KoZed Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Good calls KoZed, agree with most, but: Kovalev I'd consider bringing back, doubtful he would take a cut though to be a 2nd-line winger . pp specialist. A rare talent. Might have to re-sign some of the UFA's to get Lecavalier - I'm thinking Higgins here. But yes, whatever it takes. Just posted a similar thought at the end of the game thread. A second-line ctr over St. Louis is a way more pressing need. Veteran goalie? Well we dont really know how much Kovy wants to come back or not. St-Louis would take the #1 RW spot at about the same price but 3 years younger and still a PPG player. I want to see Lats & AKost on the RW, and Dago is there too so in my scheme it doesnt leave place for Kovy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varlan Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Why does no one say anything about hamrliks consistently terrible play. 5Mill for this bum. Hes not good offensively and his defense isnt any better than blunder obryne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Well we dont really know how much Kovy wants to come back or not. St-Louis would take the #1 RW spot at about the same price but 3 years younger and still a PPG player. I want to see Lats & AKost on the RW, and Dago is there too so in my scheme it doesnt leave place for Kovy. But what do you have to give up to get the two best players on a team that has finished last and second last the last two seasons? They also make $14M combined next year. If they can get them on the cheap, they have the flexibility to pull the trigger, but do you make that move and gut your system? The only outside shot this type of thinking has revolves around the massive money crunch in Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 But what do you have to give up to get the two best players on a team that has finished last and second last the last two seasons? They also make $14M combined next year. If they can get them on the cheap, they have the flexibility to pull the trigger, but do you make that move and gut your system? The only outside shot this type of thinking has revolves around the massive money crunch in Tampa. Koivu, Kovy, Lang = 13M$ 3 assets for Lecavalier alone, plus 1 more for 33 yrs old St-Louis. 4-for-2, or 5-for-2. Problem is that with the down year of most of our youngins, they're value is low. But since TB wants to cut as much salary as possible, they might prefer prospects having contracts in the 6 digits rather than Kostitsyn and his 3.25. That means anyone on the farm. Chipchura, Dago, SKost, Pacioretty, O'Byrne, Carle, Maxwell... we've got some things to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 But if you rate Lecav so highly - as a franchise player - what makes you think he's going to come for a couple of prospects and other such nonsense. If you proposed a trade like that in HWL, you'd be laughed out of the park. Remember, it has to HURT to get what you want. You want Lecav? One of Markov or Komi has to go the other way, and more than likely, it's going to be Markov. Then you have to have a COMPLETE rebuild of the defense. Which means you're back into complete rebuild mode, and Lecav, while very good, has no one to play with; we're not even a playoff team. You've just created a bigger problem by fixing one issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 But if you rate Lecav so highly - as a franchise player - what makes you think he's going to come for a couple of prospects and other such nonsense. If you proposed a trade like that in HWL, you'd be laughed out of the park. Remember, it has to HURT to get what you want. You want Lecav? One of Markov or Komi has to go the other way, and more than likely, it's going to be Markov. Then you have to have a COMPLETE rebuild of the defense. Which means you're back into complete rebuild mode, and Lecav, while very good, has no one to play with; we're not even a playoff team. You've just created a bigger problem by fixing one issue. Why would it be Markov? Because he's signed? We could trade Komisarek's 'exclusive negotiating rights' like Hartnell's were by the Panthers to the Flyers. Throw in a skating d-man prospect; a centre (Plex, please); a winger (KoZed points out Kovalev); some grit (Higgins; Dandy; Kostopolous; S Kost; Chips) and that's a 5-for-2 that might just go somewhere. Looking Komisarek and Kovalev as the key points to the deal makes it more interesting. But I still think the Habs must go for two ctr's this year; plus a tough bastard to replace Komisarek (don't think he'll be back). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Why would it be Markov? Because he's signed? We could trade Komisarek's 'exclusive negotiating rights' like Hartnell's were by the Panthers to the Flyers. Throw in a skating d-man prospect; a centre (Plex, please); a winger (KoZed points out Kovalev); some grit (Higgins; Dandy; Kostopolous; S Kost; Chips) and that's a 5-for-2 that might just go somewhere. Looking Komisarek and Kovalev as the key points to the deal makes it more interesting. But I still think the Habs must go for two ctr's this year; plus a tough bastard to replace Komisarek (don't think he'll be back). Fine, we'll go with Komi's negotiating rights. Though they are worth far less than a signed player. Sundin, anyone? Then you're suggesting Plex, Kovalev, one of the five grit guys and you think it's going to go somewhere for Lecavalier and St. Louis. So. Negotiating rights. Plex - the guy we all agree has just about fallen off the planet. Kovalev - a UFA they can get for free. And I presume a couple of those fourth liners you mentioned. Now, be Tampa for a moment and consider getting those five for Lecavalier and St. Louis. Now stop being Tampa because you'll give yourself a hernia laughing. Everyone in the hockey world knows Montreal wants Lecav. Because he's French, Montrealais, and a superstar. Jacked up price already. St. Louis? French. Superstar. Oops, jacked up that price too. And you think they're going to accept that offer? Start with Markov, add Andrei Kost, maybe Pacioretti and another D prospect AND a first rounder or two and you could pry them both away. Maybe. We're not in a position of power here. To say we're dealing from the back foot is about the mildest understatement you can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Yup, Ryder was not going to work out with us, not with the way Carbo used him, not with the way he was playing, which was p*ss-poor. Needed a coach and a system, plus two good playmaking linemates, which he has now. He'll net them 25 goals a year for the next 8 years if they hold it together. Ask him to do something on his own, he's awful. he did score 30 goals in montreal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Lang Kovy Koivu 13 mill? Are you saying we should sign them for that? These guys suck, they were barely an 8 seed. 13 mill would get you 2 sedins. 70 points each. I beleive that almost doubles the 3 you mentioned . I'm not sure why people want some of these guys back, did anyone uimpress you this year? Obviously it's Price and coachings fault. They need a real culture change, 1 good season in the last 15 seasons? not good enough. If people can't see how bad these players are, then you will continue to fight for an 8 seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I can't wait for July 1st toe come and go so we can finally shut the door on this Lecavalier talk forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I can't wait for July 1st toe come and go so we can finally shut the door on this Lecavalier talk forever. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Checklist for next year: 1- Either confirm Gainey for a few more years or change the GM asap to be ready for the draft. 2- Resign Tanguay, Schneider & Komisarek before July 1st. We're weak as it is on D, hold on Komo & Schnide 3- Let Koivu & Kovalev walk. The face of the team needs to change, no doubts anymore 4- Let all the other UFAs walk. Save the money. 5- Put together the package you need to get Lecavalier AND St-Louis. That duo is your upgrade on Koivu & Kovalev 6- Find a 2-way winger to complement Laps & Lats to make it a line still physical but with more offensive upside. 7- Graduate Weber full time. The kid looked good. #3... Let Kovalev walk, not Koivu. It was Saku that made Kovy look good down the stretch #5 is a pipe dream... at best. Tampa will never do it... no matter what you offer #6 Higgins is the one for that line... I've been hollaring that for a long time now #7 Make Weber, Subban and McDonagh fight it out.... one of them will earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Fine, we'll go with Komi's negotiating rights. Though they are worth far less than a signed player. Sundin, anyone? Then you're suggesting Plex, Kovalev, one of the five grit guys and you think it's going to go somewhere for Lecavalier and St. Louis. So. Negotiating rights. Plex - the guy we all agree has just about fallen off the planet. Kovalev - a UFA they can get for free. And I presume a couple of those fourth liners you mentioned. Now, be Tampa for a moment and consider getting those five for Lecavalier and St. Louis. Now stop being Tampa because you'll give yourself a hernia laughing. Everyone in the hockey world knows Montreal wants Lecav. Because he's French, Montrealais, and a superstar. Jacked up price already. St. Louis? French. Superstar. Oops, jacked up that price too. And you think they're going to accept that offer? Start with Markov, add Andrei Kost, maybe Pacioretti and another D prospect AND a first rounder or two and you could pry them both away. Maybe. We're not in a position of power here. To say we're dealing from the back foot is about the mildest understatement you can get. Colin, just re-read my post after the raging of the defeat. I was dead wrong, ridiculous. Still think we need two ctrs this off-season, a #1 and a #2. And a lot of change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Checklist for next year: 1- Either confirm Gainey for a few more years or change the GM asap to be ready for the draft. 2- Resign Tanguay, Schneider & Komisarek before July 1st. We're weak as it is on D, hold on Komo & Schnide 3- Let Koivu & Kovalev walk. The face of the team needs to change, no doubts anymore 4- Let all the other UFAs walk. Save the money. 5- Put together the package you need to get Lecavalier AND St-Louis. That duo is your upgrade on Koivu & Kovalev 6- Find a 2-way winger to complement Laps & Lats to make it a line still physical but with more offensive upside. 7- Graduate Weber full time. The kid looked good. 3 . Koivu has to go; but we should keep Kovalev; unless we can get Vinny+Marty 4. I 200% agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 3 . Koivu has to go; but we should keep Kovalev; unless we can get Vinny+Marty 4. I 200% agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Well we dont really know how much Kovy wants to come back or not. St-Louis would take the #1 RW spot at about the same price but 3 years younger and still a PPG player. I want to see Lats & AKost on the RW, and Dago is there too so in my scheme it doesnt leave place for Kovy. Screw all the babbel in the text YOU GOT THE PANTIES SCENE IN THERE!!!!!!! YAY !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 #3... Let Kovalev walk, not Koivu. It was Saku that made Kovy look good down the stretch It was Tanguay who made them BOTH look good. Kovalev is still good on the PP. I'd consider keeping him for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 It was Tanguay who made them BOTH look good. Kovalev is still good on the PP. I'd consider keeping him for that. Ugh You must be kidding right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Why would it be Markov? Because he's signed? We could trade Komisarek's 'exclusive negotiating rights' like Hartnell's were by the Panthers to the Flyers. Throw in a skating d-man prospect; a centre (Plex, please); a winger (KoZed points out Kovalev); some grit (Higgins; Dandy; Kostopolous; S Kost; Chips) and that's a 5-for-2 that might just go somewhere. Looking Komisarek and Kovalev as the key points to the deal makes it more interesting. But I still think the Habs must go for two ctr's this year; plus a tough bastard to replace Komisarek (don't think he'll be back). So you think trading the negotiating rights to our free agents is going to get us Vinny and Marty??? What are you smoking??? Kovy, Komi, kosto, dandenault are all UFA's, higgens and pleks are RFA and chips is a career minor leaguer. Higgens and pleks are the only decent players you are offering - and both are coming off bad years. The deals you clowns are suggesting woudn't even be allowed in a video game!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Ugh You must be kidding right? The sad thing is - I don't think these guys are kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Ugh You must be kidding right? nah, Tanguay was the catalyst of the Koivu Kovalev Tanguay line. was clearly the best player on that line. koivu was the lame ass grinder. kovalev was the superstar sniper. and Tanguay was the catalyst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 what is it? you guys sersiously disliked our best forward - Tanguay (his ppg ratio is the best of the team) or do you have a boner on Koivu? if it's the boner on koivu, I can understand. if you dislike Tanguay, I can't understand... he was our best forward, then he was seriously injured, yet came back in time to push us into a playoffs spot and then reinjured himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 It's official, Tanguay will be operated on next week for a torn ligament in his shoulder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Well, Both Tanguay and Kovalev made Koivu look good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 It's official, Tanguay will be operated on next week for a torn ligament in his shoulder! see! and people said he was chickening out... he knew he had a torn ligament and still played a couple of games... Well, Both Tanguay and Kovalev made Koivu look good I do think you are right. Koivu is really close to retirement... I'd consider keeping him, but really in a remote role. e.g. 3rd or 4th offensive line with some PP time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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