puck7x Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Its the off-season , might as well make one of these to spark a conversation Note : Prospects excluded (unless they have a shot at making the habs) Centres Koivu *Bulis Perreault Ribeiro Juneau *Kilger *Hossa Gratton * = If they are used as a centre Left Wingers Zednik Bulis Hossa Kilger *Ryder Dwyer Right Wingers Zednik (If used as RW) Audette Ward Sundstrom *Ryder Dackell RD Brisebois (if still around... YEAH RIGHT!) Rivet Quintal Komisarek LD Markov Souray Quintal (if used as LD) Hainsey (if he makes the habs) Dykhuis Bouillon Traverse Beauchemin Goalies (Easiest one to do) Theodore Garon Whats my point? Dont really have one... Just felt like posting a depth chart ... We really need help in ALOT of areas. lol [Edited on 2003/6/7 by puck7x] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsaku Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Centres Koivu Ribeiro Bulis Higgins Hossa Juneau Kilger Perreault Gratton Left Wingers Zednik Bulis Hossa Ryder Kilger Dwyer Right Wingers Zednik Ward Perezhogin Audette Sundstrom Ryder Dackell RD Rivet Komisarek Brisebois Quintal LD Markov Hainsey Quintal Souray Beauchemin Dykhuis Bouillon Traverse Goalies Theodore Garon I personnally dont think we need help in a lot of areas, in fact let me dare say were OK. We all know well go only as far as Theodore, so why not play the kids since alot of them are ready or close. Remember '86 everyone. Higgins and Perezhogin: Fast, Defensively responsible, strong on skates, near 200 Pounds, near 6', good hands, good playmaking, good shot. Perezhogin played very good on a 4th line in the 2nd strongest league in the world, he was even named to the nationnal team but was sick. Higgins simply dominated college and is a very mature player. Look for them to have impressive camps. Id put my money on Perezhogin though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markov79 Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 We're not ok, we lack real solid nhl players that can perform on a daily basis. I hope Gainey watched A LOT of videotapes this month to see how much we blew last year. [Edited on 2003/6/8 by Markov79] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habitual_hab Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 If Gainey doesn't make wholesale changes and goes into next year's campaign with the same sad bunch of underachievers then he's really going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat and make a large portion of this team overachieve in order for the team as a whole to be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck7x Posted June 9, 2003 Author Share Posted June 9, 2003 Habsaku said : Look for them to have impressive camps. Id put my money on Perezhogin though. First we need to sign Perezhogin... And I dunno even know if thats going to happen THIS year (Hope so). July 15th deadline right? Habitual said : If Gainey doesn't make wholesale changes and goes into next year's campaign with the same sad bunch of underachievers then he's really going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat and make a large portion of this team overachieve in order for the team as a whole to be successful. Its going to be tough for Gainey to unload our garbage , since most of it is expensive ... Instead of worrying about this season think about the 2004-2005 season (if we dont lockout) , next summer a crapload (literally) of habs players become UFA's , Czerkawski , Juneau , Dackell , Perreault , McKay 2004-2005 is going to be a GREAT season (if it happens) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAussiePosse Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 What's Czerkawski doing missing from the list? He is still trade bait. He hasn't left for Europe yet. I still count him as part of the team. I wonder if he'll get another chance at training camp. I think we need to get another RD prospect. We don't have enough, especially with Brisebois leaving. Rivet, Quintal and Hainsey aren't enough, compared to our 8 LDs. Juneau will leave next year as a UFA, because I don't see us moving him successfully this year. Boston wouldn't want him back, neither would the Caps. He's too expensive for Buffalo, Ottawa's full up at centre, and Phoenix... Nah, not in Gretzky's plans. Dackell will go cheap. I wonder if Calgary will take him... McKay, well, we'll see what he does this coming season. If he realizes he needs to pick up the pace, and he does, then maybe we'll resign him. I don't necessarily want to, but, again, we'll see how he does in camp. Perreault and Brisebois are trade bait. Let's hope we do something with them over the summer. And who likes the line Hossa-Ribeiro-Ward? I think 2nd line would do well with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClones Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 And who likes the line Hossa-Ribeiro-Ward? We can't have a line filled with rookies (or almost) as our second line... unless they were Lindros, Lemieux, and Selanne. These three will be very streaky, with their ups and downs, and will make their large share of mistakes. I think it's always good to mix experience and youth, even if on paper it doedn't look like you have the best line combinations. I would really like to see Ward given a chance at first line duties. He may not be a real first liner, but I think he would fit best playing with Koivu. Look at Arvedson in Ottawa, he ain't first line material either but he's been playing up there with Alfredsson for the last couple years (and with Todd White, who couldn't even play in the NHL 3 years ago). With the players we have, I think we could well balance our lines like this: Audette-Koivu-Ward Bulis-Ribeiro-Zednik Hossa-Juneau-Sundstrom Ryder-Gratton-McKay Markov-Rivet Komisarek-Brisebois Hainsey-Quintal Possible surprises: Kilger? Maybe Gainey will inspire him, and add some grit and toughness to his game. In this case, Kilger would become a very valuable member of this organization. He could replace Audette or Hossa, depending on how these 2 will play this season. Otherwise, he's pretty useless. Czerkawski? Ha ha ha.... I wouldn't take him back even if he played like he did in Long Island. He'd diappapear the moment we need him most. Perreault? If he stays, I dont have a clue of where he could play. Maybe make him a left winger, and play him with Koivu and Ward... that could be interesting... McKay? I have not totally lost faith in McKay. He did start the season with a foot fracture, and never took the time to completely heal it. When speed is not your best asset to start with, that can really kill your performances. I guess he could play with Juneau and Sundstrom to form a very effective third line, while Hossa would replace Audette... but I dont trust Hossa. Bouillon, Beauchemin, or Souray? If these guys get an amazing camp, management will have a hard time selecting 6 guys to play every night. Maybe Hainsey can go, but unless he's terrible, he must play on a permanent basis. He's a big part of our future. Traverse: Ha ha ha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs77 Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Originally posted by CerebusClonesWith the players we have, I think we could well balance our lines like this: Audette-Koivu-Ward Bulis-Ribeiro-Zednik Hossa-Juneau-Sundstrom Ryder-Gratton-McKay The 1st line I had Hossa-Koivu-Audette... Audette because we're stuck with him and he's absolutely useless if not on the top lines. Hossa because I want decent size somewhere on this line, but also at least one winger who can skate with Koivu. I do like Ward on the 1st line, but in your scenario that would send Audette to his off-wing and he's having enough trouble as it is getting going that he doesn't need this extra hurdle. Plus both wingers would be of the slow variety, which I also want to avoid. If let's say Audette goes into another slump and is benched/sent down/bought out/traded then I'd try Hossa-Koivu-Ward... see how things go with Koivu finally playing with 2 bigger guys, 1 with speed, the other with grit. The 2nd line is exactly what I'm hoping for. Don't mind the 3rd line... depends on what the top lines look like and who's left. If Audette is there and the 2 top lines are as I suggested... Hossa would not be available. I'd then go with either Kilger is Gainey has managed to wake him up (big if) if not then Ryder. Bulis and then Hossa have played that LW spot on Juneau's line and come out with a good sense of defensive responsiblity... this is the last year for Juneau so one last chance to teach another youngster. Then if Ryder is on the 3rd line... the 4th line would look like Dwyer-Gratton/Kilger-McKay. Btw I'm not a big Hossa fan either... emotionless, invisible for the major portion of his games last year, disappointing in the AHL playoffs this year (was benched for a few games)... the way he was red hot for 5 games then disappeared reminds of Kilger... that's as big an insult as I can think of Markov-RivetKomisarek-Brisebois Hainsey-Quintal No way will Breezer still be around.. just no way. And if by any chance he is he won't be playing with Komi since they both play RD. Of the 4 RDs, Quintal switched sides last year and that's what would happen again. Markov-Rivet Souray-Komisarek Hainsey-Quintal If Breezer is traded for another D man, obviously that changes everything but I'll deal with that when it happens. Hainsey would probably be bumped off... and Quintal would switch to the left side like last year. I hope that doesn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClones Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Well, I really don't like Audette, and as you mentionned we're pretty much stuck with him on the first line. As for Ward, he's also a RW. In my lineup, one of them would have to play the off-side, and I just prefer giving the kid a better chance. In theory, the vet should adapt more easily. However, if we do trade Brisebois, which wont be that easy with a 4M salary, then I hope it's for a good LW. Then we more options and someone else can play with Koivu and Ward. IMO opinion, Audette shouldn't even play with Montreal next year. Do anything to give him away, or let him rot in the AHL... but realistically, the Habs wont want him down there, so I put him on my roster. Coming back to Brisebois, if we can't get fair value in return, we should keep him. He should however be giving the role he's made for, and that's a power play specialist. He should get reduced ice-time on 5 on 5, no time at all during the PK as he doen't belong there, and solidify the second PP unit (markov is the man on the first unit, and should maybe be paired with Komi). He would be expensive for that role, but I think it's better than trading him for another Traverse/Dwyer/... As for the thrid line, I would also like to see Ryder there if he gets a good training camp. I didn't put him there in my roster because Im sure the Habs want to give Hossa more playing time than Ryder. Actually, Im pretty sure that overrated Hossa will end up on the first line, Ward on the forth (maybe third if he's lucky), and Ryder back in the AHL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAussiePosse Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 We thought last year would be a problem with the lines... This year is hell though. Here's my shot: Goalies: Theodore, Garon. Michaud and Tarasov in AHL Defense: Markov, Souray, Quintal, Rivet, Brisebois*, Komisarek. Traverse in AHL, Dykhuis gone (buy out before Traverse), Hainsey in AHL for call-ups, Bouillion in AHL for call-ups, Shasby in AHL, Archer in AHL, Beauchemin in AHL. * - Brisebois or replacement. Gainey might decide that Breezy is worth keeping, or that he can't get a good enough offer. I'm OK, so long as he doesn't suck next year. Left Wingers: Zednik (for the beginning anyway), Hossa, Bulis, Sundstrom, Kilger (or at C), Dwyer in AHL for callups against Big Teams. Perezhogin in AHL for callups, Ryder in AHL for callups, Blouin in AHL, Lindsay (if he stays) in AHL (but most likely is that he leaves) Centres: Koivu, Perreault, Ribeiro, Juneau, Kilger. Higgins in AHL for callups, Plekanec in AHL for callups. Perreault or Ribeiro could be traded, but only for something worthwhile. I'm actually a fan of putting Ribeiro on the 3rd line to become more defensively sound. Maybe with Bulis and Sundstrom, they could score too. Juneau needs to go, if not this year, then next as UFA. Kilger, Dwyer and McKay could be a scary line on 4th. Right Wingers: Audette, Czerkawski, Ward, McKay, Dackell. Balej in AHL for callups, Milroy in AHL, Thinel in AHL. Can Dackell be sent to the AHL? I wouldn't want to do it to him, but with the overcrowding... Here's a go at the start of the season, with no trades happening whatsoever: Forwards Czerkawski-Koivu-Audette Zednik-Ribeiro-Ward Bulis-Perreault-Sundstrom Hossa-Juneau-Dackell Dwyer-Kilger-McKay But 1st line is not defensive enough, 2nd is streaky, 3rd is OK, 4th is slow (but teaches Hossa defense), and 5th is physical, but not likely to get many games. I think that the loss of Czerkawski, Juneau, Dackell would be a start. If Czerk goes Intl., Dackell gets traded, and Juneau gets injured, it could work. However, Hossa is like Audette, in the way that he needs to be on the top 2 lines to be effective. If we work on successful parnerships (Koivu-Zednik, Bulis-Sundstrom, Ribeiro-Hossa {or Ward}, Juneau-Dackell, etc.), there might be a pattern that works. Defense: Markov-Rivet Quintal-Brisebois Souray-Komisarek 1st pairing were solid last season, and perhaps Rivet is stronger from the Canada win over the off-season. Quintal and Brisebois could work, as long as Brisebois (or his replacement) don't get scared or do stupid plays, like throwing the puck away. Souray and Komi would be good, pairing physical older D with physical younger D. I would like that very much. Dykhuis will be traded (he is too expensive for AHL). All we have left to see is what happens UFA-wise. Kilger, an RFA, could have his rights traded. Buffalo perhaps. Souray might not ever play another NHL game. Anything can happen from now to July 1 [Edited on 2003/6/12 by TheAussiePosse] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClones Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 Czerkawski-Koivu-Audette Zednik-Ribeiro-Ward Bulis-Perreault-Sundstrom Hossa-Juneau-Dackell Dwyer-Kilger-McKay If that's our first line, then is it very sad. Two major veteran floaters (who both played in your farm team the previous season) playing on your first line is just terrible. Second line might happen, but I ain't too crazy about it. I rather see Bulis instead of Ward, and Ward playing with Koivu. If Perreault is back in our lineup, I would defenitely make him play on the wing. Actually, maybe Perreault-Koivu-Ward would make a decent line... a little slow however... I dont see Dackell playing for us, unless we get many injuries, or most kids get awfull training camps. With Sundstrom being better defensively and offensively, there is just no need for him. Lemaire would probably love this guy on his team... And I hope we give McKay another chance. He was very effective not too long ago, he had a few good moments this year (Gilmour-Perreault-McKay was on fire for a while). He began the season with a foot fracture... never easy when you're an aging vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markov79 Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 A Zednik-Koivu-Ward line would be effective. A sniper, a crash-and-bang guy (hopefully) who has better hands than Kilger and a first-class playmaker who does everything at high speed. Then for your second line: Ribeiro-Perreault-Audette Playmaking with Ribeiro, sniping with Yanic and a bit of both with Audette For our checking line: Sundstrom-Kilger-Bulis I hate Kilger but we absolutely need a physical checker who can score more than 4-5 goals a year... For the 4th line I say put some youngsters: our tough guys suck and can't keep up with the rest of the league... Something like: Hossa-Higgins-Plekanec/Perezhogin The 4th line idea is never going to happen, as McKay will sadly get playing time but wouldn't it be great to be able to throw that much speed in the game vs the other team's 4th line for about 10 minutes a game? And on the PP alternate Hossa and Perezhogin for a winger to take the place of Ward of if someone just doesn't have it a certain night... Anyways the only thing that's for sure is that Koivu is our first line center....our best winger is Zednik, although it wouldn't susprise me to see Audette get more points this year if he continues to play like he did the final few games of this year... [Edited on 2003/6/14 by Markov79] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAussiePosse Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Originally posted by CerebusClones Czerkawski-Koivu-Audette Zednik-Ribeiro-Ward Bulis-Perreault-Sundstrom Hossa-Juneau-Dackell Dwyer-Kilger-McKay If that's our first line, then is it very sad. Two major veteran floaters (who both played in your farm team the previous season) playing on your first line is just terrible. It is sad, but maybe they'll improve. Audette got the idea, and while they're not the best, they're still here for another year. Second line might happen, but I ain't too crazy about it. I rather see Bulis instead of Ward, and Ward playing with Koivu. Like we all would. But right now we have a lot of bodies. If Perreault is back in our lineup, I would defenitely make him play on the wing. Actually, maybe Perreault-Koivu-Ward would make a decent line... a little slow however... Yes... One of the most soft players on our team, and, HEY, WAIT, the BEST faceoff man in the NHL... on wing. I dont see Dackell playing for us, unless we get many injuries, or most kids get awfull training camps. With Sundstrom being better defensively and offensively, there is just no need for him. Lemaire would probably love this guy on his team... I don't either, but he's the least of our worries And I hope we give McKay another chance. He was very effective not too long ago, he had a few good moments this year (Gilmour-Perreault-McKay was on fire for a while). He began the season with a foot fracture... never easy when you're an aging vet. Most likely, we will Better yet, put him on a line with Dwyer and Kilger, and we could have a good line. Just not any more han 10 minutes per game. Then they'll think they're Koivu #2, and that's not what we want I give $500 dollars to the next person to say cheese. I am completely honest, and I will pay in cash, and not black beans like those in the "Republic of Kozed" CHEESE!!! You can send it here: 32 Long Gulley Road Wobegong NSW Australia 5023 :/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 You cna't have lines like Ribiero-Perreault-Audette, they'd be -90 on the season. I have a feeling Perreault will be traded to a young team like Nashville or Columbus. My lines: Zednik-Koivu-Ward Bulis-Ribiero-Audette Sundtrum-Juneau-Hossa Dwyer/McKay-Kilger-Ryder Markov-Komisarek Hainsey-Rivet Souray/Bouillon-Dykhuis/Beauchemin When Higgins is ready, Ribiero gets bumped down to scratch status. Perezhogin will push to replace Audette and will end up as our 1st line LW with Zednik on the 2nd. If Hossa can show consistency and better intensity, he could move to 2nd line LW and Bulis could shift back to the 3rd line (where he can be an excellent checker and impact performer ala John Madden). There is also a possibility that by the end of the season Ryder might beat out Sundstrum for 3rd line duties. So, by the end of the season (assuming Perezhogin signs) Perezhogin-Koivu-Ward Bulis/Hossa-Higgins-Zednik Sundtrum/Ryder-Juneau-Hossa/Bulis Dwyer/McKay-Kilger-Ryder/Sundtrum [Edited on 14/6/2003 by kas] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAussiePosse Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 Of course you can't have ribs and perry on the same line. it worked with gilmour moving to LW, but Ribs... nah, no way it'd work. And Perreault won't go to Nashville or Columbus, I'm almost positive Perezhogin will not make the team next year. After the CBA is worked out, then expect something big, with guys like Juneau, Perreault, Audette, et al. all leaving. It'll be a youth revolution if there is a hockey season that year. Higgins will not play this year either, but will last in Hamilton, and learn what it takes to play 82 games season, or as close to it as yo'u'll get. Gratton, Ryder, Balej and Hainsey will all want spots, but with the lack of availability, will probably have to wait another year too. Hossa is like Audette in that he won't play well on any lines but the top 2. I think we should pair him with Ribeiro like last year, and see what happens. The were streaky, but it worked. Maybe give Audette on that line (a bit like what Kas said). Zednik-Koivu-Ward = Only problem is Zednik prefers LW Hossa-Ribeiro-Audette = Streaky? We'll find out Bulis-Perreault-Sunstrom = Perry played that at the end last season Dackell-Juneau-McKay = Wait till :contract: runs out Linsday-Kilger-Blouin = Rock 'em Sock 'em (if Lindsay's still here) Defence I ain't gonna even touch. We need to get this sorted out first. :ghg: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs77 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 Agreed, the Perreault-Ribeiro-Audette line is a recipe for disaster. There's enough talent to go around but little else, no speed, size, grit... and a defensive nightmare to be sure. Originally posted by TheAussiePosseHossa is like Audette in that he won't play well on any lines but the top 2. I think we should pair him with Ribeiro like last year, and see what happens. The were streaky, but it worked. Could not disagree more here. The only part of Hossa's game that was up to par was his defense... he could do very well on a 3rd line, he's already played there in the past btw. As with Bulis who had lost his way offensively and found his way again while on the 3rd line, Hossa would benefit from having less pressure to produce, for now. And the Hossa-Ribeiro duo did not work at all last year... it was a disaster, Ribeiro kept feeding Hossa with perfect passes and Hossa kept fumbling the plays. Ribeiro-Zednik was what clicked, Hossa held the back more than anything else. Zednik-Koivu-Ward = Only problem is Zednik prefers LW Zednik is a LW in this proposed line, Ward is a RW... so what's the problem again? Hossa-Ribeiro-Audette = Streaky? We'll find outBulis-Perreault-Sunstrom = Perry played that at the end last season Dackell-Juneau-McKay = Wait till :contract: runs out Linsday-Kilger-Blouin = Rock 'em Sock 'em (if Lindsay's still here) psst.. Teams don't have 5 lines And Lindsay is not ever coming back IMO, we have too many bodies as it is.. why re-sign someone you couldn't find a spot for in your lineup last year? [Edited on 15-6-03 by Habs77] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAussiePosse Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 I still think that Hossa is more offensive than defensive. But hey, I haven't seen him that much (I have seen him, don't get me wrong), but I"ll take your word for it. www.forecaster.ca/demo/hockey/player.cgi?2187 They say he's offensive, not defensive... I meant Zednik prefers RW, not LW. :StupidStupidStupid: And the 5th line was there to show the extra bodies. We won't be rid of them by next year, so that was the extra line. Hey, what a great idea though. 5 lines!!! Maybe even a bigger ice surface, no red line or blue line, and a 6th player called the rover. OOOH, and bigger nets, and two goalies (Theo & Garon= unbeatable) and... http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/ Check that out.. :/) Can't wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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