Commandant Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 45 minutes ago, JGC21 said: I just don't think there's enough money. Does $21M and change allow MB to sign Radulov, Galchenyuk, Markov and now Alzner? Plus, they still need to address their biggest need - a centre who can score. Plekanec needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: Plekanec needs to go. Go where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Go where? Away That said, I have a feeling that one of Chucky/Drouin is their planned solution at C. I still think its Drouin, so when we talk money I don't expect another C acquistion unless plek is gone. 21 M 4 m - alzner 5m - Chuck 5m - markov 6m - radulov that leaves 1 mill for call ups. If they trade Plekanec, maybe they grab a Bonino type. If not I think our Cs are already on the roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: Away So what team trades for him? What do the Habs give up to ensure it happens? Do they keep some cap back? Even if he created the problems, I would give Bergevin full marks if he can move $10M of cap away this summer with little repercussion. He's already replaced half of the savings of Emelin with Schlemko. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 you read the whole post where I put together how to spend the 21 million without him leaving, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BCHabnut Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 15 hours ago, DON said: Why thanks you sir, but I wont look up your odd reference and just assume it is very flattering. I try to work panglossian into a sentence at least once a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGC21 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, Trizzak said: My take is MB inquired BEFORE he landed Schlemko. I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Trizzak said: What's next - bringing back MT as an assistant? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 16 hours ago, Neech said: That's the feeling I get, although I always had reservations about our core not having enough top forwards. If we never lost McDonagh that's another story; we would have been a defensive juggernaut like Nashville with a clearcut captain. Markov on the second paring making any schlub look like $20M, Gorges our 3rd pair hero. But as it played out, we were always at minimum a very good player (probably a C) away from being a true contender. I'm leary that the Habs won't emerge from this free agency looking too good. Is there a realistic scenario that actually has us looking like contenders? Lovett's point is a good one - it's the disappointment that gives such snark to the Bergevin-bashers, of which I'm one. Unlike Gainey, he inherited a strong core. He was gifted a foundation that many GMs have to actually build up from nothing. That was five years ago. And the team has basically spun its wheels over that span, with better and worse seasons, but never once truly entering the top tier of heavy-duty contenders (let alone actually coming close to winning anything). Meanwhile a development system that was once highly regarded has been completely gutted, meaning the future looks worse than the present. So, after Houle, Savard, Gainey, and Gauthier, we are looking at ANOTHER wasted generation of Habs - with the next generation likely to be even worse. Unless this team wins within the next three years or so, I doubt that it will win anything at all for the foreseeable future. Ugh. As for how the Habs can become contenders before this core rots out, well... 1. Add a top-4, preferably top-2 LD. 2. Keep Galy, play him at C and hope his 200-foot game improves. 3. Add a legit #2 or #1A C. #1A would be better since Galy is an ambiguous proposition at C. 4. Re-sign Radu and Price. 5. Hope everyone is healthy come playoff time. I'm not even sure that this would do it, but the above is surely within the realm of the attainable. Of course, it's "tough," but then again everything is for our esteemed GM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I'm expecting Bonino to be a Hab July 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: As for how the Habs can become contenders before this core rots out, well... 1. Add a top-4, preferably top-2 LD. 2. Keep Galy, play him at C and hope his 200-foot game improves. 3. Add a legit #2 or #1A C. #1A would be better since Galy is an ambiguous proposition at C. 4. Re-sign Radu and Price. 5. Hope everyone is healthy come playoff time. I'm not even sure that this would do it, but the above is surely within the realm of the attainable. Of course, it's "tough," but then again everything is for our esteemed GM Keep Markov as well? I don't know if we have the space, and I don't think a legit C will be available, unless we're overpaying for Hanzal or Bonino, who are barely top-6 material. But you're right, even if everything goes right over the next week, it may not be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said: What's next - bringing back MT as an assistant? Don just got a woody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 19 hours ago, Commandant said: Plus/minus in 2017. OH BOY. I still think Plus/Minus is useful at the poles. Patrice Bergeron at +40, Dmitry Kulikov being forced to change his jersey to -2. But on a team like the Capitals with an 84 goal differential, Alzner's +23 shows what an unobjective stat this can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 18 hours ago, Neech said: I'm leary that the Habs won't emerge from this free agency looking too good. Is there a realistic scenario that actually has us looking like contenders? Let's see how I can sharpen the pencil... 21 million Markov doesn't resign, and is replaced by Girardi for 3.5 million a year/3 years. Still useful as a number 4 with Petry. Galchenyuk/Gallagher dealt for Hanifin. Bonino signed for 4.5 million per/4 years. Radim Vrbata signed at 5 million for 2 years. Radulov gets Vanek's deal. 7/4 years. Pacioretty-Drouin-Radulov Lehkonen-Bonino-Vrbata Byron-Danault-Shaw Big Mac-Plekanec-Martinsen Hanifin-Weber Girardi-Petry Jerabek-Benn Price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: I'm expecting Bonino to be a Hab July 1. Well you know how MB likes to massively overpay for complementary pieces from cup winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, hab29RETIRED said: Well you know how MB likes to massively overpay for complementary pieces from cup winners. He's already drooling over Ryan Reaves, and he's only been on a Cup winner five days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 17 minutes ago, Lovett's Magnatones said: Markov doesn't resign, and is replaced by Girardi for 3.5 million a year/3 years. Still useful as a number 4 with Petry. I wouldn't take Girardi for $1m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGC21 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: I wouldn't take Girardi for $1m I agree, Girardi is done. Maybe sign him on a one year deal, but 3? No way. I do think Bonino is coming to MTL, he is an upgrade at center versus Plex, he's younger and has Cup winning ways thanks to his time in PIT. I still say that one of Radulov/Galchenyuk won't be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: I wouldn't take Girardi for $1m I think he's misused and he had a bad deal. I also think that he's become a fancy-stats whipping boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Lovett's Magnatones said: I still think Plus/Minus is useful at the poles. Patrice Bergeron at +40, Dmitry Kulikov being forced to change his jersey to -2. But on a team like the Capitals with an 84 goal differential, Alzner's +23 shows what an unobjective stat this can be. Wasn't Kulikov injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Well you know how MB likes to massively overpay for complementary pieces from cup winners. Like who, Shaw and? He is massively overpaid is he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: I'm expecting Bonino to be a Hab July 1. Yay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, DON said: Wasn't Kulikov injured? I hope so. I was jazzed when the Panthers traded him. He's like Emelin without the hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 57 minutes ago, DON said: Like who, Shaw and? He is massively overpaid is he. Yes, he is overpaid for a guy who on a good te is a 3rd liner making almost double what his production warrants. He he also gave too much term and money to a washed up Briere (not a cup winner, but went to the finals). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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