alfredoh2009 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: If this keeps up, I will eventually agree that Pacioretty should be moved, but once again it will be because of the circus act that follows him around, in addition to the fact that he’s an expiring contract. I agree 100% if we trade him, we will miss him like Leclaire , Recchi, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: I’m being misunderstood. I don’t agree with everyone that Pacioretty needs to be traded, and I didn’t agree last trade deadline when everyone and their cousin knew Pacioretty would get moved. This cycle has continued and Pacioretty still hasn’t been moved. Eventually, if Pacioretty is still on the team and fans and media keep clamoring for him to be dealt, it’s going to get to his head. If it comes down to that, it will be best to move him simply because of the circus surrounding his name. Everyone else sees the smart move being to trade him and yet everyone has been disappointed with other Bergevin moves as of late. Why didn’t we trade Galchenyuk for a center or a LD if it’s so guaranteed that Pacioretty will be traded for the perfect pieces of our puzzle? If this keeps up, I will eventually agree that Pacioretty should be moved, but once again it will be because of the circus act that follows him around, in addition to the fact that he’s an expiring contract. You're 100% right that the 'circus' factor will probably lead to him leaving Montreal one way or the other. The answer to the boldfaced question is that we have a GM who is a proven idiot. He thinks getting rid of players he personally dislikes constitutes improvement of the hockey team. Now, if we think he's a proven idiot, how can we simultaneously demand that he trade Pacioretty? Good question. The choice would seem to be between -arguing in favour of hockey moves that make sense, even though we know MB can't be trusted to do them, OR -arguing against making ANY major moves because MB can't be trusted to make sensible moves. I can certainly see the logic of saying "be careful what you wish for when it comes to Bergevin." It's true, he could well turn around and trade Patches for Lucic or something. But the point of a message board is partly to talk about what we think the Habs should do. Looked at from a rational point of view - not Bergevin's, but that of a human who knows what they're doing - trading Pacioretty for a C or LD makes a lot of sense as is probably what teams with competent leadership would have already done by now. That's the point we're making. That said, one question that we probably haven't considered systematically enough is: what exactly is Max Pacioretty's trade value? Is it realistic to think we could get a #1A C for him, or a #2 d-man? Obviously, people like me assume that this is realistic. But if it's not, then what IS a realistic return? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I still think you are looking at an unproven, possible #1C. Like for example, if the LA rumour is true (and its dubious, I know), I would ask for Villardi. or I would ask for Kale Clague (puck moving LHD) + 2019 2nd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I don't believe it is realistic at all to get a 1C for Pacioretty. Nor has it been for a while. Now, the exception to this could be a guy like Ryan O'Reilly, who has an attitude problem, is very unhappy in Buffalo, Buffalo wants to move him before his bonus, and he has multiple years left at more than he deserves as a guy on par with what we saw for years with Plekanec. Buffalo also has their franchise centre in Eichel and a young guy with potential like Reinhart. So he's expendable for them. Otherwise his value is in futures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I don't have TVA Sports so I can't say I've seen this myself but this has been making the rounds over the last little bit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallica Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: I don't believe it is realistic at all to get a 1C for Pacioretty. Nor has it been for a while. Now, the exception to this could be a guy like Ryan O'Reilly, who has an attitude problem, is very unhappy in Buffalo, Buffalo wants to move him before his bonus, and he has multiple years left at more than he deserves as a guy on par with what we saw for years with Plekanec. Buffalo also has their franchise centre in Eichel and a young guy with potential like Reinhart. So he's expendable for them. Otherwise his value is in futures. They're trying to trade O'Reilly before they have to pay his bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Metallica said: They're trying to trade O'Reilly before they have to pay his bonuses. C'mon Metallica, ride the lightning and read my whole post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallica Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: C'mon Metallica, ride the lightning and read my whole post Just pointing out the facts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Metallica said: Just pointing out the facts ? Me: Now, the exception to this could be a guy like Ryan O'Reilly, who has an attitude problem, is very unhappy in Buffalo, Buffalo wants to move him before his bonus, and he has multiple years left at more than he deserves as a guy on par with what we saw for years with Plekanec. You: They're trying to trade O'Reilly before they have to pay his bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallica Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Me: Now, the exception to this could be a guy like Ryan O'Reilly, who has an attitude problem, is very unhappy in Buffalo, Buffalo wants to move him before his bonus, and he has multiple years left at more than he deserves as a guy on par with what we saw for years with Plekanec. You: They're trying to trade O'Reilly before they have to pay his bonuses. Yeah I pointed out your facts better then you and in less words lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Per various tweets on the main site, the Habs and San Jose may be close on a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I just want this to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Honestly if teams are not going to offer a fair deal for Max I would say just keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, Trizzak said: I just want this to end. One of those is reliable, one of those makes a lot of stuff up (and likes to link the Habs to everything). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 ill take Hertl or Vlasic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 jimmy murphy is a hack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Commandant said: jimmy murphy is a hack Nice to see people trashing him in the replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGC21 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Commandant said: jimmy murphy is a hack To ba fair, you said Grant McCagg is a hack and his draft rankings were pretty accurate. He was the first person to predict Kotkaniemi to the Habs with the #3 pick. Just sayin’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, JGC21 said: To ba fair, you said Grant McCagg is a hack and his draft rankings were pretty accurate. He was the first person to predict Kotkaniemi to the Habs with the #3 pick. Just sayin’. A guy on HFBoards predicted Zadina to Detroit one year ago. Guess we should call him an insider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: A guy on HFBoards predicted Zadina to Detroit one year ago. Guess we should call him an insider? YES! Some people are just born with it! yeah i'll show myself out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 28 minutes ago, Link67 said: YES! Some people are just born with it! Maybe it's Maybelline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 12 hours ago, JGC21 said: To ba fair, you said Grant McCagg is a hack and his draft rankings were pretty accurate. He was the first person to predict Kotkaniemi to the Habs with the #3 pick. Just sayin’. And... 1 year after launching his site, he's shutting it down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 From Pierre LeBrun at The Athletic (paywall), the Habs had interest in Carolina centre Victor Rask but balked at the asking price of two of their second-rounders (including 35). Rask is coming off of a down year where he posted just 31 points but had put up 48 and 45 the previous two seasons. He has four years left on his deal at a $4 million cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, dlbalr said: From Pierre LeBrun at The Athletic (paywall), the Habs had interest in Carolina centre Victor Rask but balked at the asking price of two of their second-rounders (including 35). Rask is coming off of a down year where he posted just 31 points but had put up 48 and 45 the previous two seasons. He has four years left on his deal at a $4 million cap hit. I would have rather spent two second round picks on Rask than Shaw but I'm glad we didn't do it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: From Pierre LeBrun at The Athletic (paywall), the Habs had interest in Carolina centre Victor Rask but balked at the asking price of two of their second-rounders (including 35). Rask is coming off of a down year where he posted just 31 points but had put up 48 and 45 the previous two seasons. He has four years left on his deal at a $4 million cap hit. More of what we don't need anyway so a good call not shipping them away, Olofsson alone projects the same as Rask anyway, let alone having to sacrafice another pick too. Rask is a fringe top 6 C capable of producing 45 points, we already have Drouin and Danault capable of that, we are looking for top 6 C capable of 55+ points. That's enough with the lateral moves, time to focus on positional upgrades going forward, glad this didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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