Habsfan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You don't draft and develop a blue chipper just to toss him away for cap implications I agree, but some teams will have no choice but to make sacrifices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I agree, but some teams will have no choice but to make sacrifices. I do not think that with Bouillon, Dandy, Saku, Kovy, Tanguay, Kosto and Bégin UFA at the end of the season, trading Komisarek is a good option. Among these guys, Komi is THE ONE i would build my team around. I'm 75% sure he is the next captain, when will he become C is now the question? Improve the team via trading Saku + a young dman + 1rst rounder is what i'm thinking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I do not think that with Bouillon, Dandy, Saku, Kovy, Tanguay, Kosto and Bégin UFA at the end of the season, trading Komisarek is a good option. Among these guys, Komi is THE ONE i would build my team around. I'm 75% sure he is the next captain, when will he become C is now the question? Improve the team via trading Saku + a young dman + 1rst rounder is what i'm thinking about... Again, I wish Gainey signs Komisarek for several years as eraly as possible this season (no reason to wait for next summer), so this won't even be a possibility anymore. I was just responding initially to someone who was saying we should trade for Jeff Carter... if we really want Carter, Komisarek's name will come up because I doubt Holmgren will accept a package of second-rate talents in echange from his prime youngster, just like you won't convince a Roman to give you his delicious home-made style lasagna in exchange for a few pizza pockets. Obviously we need to find ourselves a quality young offensive centre, especially with Koivu becoming an unrestrcited free agent, Plekanec not begin a genuine tp centre, and hardly anyone able to fill that role in our ranks. I was just saying that Komisarek is a possible trade-bait for that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) Obviously we need to find ourselves a quality young offensive centre, especially with Koivu becoming an unrestrcited free agent, Plekanec not begin a genuine tp centre, and hardly anyone able to fill that role in our ranks. I was just saying that Komisarek is a possible trade-bait for that... yeah, he is. But IMO there is MUCH more option before trading Komisarek. Actually, the only guy I wouldn't trade before Komisarek is Carey Price. Price Komi Andrei Kost Edit : Markov would be hard to swallow the rest can go Edited August 29, 2008 by JoeLassister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Price Komi Andrei Edit : Markov would be hard to swallow the rest can go Really? My list is alot longer. The untouchables for me are.. 1-Price 2-Komi 3-A. Kosty 4-S. Kosty 5-Higgins 6-Plex 7-Markov 8-Latendresse and I'm actually considering putting O'Byrne's name on this list. I have high hopes for this Giant. In a couple of years, he could become another Komisarek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Really? My list is alot longer. The untouchables for me are.. 1-Price 2-Komi 3-A. Kosty 4-S. Kosty 5-Higgins 6-Plex 7-Markov 8-Latendresse and I'm actually considering putting O'Byrne's name on this list. I have high hopes for this Giant. In a couple of years, he could become another Komisarek! One thing I know : I would not hesitate one second before throwing O'Byrne in a deal for a top C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Really? My list is alot longer. The untouchables for me are.. 1-Price 2-Komi 3-A. Kosty 4-S. Kosty 5-Higgins 6-Plex 7-Markov 8-Latendresse and I'm actually considering putting O'Byrne's name on this list. I have high hopes for this Giant. In a couple of years, he could become another Komisarek! Untouchables? So if you could get Sidney Crosby for any of those players in a 1-on-1 trade, you would say no? Obviously I'm exaggerating here, but my point is that if you can get a premium return for a player, you should probably do it. Especially in Plekanec's case, I'm very afraid we will overpay him next season (like 5+ millions), which could hurt the Habs on the longer run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) Well, Price is as close to untouchable as anyone gets at this point. Komisarek is a close second in my book - do you know how long we've waited for that massive, bruising shutdown defenceman? And we don't even know if he's peaked. No WAY do I trade him for anyone except a Crosby or Malkin type. Markov would be third on my list, he who is quietly one of the league's best overall defenders. The rest, I can take or leave, depending on the return, of course. Edited August 29, 2008 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Puck Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Spoken like someone who hasn't worked out much in their life; you're over-simplifying the hell out of it and making a ridiculous blanket statement. First of all, is it sixteen RIPPED pounds....as in 16 pounds of lean body mass (that has been cardio-conditioned as well) with no fat/water weight gain? Because if it is, I'd be inclined to believe he had some 'assistance'. If it's a mix of muscle and fat, then it's a possibility that he did it clean. Anyone who thinks they can gain a pound of NEW (not regaining muscle that you've had before and lost) RIPPED muscle a week for sixteen consecutive weeks without juicing is kidding themselves tho. I don't mean to pick on you sbhatt, but I am wondering why we think he put on the 16 pounds in the last 4 months. Isn't the previous weight we have for him likely to be from training camp last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAussiePosse Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I don't mean to pick on you sbhatt, but I am wondering why we think he put on the 16 pounds in the last 4 months. Isn't the previous weight we have for him likely to be from training camp last year? It's certainly possible we went Keith Fatchuk on us after our inglorious exit from the playoffs, and has been living out of a KFC bucket for the last few months. Sorta Ben Stiller at the end of Dodgeball... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 It's certainly possible we went Keith Fatchuk on us after our inglorious exit from the playoffs, and has been living out of a KFC bucket for the last few months. Sorta Ben Stiller at the end of Dodgeball... Oh God, I sure hope not. I don't think he'd be that stupid, given that his place on the team isn't exactly carved in stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Oh God, I sure hope not. I don't think he'd be that stupid, given that his place on the team isn't exactly carved in stone. I know we're joking, but I seriously doubt he'd be bragging about putting on 16 lbs of fat... And I sure hope he learned his lesson after getting demoted out of camp last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 My bet is that no one else thought of that. thanks for validating my rumor I now feel like Eklund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I know the Habs are going for a C, but I can really see Schneider as a backup plan, and here's why: 1) Brian Burke wants to deal him out East. 2) He does not want to take any salary back so that Selanne can sign the contract he's agreed to terms on, so the interested team must have the $5.625 M in cap space. He also apparently wants Shanahan, solidifying that point further. 3) If an Eastern team not involved in the Sundin sweepstakes wanted Schneider, the deal most likely would have been done by now, as there's no domino effect there. No point in waiting for the sake of waiting. Obviously, the Habs have the cap space to take him without moving anyone back, but have to wait for Sundin to decide before they could potentially acquire him. The other Eastern teams in the Sundin sweeps either don't have the cap space (NY Rangers), have too many d-men as is (Toronto), or acquired a PP specialist via free agency (NY Islanders). It'd be an expensive 1-year option, but with no long-term ramifications, it would make it easier to swallow. Something to mull over until the Sundin presser on Friday (rumoured, not yet confirmed)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I know the Habs are going for a C, but I can really see Schneider as a backup plan, and here's why: 1) Brian Burke wants to deal him out East. 2) He does not want to take any salary back so that Selanne can sign the contract he's agreed to terms on, so the interested team must have the $5.625 M in cap space. He also apparently wants Shanahan, solidifying that point further. 3) If an Eastern team not involved in the Sundin sweepstakes wanted Schneider, the deal most likely would have been done by now, as there's no domino effect there. No point in waiting for the sake of waiting. Obviously, the Habs have the cap space to take him without moving anyone back, but have to wait for Sundin to decide before they could potentially acquire him. The other Eastern teams in the Sundin sweeps either don't have the cap space (NY Rangers), have too many d-men as is (Toronto), or acquired a PP specialist via free agency (NY Islanders). It'd be an expensive 1-year option, but with no long-term ramifications, it would make it easier to swallow. Something to mull over until the Sundin presser on Friday (rumoured, not yet confirmed)... I like Schneider and think this makes a sensible option. But what about the possibility of an eventual deal for a C? This would put the kibosh on that, for this season at least. That's why it doesn't seem a Gaineyish move to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I like Schneider and think this makes a sensible option. But what about the possibility of an eventual deal for a C? This would put the kibosh on that, for this season at least. That's why it doesn't seem a Gaineyish move to me. A trade deadline pickup of a centre would still be a possibility, as with less time to go in the season, the cap hit would not be as important. For example, if you have $2m in cap space on Oct. 1, that approximately translates to room to pick up a $8m player on the trade deadline. Sundin is probably the best option in either scenario, but adding a potential UFA C like Andy MacDonald or Henrik Sedin if they became available would be possible, or a bigger name with a long term deal that wanted out of their current team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Well Gainey made no secrets that if Sundin wasnt gonna play for the Habs, he'd be simply looking on the trade market for that top C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Dunno about it because it was first Ek saying it but talks between Montreal and Edmonton would be logical. Edmonton has depth on centre but they are similar in term of offensive and size. Horcrof Gagner Cogliano Schremp Brulé and they are very short on the wings and on defense. Scremp and Cogliano are two very interesting young centers with a lot of offensive upside. Eks says Horcrof but he just signed long term, doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The only one of their centers that would even interest me would be Gagner and he hasn't yet become a #1 centre like we want. Really, the Oilers don't really have anything we could use. How would Horcoff be any better than Plekanec and oivu. We may as well go for Lang, he'd cost at least half as much to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 The only one of their centers that would even interest me would be Gagner and he hasn't yet become a #1 centre like we want. Really, the Oilers don't really have anything we could use. How would Horcoff be any better than Plekanec and oivu. We may as well go for Lang, he'd cost at least half as much to get. Andrew Cogliono would also be a great acquisition as he would fit in nicely on the third line this season, however it would take quite a bit for the Oilers to let him go. They have little depth at the defense positon, especially with their 1st pick in 2008 (Alex Plante) already suffering from back spasms and concussions at the age of 18, and also already being a whinner and asking to be traded away from the Calgary Hitmen (none of those are ever a good sign). Could we package maybe O'Byrne without affecting the current core, it might be difficult... Acquiring either Schremp or Brule would be interesting, but that wouldn't be for this season. The Canadiens are aiming high this season, and we're not in a position where we want to give a trial period to a high risk/high reward type of player. Perhaps we could trade an interesting defense prospect (ex. Carle, Subban, etc) for one of them, but that would only for them to start in Hamilton, and earn their way up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 This is not a rumor, simply an idea, but I wonder what it would take for the Canadiens to acquire Derick Brassard from the Blue Jackets. He could probably fit right away in our lineup as the third line centre, reunited with his Drummondville buddy Guillaume Latendresse and then probably Chris Higgins. He's young, very talented, and had a strong rookie season for the Crunch in the AHL. Also, with Plekanec, Brassard, Chipchura as well as Maxwell in Hamilton, resigning Koivu could no longer be a necessity. The Blue Jacket are pretty a little thin on strong defensive prospects as well as current NHL talents, therefore a prospect like Ryan McDonagh could interest them. It would be a big sacrifice to make, especially since the Habs are very high on him, but Brassard also is a great prospect, and he already has strong chemistry with Latendresse, another of our best young players. Just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 This is not a rumor, simply an idea, but I wonder what it would take for the Canadiens to acquire Derick Brassard from the Blue Jackets. He could probably fit right away in our lineup as the third line centre, reunited with his Drummondville buddy Guillaume Latendresse and then probably Chris Higgins. He's young, very talented, and had a strong rookie season for the Crunch in the AHL. Also, with Plekanec, Brassard, Chipchura as well as Maxwell in Hamilton, resigning Koivu could no longer be a necessity. The Blue Jacket are pretty a little thin on strong defensive prospects as well as current NHL talents, therefore a prospect like Ryan McDonagh could interest them. It would be a big sacrifice to make, especially since the Habs are very high on him, but Brassard also is a great prospect, and he already has strong chemistry with Latendresse, another of our best young players. Just a thought... the problem is that Columbus is even thiner at C. IMO reuniting the two would easier for columbus than montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 the problem is that Columbus is even thiner at C. IMO reuniting the two would easier for columbus than montreal. That's also the main problem I could see with this. We could always try to package Maxwell with a lesser defensive prospect such as Valentenko or even O'Byrne, but then Colombus would probably be stupid to accept; I know I wouldn't trade away a top prospect for 2 good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I don't see BG giving McDonagh up. He will be incredibly valuable very soon. I fully expect him to take Bouillon's spot next year. He plays like the Hamrlik of today with the wheels of the old Hamrlik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I don't see BG giving McDonagh up. He will be incredibly valuable very soon. I fully expect him to take Bouillon's spot next year. He plays like the Hamrlik of today with the wheels of the old Hamrlik. I share your high opinion of McDonagh, but don't see him making the team without some AHL seasoning. Next year, the hope is that one of Valentenko or Carle step up to play in Bouillon's spot, or maybe Emelin. Subban and Weber will get looks as well. More likely that McDonagh goes on the Komisarek learning curve (2 NCAA seasons, 1 full AHL season before getting in the NHL mix). We don't have to rush our prospects if we can maintain our standing near the top of the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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