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This is exactly right. What we have here are players that have been bathing in all the goodies and adulation and self-indulgences that become available to you because you are a Montreal Canadien. And what is utterly disgusting is that they not only have done nothing - nothing - to deserve it, they are by their behaviour sh*tting in the faces of the organization that gave them this opportunity. They want, feel entitled to, the night life and adulation of Guy Lafleur. But they don't want to work like he did, play like he did, or win like he did? F*ck them.

I understand the argument that they're kids, they're learning, boys will be boys, etc.. Nonetheless, they may never play again on a team that had as much talent and potential as this one. That's what's so frustrating: you only get so many chances. They might 'mature' next year or the year after, have a really strong team - only to get derailed by injuries or bad luck. They might 'mature' and end up playing for a middle-of-the-road team their whole lives (c.f. Koivu). It's a waste of a golden opportunity, and why? Because they're too busy being punks.

While I'm ranting, I also don't know how these clowns can even look Bob Gainey (Bob Gainey!!) in the eye. One of the great champions and living examples of dignity and class in the history of the sport. A man who has lost his wife and daughter and does everything they could have asked of him to provide them with the opportunity to be winners. This is how they repay him, and the fans.

Punks.

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You're right, lets lock them up. How dare they have social lives? Clearly, you are only allowed to live like a regular person if you win hockey games.

In all seriousness, how are they being punks???? The only thing I've ever seen was a couple of pictures of players with drinks and cigarettes in their hands. Somehow, this makes them deviant, alcoholic, drug-addicted mafia rapists. The fact that this has been blown up to the point it has is just plain embarrassing for our city. This whole thing makes me sick.

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You're right, lets lock them up. How dare they have social lives? Clearly, you are only allowed to live like a regular person if you win hockey games.

In all seriousness, how are they being punks???? The only thing I've ever seen was a couple of pictures of players with drinks and cigarettes in their hands. Somehow, this makes them deviant, alcoholic, drug-addicted mafia rapists. The fact that this has been blown up to the point it has is just plain embarrassing for our city. This whole thing makes me sick.

Thank you. I've been wanting to chime in on this, but I've held back. Is everyone on these boards saying they don't know a bad guy? Most people know a bad guy. Until I see charges or hear evidence of something damming, I feel this is a joke. I do agree that these guys are professionals and get paid a lot of money. I agree that they are role models as well, and they should be more carefull who they associate with, but the fact remains that they are very young, and not as wise as some of us old fellers. Also someone mentioned the more relaxed Eastern European culture when it comes to things like this. This stuff has been circulating around Montreal media like crazy, made a quick appearance in national and sports websites. That is where I expect it will end, unless something substantial is revealed.

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Our team is very young, and Gainey says the Habs have watchdogs keeping them in line and programs, BUT, it's obviously not working. These kids living it up in Montreal can easily be steered in the wrong direction as we can see from everything going on.

Why don't they have families to live with? Crosby lived or still lives with Mario. I heard that Gui Latendresse's dad picked him up after games or even still does now just to avoid having his son going for beers after games.

They should have a program with families to adopt these kids when they sign a deal with the big team as a mandatory clause in the contract if they are under 21 or 22.

I just can't figure out how the Hammer is involved. You would think he might give some guidance but then again I've seen Dion Phaneuff online smoking and drinking away so The Hammer might actually be a bad influence on his teammates if he has problems of his own we don't know about.

These guys need parents, like Gainey said "they are barley out of highschool and just learning to reason"

On another note. I was thinking about The Grabs and Sergei feud. I wonder if it's linked to the going ons of this little story in Montreal.

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This incident or series of incidents might be a blessing in disguise. It's been made clear that the players will be on a shorter leash. Maybe they'll go so far as to put the players up in a hotel while in Montreal like some do in the post season. Perhaps the team can hunker down in this way and/or another way. Maybe they'll truly bond. Eat, drink and sleep hockey. Nothing else matters. Not the media nor the outside world. Eat, drink and sleep for each other. One and all - TEAM!

LET US HOPE!

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As far as I'm concerned, until proven otherwise, there is no 'incident' involving any of these players. So they know a guy who got arrested. So do I. Big deal. Also, I don't think they need 'foster parents' at age 21 and 24. They are legal adults and are allowed to do what they want with their private lives. If they wanna go party it up, that's their business, not any of ours. If the Habs organization sees a problem that is effecting their play or the team, they will step in and handle it internally and discreetly. Face it, this circus is entirely created by the media and as far as I'm concerned, players private lives are non of their business.

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As far as I'm concerned, until proven otherwise, there is no 'incident' involving any of these players. So they know a guy who got arrested. So do I. Big deal. Also, I don't think they need 'foster parents' at age 21 and 24. They are legal adults and are allowed to do what they want with their private lives. If they wanna go party it up, that's their business, not any of ours. If the Habs organization sees a problem that is effecting their play or the team, they will step in and handle it internally and discreetly. Face it, this circus is entirely created by the media and as far as I'm concerned, players private lives are non of their business.
I hear ya, but you didn't say anything about team bonding potential which was the true message in my post. And by "incidents" I meant that events are incidents. News articles true or not are events, and are they also not incidents? Edited by Athlétique.Canadien
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I hear ya, but you didn't say anything about team bonding potential which was the true message in my post. And by "incidents" I meant that events are incidents. News articles true or not are events, and are they also not incidents?

They are neither 'incidents' nor 'events', but 'happenings'.

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They had to have been buying female escorts(hookers) and at least weed..............and probably coke. Hopefully the cops can't prove it.

Its just so easy to blame it on the pussy.

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The lolcat made them do it. ^_^

I dont think any of them are out of the woods just because they havent been charged yet. A big method now for conducting illegal activities is by using texting and its relitively new technology and its not considered the same as getting a phone tap. Its a lot harder for the police to get permission to text tap somebody they are after. However now that buddy is arrested they have more grounds to get the warrant to get the text info, not to mention buddy most likely had his phone with him when they arrested him, so now they have his phone. It takes time for the police to go through 1000's of text messages. One of the articles it said they had phone recording of the Kostitins so who knows whats on those. The police could just be waiting to get more solid proof before they go after any Habs. The police need to be carefull not to be making any false accusations against Habs players.

I beleive the media that over reacted and leaked this story has probably hindered the police investigation and that could be good news for the Habs. I'm pretty sure the media made more info on the case public than the police wanted. Its one thing for the media to know what the players are doing off ice than it is for the police to proove it in a court room.

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Its just so easy to blame it on the pussy.

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The lolcat made them do it. ^_^

I dont think any of them are out of the woods just because they havent been charged yet. A big method now for conducting illegal activities is by using texting and its relitively new technology and its not considered the same as getting a phone tap. Its a lot harder for the police to get permission to text tap somebody they are after. However now that buddy is arrested they have more grounds to get the warrant to get the text info, not to mention buddy most likely had his phone with him when they arrested him, so now they have his phone. It takes time for the police to go through 1000's of text messages. One of the articles it said they had phone recording of the Kostitins so who knows whats on those. The police could just be waiting to get more solid proof before they go after any Habs. The police need to be carefull not to be making any false accusations against Habs players.

I beleive the media that over reacted and leaked this story has probably hindered the police investigation and that could be good news for the Habs. I'm pretty sure the media made more info on the case public than the police wanted. Its one thing for the media to know what the players are doing off ice than it is for the police to proove it in a court room.

Let's just say through texts and phone messages the cops find out The Boys got some coke for the all star game weekend, have been buying weed once a month, and a couple of times got hookers in the past year. How do they go about laying charges? and how steep are the penalties in these kind of situations. So no dealing of their own, just indulging. Anyone know how bad this can get?

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lets just say it has embarrasment value only. the cops are not going to charge them with anything in the scenario you describe. Possession of drugs is illegal taking them is not. Unless the find drugs on the boys.... and prostitution is not illegal hence no chargeable offences. Much ado about nothing

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lets just say it has embarrasment value only. the cops are not going to charge them with anything in the scenario you describe. Possession of drugs is illegal taking them is not. Unless the find drugs on the boys.... and prostitution is not illegal hence no chargeable offences. Much ado about nothing

Depends on what is found...there are charges that could be laid depending on what was said. Racketeering type charges for example...it would be extreme and unlikely but possibly feasible. Also solicitation IS illegal so if a taped conversation involved solicitation for prostitution then they could be charged...think of it like cigarettes in Ontario, you can smoke them if you're over 15 but you can't BUY them till your 19, oh and if you SUPPLY them to someone under 19 it's illegal too...no law against the act, just against the actions that lead up to it.

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Let's just say through texts and phone messages the cops find out The Boys got some coke for the all star game weekend, have been buying weed once a month, and a couple of times got hookers in the past year. How do they go about laying charges? and how steep are the penalties in these kind of situations. So no dealing of their own, just indulging. Anyone know how bad this can get?

I don't think a prosecuter would touch them unless they could get a witness. Text message evidence alone would make them look bad, but I think it would be hard to get a charge to stick on texts alone. A high price lawer would chew up the prosecution and spit them out.

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Let's just say through texts and phone messages the cops find out The Boys got some coke for the all star game weekend, have been buying weed once a month, and a couple of times got hookers in the past year. How do they go about laying charges? and how steep are the penalties in these kind of situations. So no dealing of their own, just indulging. Anyone know how bad this can get?

There is sort of a grey area. Apparently you cant be charged for doing drugs, just for possession. So if the police can prove the Kostitsins bought coke they cant really do much. However the amounts they bought could be a problem, but the players would have to be mentally challenged if they still have any left at their residence to be found with a search warrant. Seeing how they have quite a bit of disposable income they might have bought fairly large quantities.

What worries me is that the Kostitsins seem to be the ones with the connection to the drugs etc. If the Kostitsins were the ones getting it for the other Habs that were doing it then they could be charged with a conspiracy to distribute.

I still say everybody (the players, organisation, and even the fans) are lucky that its the Habs. The Habs have been around for so long and have such a deep tradition and have such a huge hardcore following that the police are probably fans and dont necessarily want to be hard asses and bust any Habs. Also everyone is lucky that its Montreal. Theres a lot of criminal activity in Montreal than in a lot of other NHL cities. If something like this happened to a team in the US they probably would have arrested some of the players by now. The fact that its the Habs the police are probably holding back a bit.

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Depends on what is found...there are charges that could be laid depending on what was said. Racketeering type charges for example...it would be extreme and unlikely but possibly feasible. Also solicitation IS illegal so if a taped conversation involved solicitation for prostitution then they could be charged...think of it like cigarettes in Ontario, you can smoke them if you're over 15 but you can't BUY them till your 19, oh and if you SUPPLY them to someone under 19 it's illegal too...no law against the act, just against the actions that lead up to it.

this is silly they are not suspects. buying coke is not racketeering. and talking about girls on the phone is not solicitation, and it is not a serious charge. they wouldn't even need a lawyer to beat that stuff. lets just wait and see this is much ado about nothing. so far we know they knew a guy so what I know lots of guys big deal.

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