jeopardizing Suzuki’s development by expecting him to succeed with a consistently inconsistent winger in Drouin.
    Suzuki and KK should be surrounded with skill, and consistent professionalism, effort.

     

    I honestly do not understand these posts about how Drouin can excel “if this or that”, when the proof is already there. 

    He is not a prospect, he is a 7-ish year veteran, and the only stable trend is that he disappears for too long far too frequently.

    I thought he was going to rise to his talent level potential when coming to Mtl and said all of the right things, Which I believe he believes, so I don’t think it is anything conscious on his part, as much as ingrained behaviour. He calculates his odds of success on any given play and generally only pushes himself when the odds are favourable (we’ve seen times when he proves this theory wrong and damn he is a presence, but it rarely lasts longer than a few games).

    The exact opposite of Gallagher (this is closest I have ever come to quantifying the logic of “heart”), who gives 100% regardless of the odds he will come out on top.
    IMO The calculated expenditure of energy used to work for elite players, but the NHL is far too fast, overall skill level too high now as compared to yesteryears.  Without 100% compete level 100% of time, you will not have consistent success.    Perhaps early age success hampers this development, maybe it is genetic.

    I think we all do it, but some people place more weight on it whether conscious or not. 

    I see this trait in Domi as well, which is why I am not a fan. Players like this are valuing individual reward more than the collective goal, but again I think it is subconscious.

    And also just having fun speculating, I’d far rather see these players (especially Drouin) have success with the Habs.

    The Sergachev trade does look worse and worse as time goes by though.  Hard not to call that one a loss.

     

  5. 18 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

     

    I don't think Petry has had any major injuries and he is such a smooth skater that he won't deteriorate as quickly as others.  Plus he loves Montreal and wants to be here. A good signing.


    Had same convo with a friend.

    his skating mechanics are excellent and will age well.

    If I recall he did have a knee injury a while back but seems to be pretty sturdy, knows when to expose himself and when to hold back and play it safer when it comes to physicality.

    I admittedly did not see the potential when he was acquired but have grown to really like him and he’s one of my top 5 current Habs to watch and has been on my fantasy roster for past few years. He’s a stud.

    edited to add I love the part about him and his family enjoying Mtl and him handling the enviro well, not all can do that in big markets.  Worst case he gets dealt before his last year or stays on as a PP specialist, third pairing guy.  Pretty sure cap will be up again by end of his contract to boot.

    youngsters coming up on d will still be on cheap contracts, rose coloured glasses here today.

  6. 21 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

     

    He got his points, but it still was not sufficient for the team to win. It is the Ovi from before their Stanley cup.


    Seems their goaltending was a major flaw this year all around as well.

     

    Would love to see Ovi laying people out and sniping one timers in the bleu, blanc et rouge.

     

     

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  7. 6 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

    Thanks for educating me on the US NTDP situation, I don't follow it myself. 

     

    Romaov's value is clearly tied to his World Juniors accomplishments.  Outside of those, he's just ok.  He's not playing meaningful minutes in the KHL.  Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm going on whats being said on here about him.


    Obv. no expert here but have read reports from those who do this for a living that Romanov was underused in KHL as it was known he would not be back this year so his playing time was affected by that, but apparently increased as the stakes were getting higher.

    Recall an interview with Markov where he had praised Romanov quite heavily as well, hard to argue with the general. (Was it general?)

     

    interesting points all around though. I am quite excited to see how he performs as he appears to be highly competitive and has an edge.

    my fearless prediction is that he is on top pair with Weber before too long next season. 
    Hopefully Weber grooms him a la Josi given the high praise Josi had for the impact Weber had on his development.

     

  8. 14 hours ago, DON said:

    OK, ill bite, what is HBP?

     

    Poehling hasnt seemed ready yet, but it seems Evans is above him in depth chart...for now. And playing bit of wing wont hurt either of them.

    Assume Weise is gone, will Habs deal for a older Nate Thompson-type (Wayne Simmonds?)?


    That’s kind of how I see it, but was curious whether the organization would be patient with him or try to push him along.

     

  9. 59 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

     

    What is really troubling about Mad Max is that this is the second NHL organization for which he's started strong, then faded in year two, then been put on the block.

     

    That's not a good sign.


    Good point, like the employee who shines during probationary period, has a great attitude and then they settle into old habits.

     

    As far as other teams knowing about this, if we’re talking about it and has been mentioned on other sites, it is out there.

    Bergy May be stubborn, refuse to take the pile of pucks that will be offered and end up keeping Max...? Fun to speculate.

     

  10. Any thoughts on how this affects Poehling’s ability to crack roster? 
    I kind of thought he may be 4th line centre/wing...??? 
    Assuming he brings his best game to camp, is there room for him as is? Seems like that would mean he’d be on the wing,  again assuming he impresses.
     

  11. 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

    I thought Habs29's point was pretty fair. It's been a prospect desert in Montreal since Gally came up. Nice to see Suze and, to a lesser degree, KK, changing that narrative.


    I see both sides, but what it underscores for me is how much of a crap shoot the majority of draft picks really are.

    Habs have had some highly touted, well ranked prospects that never lived up to the expectations.

    This is why I was personally against any idea of tanking for a chance at a higher draft pick (excluding the #1 pick though, but the odds were so small I didn’t think the gamble was worth the price of seeing Suzuki, KK and our dmen step up, as well as Price reminding us he is the real king by getting a little playin/playoff hockey).

    The bird in the hand versus two in the bush type conversation, good points both ways.

  12. 11 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    Habs GAA is largely Price pitching shutouts.  That's not what i call a dominating D shutting down the other team.  Yep. St. Louis gave up 22 g, but is that entirely on the D, or is a large part of it they didn't get the goaltending this year?  ON the other hand, our GAA, was entirely Price.  I'd consider the knights D to be above average.  Dallas, again, have had mixed goal tending performances and they have one of the top 5 dmen in the game right now.  I'd take Columbus, Caroina's D over ours as well.  


     Now if Romanov works his way into top 4 or top pairing, than I think we are significantly improved.  But, i'd like a young dman who can skate and control the play and I'm not sure we have anyone in the pipeline.


    You obviously don’t watch many Caroline, Columbus games.

    or any of this teams you are raving about.

    Knights?

    c’mon you’re just hating on the Habs here cause you’re complaints are not based in fact.

     

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  13. 11 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    Habs GAA is largely Price pitching shutouts.  That's not what i call a dominating D shutting down the other team.  Yep. St. Louis gave up 22 g, but is that entirely on the D, or is a large part of it they didn't get the goaltending this year?  ON the other hand, our GAA, was entirely Price.  I'd consider the knights D to be above average.  Dallas, again, have had mixed goal tending performances and they have one of the top 5 dmen in the game right now.  I'd take Columbus, Caroina's D over ours as well.  


     Now if Romanov works his way into top 4 or top pairing, than I think we are significantly improved.  But, i'd like a young dman who can skate and control the play and I'm not sure we have anyone in the pipeline.


    price was not the leader in shutouts this season, he started as many games as Helybuck and had fewer shutouts, also few than Rask, Merlizkins, Fleury...

    hes a stud, but not winning games just by pitching shutouts, or lowering team gaa that way either.

    your point is based on false information.

    he also played way more games that all of those goalies other than helybuck.

    backup goalie solution will help The whole team this year.
    goalie, d are not the problem.

    scoring goals is.

     

  14. 11 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    Habs GAA is largely Price pitching shutouts.  That's not what i call a dominating D shutting down the other team.  Yep. St. Louis gave up 22 g, but is that entirely on the D, or is a large part of it they didn't get the goaltending this year?  ON the other hand, our GAA, was entirely Price.  I'd consider the knights D to be above average.  Dallas, again, have had mixed goal tending performances and they have one of the top 5 dmen in the game right now.  I'd take Columbus, Caroina's D over ours as well.  


     Now if Romanov works his way into top 4 or top pairing, than I think we are significantly improved.  But, i'd like a young dman who can skate and control the play and I'm not sure we have anyone in the pipeline.


    Haha ignoring stats is so convenient.

    classic post where Price kicking ass is nothing, but a group a d are the be all end all?
    Price has amazing playoff gaa this year, but it isn’t due the amazing d played by the top 4? 
     

    Habs d is solid, goaltending Is world class.

     

    the lack of scoring is what kills this team.  
     

    Dadanov is a good idea.

     

  15. 20 hours ago, DON said:

    with Oilers 0.73pts/gm

    with Isles   0.62pts/gm

    (But obviously Edmonton was not a well run organization at all when he was there.)


    haha love that.

    so many posters make bold statements without even consulting the facts.

    Eberle would get run out of Mtl by disappearing for chunks of the year.

     

     

     

  16. 11 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    Oh, i agree we need help on the wing and ideally a top liner, but i'd also like a young elite dman who will dominate for the next 10 years. We are in a unique situation. We've had Chelios, Desjardins (another guy we should never have moved), Markov, Subban as young dmen who we developed and we've had Roy, Theodore, Price in net.  But until now we have lacked young centre men and I think we may have them in Suzuki and KK. I'd also like us to get that young dominating dman as well.


    That makes no sense, Habs have dominating dman now with solid chance that Romanov becomes a dominating young dman.

    Habs now have one of the best d core in the league and eapecially solid top 4.

    who cares if they are not young as you’d like, they still have 2-3 years of dominating dmen, which coincides with Price still being elite.

    Bitching about not having a young, dominating dman is stupid given how long it takes d to Flourish/mature.

    Also stupid given that it isn’t even true.

  17. 8 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    I think he may be the perfect guy to roll the dice and timing may be perfect.  I think Domi would be an overpay, but I’d be trying to get Broberg or Bouchard as part of the deal.would give us high end D prospects that should be no lower than top 4 when they are ready.  
     

    qould also allow us to have prospects that are exempt from the expansion draft.


    why would even want to “roll the dice” on a guy you picture in top 6? That makes no sense, roll the dice in bottom 6, not top 6.

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  18. 6 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    I think he may be the perfect guy to roll the dice and timing may be perfect.  I think Domi would be an overpay, but I’d be trying to get Broberg or Bouchard as part of the deal.would give us high end D prospects that should be no lower than top 4 when they are ready.  
     

    qould also allow us to have prospects that are exempt from the expansion draft.


    we have excellent d currently and solid d prospects coming up, so many we can’t make room for them all without moving someone.

    we don not want edmonton défense.

  19. 3 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    I think he’s not only got potential to crack the 2nd line, but be a top line winger.  I think Edmonton is a toxic environment.  Even Eberle was regressing there.  I think playing overseas he’s got his confidence back and he may take the same time of step KK did.  He really reminds me a lot of Markus Naslund who I really liked before he went to the Canucks. I wouldn’t try and make a 1 for 1 deal.  I think if we help out the oilers cap situation by taking a guy like Neal, Domi and Byron would be attractive to a team that wants NHL ready players and may give up one of their prizes D prospects. I don’t think that would be enough so you add the first rounder. Oilers may not want/need it, but it gives the. Currency to fill other holes.


    That’s terrible idea.

    there are known assets currently in the NHL available.

    Can’t believe there is anyone interested in Pulijarvi at all.
    Shows why we aren’t in the business haha.

    There is obviously good cause for teamA that spend millions on pro scouting to have not touched the guy, and he isn’t that young.
    Say what you want about Edmonton being toxic but Mtl will chew that kid up with the microcosm of being a hab, especially one who would come in with a lot of debate, criticism and skepticism, and some optimism but his track record doesn’t scream out that he has risen to a challenge in the past so doubt he would here and we’d be screaming to ship him out/send him to Laval.

    so many try NHL’ers to be talked about, this is a waste of time.

     

  20. 4 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    That’s why I’d rather move our pick and Domi for high end prospects closer to KK and Suzuki’s age, should be ready faster.

    Agreed, There will

    be some coming off

    /ending entry Level deals that would have a more immediate impact, be a more es ta blushed commodity to evaluate as well.

    learning to play pro is a big deal. Not every player adjusts as well or at all. It’s a grind, have family and friends who couldn’t cut the lifestyle (semi-pro, AHL type that Had a shot at the show, but couldn’t bring it every night with the travel, skilled competition every shift, physical/mental tolls.)
    Prospects like mentioned have been through it and could make the step Up and contribute quicker.
     

  21. 9 hours ago, John B said:

    I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Puuljujarvi, but I don't want to see the Habs pay what it would probably take to get him out of Edmonton.  It's really hard to pin down his value.  Hard to know what his ceiling might be.  Likely middle 6.  If Edmonton were willing to take a 3rd rounder and a conditional pick based on Puuljujarvi's performance (point totals), I wouldn't be opposed to it.  The idea for buyers is to not overpay, while the seller wants to get fair value as well.


    Habs need a consistent scoring threat, not Pulijarvi or whatever it is.

    Why open the door to another project when there are proven commodities available and we have the budget, cap flexibility to get a proven commodity.

    pulijarvi has had a shot, many shots and doesn’t even dominate in AHL, the last thing the Habs need is more middle 6 depth, we got that is spades.

    so many better options, not sure why anyone even thinks of this dud.

     

    a top set of wingers mentioned above of Gallagher (love but know his lifespan is dwindling quickly) Drouin ( no thanks, too inconsistentent), Caulfield (looks great but too early to call and small AF), pulijarvi ? WTF would make anyone think he will be reliable and this group of forwards would be a joke to play against other than Gallagher, would be boxed out all the time.

    Brutal tip four wingers there.

    Add on the financial impact of taking on bad contract? We don’t need an Oilers dman, our d is solid for another 2-3 seasons- especially next season.

     

     

  22. 11 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:

    So here's a idea when it comes to a Domi trade. Would people be upset if Bergevin packages Domi and our 16th pick to move into the to 10 if there was a top scoring winger available to be picked?  I think that they're some good winger's available in free agency that maybe we don't need to trade for one. But we could trade up to try and draft another young scoring winger. Just food for thought.


    Don’t like.

    from what I’ve ready none of the scoring wingers in the draft will be impactful next season or the year after.

    That is too long for the Habs, whether admitted or not they have a 1-2 year window if they add immediate, consistent scoring.

    Both on PP and 5v5.

    I believe this means a trade or free agent target.

    other posters have mentioned many of the names. Plus, I think there will be more opportunity for this than usual given the economic downturn for the league.

     

    This is huge given they also have cap flexibility to do it and a kick ass wall of défense (again in a window)

    immediate scoring help is not coming Via draft unless you have #1.

    Immediate scoring help is all that keeps the Habs from being a cup contender with current d/goalie/core forwards (including Danault, not Domi)

  23. 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

     

    Agree. The Habs seem to be banking an awful lot on Eyeontheprize's analysis of how Edmundson plays under a zone D system.And maybe it'll work out, at least until Julien is fired. But in the context of this constrained marketplace, that seems a mighty generous contract for a guy who will likely not have teams banging down the door to pay him over $4 mil.

     

    Of course he hasn't signed yet. But i don't like the rumour much.
     

    When you think they traded a meaningful pick just to have an edge in signing him...they must really like this guy.

     

    I know MB signed Petry, and thank God. But if you look at the kind of d-man he seems to prioritize, it's Weber, Alzner, Chiarot, now Edmunson - even though Petry and Kulak were every bit as important to the little playoff run we had as were Chiarot and Weber. MB threw away Sergachev and Markov and couldn’t play hardball enough with Subban before shipping him out. I'm not crazy about this apparent preference for D-men who resemble the player Bergevin was over guys who can skate, move the puck, and create from the back end, especially on a team starved for offence. 


    “meaningful pick”?

    was it not a fifth rounder in a draft year that we have a surplus of better picks?

    hardly seems meaningful.

    A chance to lock down Another dman who can protect Price is worth that, at least until we can see the results of the up and coming d in the system.

     

    people were bashing Chiarot pickup too, but he provided quality play and added Price protection capabilities we’d been sorely lacking.

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