Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 I don't think that we over paid at all. We have a quality forward in Tanguay. Can you imagine what our line up will look like if Bob manages to sign Sundin as well? Gainey sees the opportunity and he is going for it. I for one am ecstatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Sundin, Plekanec, Koivu. Is that too many roosters in the hen-house? Perhaps the agreed upon price for a signed, sealed and delivered Sundin is one Plekanec. Certainly makes a lot of sense. I can pretty much guarantee you that we are not giving them Plekanec. The player we give as compensation would be a David Fischer or a young roster player like Lapierre and I think Grabovski is a big possibility here, I see the Leafs having interest in him. I do like the move though Tanguay doesn't excite me that much, he is pretty much a very good second liner or your average first line guy. What he does is provide additional scoring and he gives us enough depth to form three strong attacking lines - and he might even prove to be a good addition to our average PK. If we add Sundin AND Tanguay, I think that would be awesome. That would give us three FULL great lines and would mean our fourth line would be a combination of Chipchura, Lapierre, Grabovski, D'agostini, Kostopoulos, Begin and Dandenault. That's unbelievable forward depth and it may mean letting Brisebois walk and shifting Dandy back as a #7 or 8 defenceman. Adding both of these two forwards - Tanguay who I would expect to provide between 60 and 80 points, Sundin who I would expect 70-90 - to our team would make us the top team in the league in my opinion, even though it entails us giving up on Streit and using O'Byrne as his replacement. Our D is good enough to afford losing Streit and the PP will be just as strong, with these two new additions. The forward depth is just too deep ignore - combine that with our two, great young goalies and how stacked we are in young D and we find ourselves in great shape for the next few years. Tanguay is our C replacement of the future for Koivu, and incidentally, they are both similar players. Next offseason will be huge for us though as Koivu, Kovalev and potentially Sundin would all be unrestricted free agents, as well as Higgins and Komisarek though they are likely to be given extensions before the end of the season. Plekanec will be a RFA and will be ready to command a big raise and I think Price might be in line for a new contract as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Jeez ! Kovy - Sundin - Tanguay Kost - Plex - Kost Higgins - Saku - Tender Begin - Lapierre - anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Jeez ! Kovy - Sundin - Tanguay Kost - Plex - Kost Higgins - Saku - Tender Begin - Lapierre - anyone Mine would be Tanguay-Sundin-Kovalev Higgins-Plekanec-Andrei Latendresse-Koivu-Sergei Lapierre-Chipchura-D'agostini (insert Begin and Kostopoulos against physical teams and use Grabovski primarily as an injury reserve but also if we need to shake hings up and add some offensive punch to our team - something I can't see happening) I would have no problem with swapping Tanguay and Higgins in this lineup as well, I switched them because I'd like to see that Higgins-Plekanec-Kostitsyn line again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am not sure why I keep reading Alex Tanguay had down year for the Flames with 18 goals and 40 assists Tanguay is a proven defensive player - who can get maybe 20 goals a season. His output last year was in line with other years - he has been a very consistent player all 9 years in the league. Just a solid pickup - I dont know about the salary (is is really 5.5 million?) but this definetly upgrades the forwards. Now if that Sundin thing happens ... Tanguay has had seasons of 25, 26, 27 and 29 goals. With the exception of last year(playing Under Adolf Keenan) , Tanguay had seasons of 67, 78, 79 and 81 points. The Montreal style of play is perfect for Tanguay, he said it himself today in an Interview on RDS. He also mentionned that he was relally happy to be back in Québec. If Tanguay can avoid serious injuries and can play 75 games next season, i expect him to get at least 75 points! He's definitely worth the 5.25 million $! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Wow, I'm stunned by this turn of events. Tanguay and the rights to Sundin. The keys will be to see if we can sell Sundin on perhaps playing between Tanguay and Kovalev and do we have enough cap space to sign him. So, I admit I don't know how the bonus's thing works but can part of what we pay Sundin this year be carried over to next season? If so, it just makes our chances of signing Sundin better. I feel like I just won a lottery You can say that again!! I feel the same way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Jeez ! Kovy - Sundin - Tanguay Kost - Plex - Kost Higgins - Saku - Tender Begin - Lapierre - anyone Mine would be Tanguay-Sundin-Kovalev Higgins-Plekanec-Andrei Latendresse-Koivu-Sergei Lapierre-Chipchura-D'agostini (insert Begin and Kostopoulos against physical teams and use Grabovski primarily as an injury reserve but also if we need to shake hings up and add some offensive punch to our team - something I can't see happening) I don't know if I'd put Kovy Sundin and Tanguay on the same line(don't put all your eggs in the same basket!) . I'd try Latendresse on the 1st line With Kovy and Sindin. Tell the kid to park his big butt in front of the Goalie, and I guarantee he'll score 30 goals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I don't know if I'd put Kovy Sundin and Tanguay on the same line(don't put all your eggs in the same basket!) . I'd try Latendresse on the 1st line With Kovy and Sindin. Tell the kid to park his big butt in front of the Goalie, and I guarantee he'll score 30 goals! I don't really consider Tanguay much better than Koivu, Plekanec, Higgins and Andrei Kostitsyn so to me, it still leaves a whole lot of talent on the other lines. I don't mind using Tanguay on the second line, I just don't think he should be used with Koivu since they are way too similar. I would give each of them finishers to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Tanguay would work lovely with a shooting centre like Sundin. Tanguay - Sundin - S Kost A Kost - Plex - Kovy Higgins - Koivu - Latendresse Begin - Lapierre - Kostopolous Grabs, Chips Why break up the successful first line of last year? The only downside right now is getting Lats to switch wings, because we have 5 LWers in our starting lineup and Lats should play with good linemates next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehabbit Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 (edited) It's awesome the habs just added Tanguay, a 75 point player added to the highest scoring team in the league with no subtraction. Instantly upgrades all of the lines. If our man Gainey adds Sundin, the team will score 300 plus goals no problem. Probably does mean we lose Streit and his 60 plus points which does matter consider he was the third leading scorer and a good power play man, although he may resign for less and play a more specialist role just to be a part of a great team. If the team looks like this, we will be unanimous East favorites: Tanguay-Sundin-Kovalev Higs-Pleks-AKost Lats-Koivu-SKost Begin-Chipchura-Lapierre Kostopolous, D'Agostini Markov-Komi Hamrlik-O'Byrne Gorges-Valentenko (Not sure but I bet we add a veteran D at the deadline) Price, Halak This time an infusion of youth at the bottom and veterans at the top. Sounds perfect. Price better get used to long stretches between shots. We've got a stacked first line but what makes us great is what backs it up. If we dont get Sundin just flip in Koivu to the top line and bump up Chips to the third, we become a more defensive team and probably add a veteran centre at the deadline. Habs will duke it out with Pittsburgh and Philly next year and maybe others depending on where UFAs land. It's a great time to be a Habs fan Go :hlogo: Go Edited June 22, 2008 by thehabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I voted Montreal should keep the 25th pick. Calgary got a very good player at that spot. HOWEVER.... I changed my mind as Tanguay said he was glad to be a Habs. He removed his no trade to go to the Habs, and is looking at an extension. I sure hope the BullSh.t French Media leave this guy alone as he wants to be a Habs and is not an over the hill useless player looking to retire like the type Leafs trade for. This is not a 1 year rental which changed my mind on the trade. Bob Gainey made the first Excellent trade for our Habs and now I am pleased. (I can admit when I am wrong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 If we don't get Sundin I'm sure that Koivu will start the season as Tanguay's centre, but I would not be shocked if at some point Tanguay is asked to try playing centre again. Higs-Plek-Kost S. Kost-Tanguay-Kovalev Lat-Koivu-(Vet forward that we'd pick up with the non-Sundin money) I'm not sure if that is the best allocation of resources, but it might be an interesting experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 This is not a 1 year rental which changed my mind on the trade. Bob Gainey made the first Excellent trade for our Habs and now I am pleased. (I can admit when I am wrong) Alex Kovalev to Montreal for Joseph Balej and a 2004 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Alex Kovalev to Montreal for Joseph Balej and a 2004 2nd round pick. Outside of Kovalev showing up last year during the season the trade didnt impress me. Hopefully he shows up this year then the trade will be a steal for the Habs. ( I never get giddy over one-year-wonders) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Outside of Kovalev showing up last year during the season the trade didnt impress me. Hopefully he shows up this year then the trade will be a steal for the Habs. ( I never get giddy over one-year-wonders) getting a top 6 forward for a busted prospect and a 2nd round pick? tough to do better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Kovy works hard to stay in good physical shape and his game is based on finesse more than speed or power, so I see him playing longer than most guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 (edited) Kovy has had two out of three seasons for us where he scored roughly a point per game and was our most electrifying offensive player. In return for Bajej and a pick? I'd say that's pretty f**king good! (Anybody know who the pick turned out to be?) Nonetheless, you can kiss Kovy goodbye after next season. Bob will probably sign Tanguay long-term and any further dollars will be directed to keeping as many young guns as possible. Edited June 22, 2008 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 (edited) Outside of Kovalev showing up last year during the season the trade didnt impress me. Hopefully he shows up this year then the trade will be a steal for the Habs. ( I never get giddy over one-year-wonders) i've got a really bad feeling that we are going to lose Higgins if Sundin signs. With the exception of the Kovy trade, Gainey tends to not only overpay in trades, but also overpay in his FA signings. I will be really pissed if we lose Higgins and pick up Sundin (who was a FA in 12 days anyways), and picked up Tanguay. Higgins has way more upside then Tangauy and is a much more complete player. I'd even say giving up someone like Lapierre is too much for the SUndin signing, but he is the othe guy i see the leafs wanting. If all we are giving Grabovsky or even the cube, i'd be ok with that, but i can't see the leafs being satisfied with just picking up those guys - even if they are trading the rights of a guy who was going to walk. Teams are overpaying for negotiating rights and gainey has a history of overpaying. Edited June 22, 2008 by hab29RETIRED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 i've got a really bad feeling that we are going to lose Higgins if Sundin signs. With the exception of the Kovy trade, Gainey tends to not only overpay in trades, but also overpay in his FA signings. I will be really pissed if we lose Higgins and pick up Sundin (who was a FA in 12 days anyways), and picked up Tanguay. Higgins has way more upside then Tangauy and is a much more complete player. I'd even say giving up someone like Lapierre is too much for the SUndin signing, but he is the othe guy i see the leafs wanting. If all we are giving Grabovsky or even the cube, i'd be ok with that, but i can't see the leafs being satisfied with just picking up those guys - even if they are trading the rights of a guy who was going to walk. Teams are overpaying for negotiating rights and gainey has a history of overpaying. Craig Rivet to San Jose for 1st Round pick + Josh Gorges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 i've got a really bad feeling that we are going to lose Higgins if Sundin signs. With the exception of the Kovy trade, Gainey tends to not only overpay in trades, but also overpay in his FA signings. I will be really pissed if we lose Higgins and pick up Sundin (who was a FA in 12 days anyways), and picked up Tanguay. Higgins has way more upside then Tangauy and is a much more complete player. I'd even say giving up someone like Lapierre is too much for the SUndin signing, but he is the othe guy i see the leafs wanting. If all we are giving Grabovsky or even the cube, i'd be ok with that, but i can't see the leafs being satisfied with just picking up those guys - even if they are trading the rights of a guy who was going to walk. Teams are overpaying for negotiating rights and gainey has a history of overpaying. There is no way that will happen Gainey will not give up any current young member of this team for Sundin. Higgins as much as he grinds my gears with all of his lies is an important cog in this teams future and by giving him the "A" last year (way to early) shows how much he means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 There is no way that will happen Gainey will not give up any current young member of this team for Sundin. Higgins as much as he grinds my gears with all of his lies is an important cog in this teams future and by giving him the "A" last year (way to early) shows how much he means. "All of his lies?" Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Thank you BOb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 "All of his lies?" Huh? I am a 40 40 man. Dissapointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am a 40 40 man. Dissapointed. Well, I don't think he was lying. I think he's learned that it's harder to be a 40/40 man than he thought. He just has to learn to take his time instead of hurrying the play so much. If so he may yet hit 40. Either way, he remains a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Well, I don't think he was lying. I think he's learned that it's harder to be a 40/40 man than he thought. He just has to learn to take his time instead of hurrying the play so much. If so he may yet hit 40. Either way, he remains a good player. He is a good player but with his heart and what he CAN do he can be great. I am sure he will have better numbers this season if not he is just an American Jan Bulis which is not so bad as long as he never gets too cocky, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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