Chris Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'd be totally open to Morrow on a 2 year deal. Don't see the need to switch him to the RW. The habs would defiantely need to move a body or 2 for roster space. Having good players and competition is a good thing. No one should be guaranteed ice time or a spot. I know that's not reality, but competition makes you better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Morrow finished the season in Pittsburgh with 14pts in 15 games. Ill take that "washed up" left wing all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'd be totally open to Morrow on a 2 year deal. Don't see the need to switch him to the RW. The habs would defiantely need to move a body or 2 for roster space. Having good players and competition is a good thing. No one should be guaranteed ice time or a spot. I know that's not reality, but competition makes you better. Morrow also had 4 points in 14 playoff games. Not exactly suggestive of a guy ripping it up - and if he'd had those totals on a Habs playoff team everyone would be running him out of town on a rail as a washed-up has-been. But that's not what troubles me; we'd be signing him as a bottom-6 guy anyway, who can maybe do stints in the top-6. What still confuses me is that at LW we've got -Patches -Bourque -Galyenchuk -Prust Of those guys, the only one I'd see moving is Bourque...but he brings tools (size, at least occasional willingness to drive the net, some scoring) that this team really needs. He's also 3 years younger than Morrow. Now maybe you can move Galchenyuk to C at some point, but not just to accommodate a 34-year-old UFA Morrow, surely? You can talk about "moving a body to clear up roster space," but who, exactly, are you planning to move to do that? Not trying to be a gadfly here, I just honestly have trouble seeing where Morrow fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Morrow also had 4 points in 14 playoff games. Not exactly suggestive of a guy ripping it up - and if he'd had those totals on a Habs playoff team everyone would be running him out of town on a rail as a washed-up has-been. He was playing with a cracked kneecap in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yes, plus the habs had 9 goals in 5 games. Morrow would add some grit and toughness to the top 9. I's take him in my lineup over Gionta, DD, Moen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Bourque can play either wing. Probably should move him to avoid that silly contract and because he's really not good enough for this team moving forward. Prust, as I had to be reminded about, can play any position at forward comfortably. Morrow wouldn't create that much of a logjam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Bourque was arguably one of the better forwards on the team before and after his injuries. He also has size. There are plenty of underachievers with bad contracts to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Bourque was arguably one of the better forwards on the team before and after his injuries. He also has size. There are plenty of underachievers with bad contracts to move. He hardly uses his size the way he should and his contributions were overrated because people expected him to be outright terrible. He wasn't better than Pacioretty, Plekanec, Gionta, Gallagher, Eller or Ryder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I thought he was better than Gionta and Ryder (after he got hit and was either hurt or quit playing) I honestly had no problem with his play this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I understand that Bourque has a history of being erratic, but I agree with Chris. When healthy he played very well last season and was exactly what the doctor ordered up front. Now, that's no guarantee that he won't lapse back into old habits, but the fact remains. The thing about supplanting Bourque with Morrow is that Morrow is three years older. Maybe not a big deal. Or maybe it is, depending on what you make of our LW prospects. Nonetheless, I tend to agree that Bourque would be the guy to move out - although it'd be a shame not have both his and Morrow's physical edge on the squad at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I don't get the need to move Bourque out; at at $3.33M cap hit he's affordable, will likely put up 40-50 pts and can contribute physically. If it was the Bourque we saw the year he was traded to us, then YES, he should be moved.... but I thought he was a valuable contributor last year, and if he continues in such a fashion, I think he's well worth it at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 bourque plex jagr patches briere DD galchenyuk eller gallgher morrow white prust moen parros gio**(injured) bold= not small seems to me like a pretty damn good offense... a little mix of everything and a team that could with stand even a few injuries. as long as both jagr and morrow can be signed with no perks like NM clauses we should spend the 4.8 on the 2 guys... why not? its like buying draft picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 No to Jagr, Yes to Morrow. Gally Eller Gally Briere Pleks Patches Bourque DD Gionta Prust Morrow White/Parros/Moen ... or trade something to St.Louis for Stewart!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc10 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 No to Jagr, Yes to Morrow. Gally Eller Gally Briere Pleks Patches Bourque DD Gionta Prust Morrow White/Parros/Moen ... or trade something to St.Louis for Stewart!!!!!!!!! I agree with your last sentence. Morrow is too expensive for the 4th line,but put him on a line that needs someone to go to the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 We absolutely can't move Bourque out. When he was healthy, he was one of our most consistent offensive threats. Low cap hit, big, great skater, plays physical and can score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I agree with your last sentence. Morrow is too expensive for the 4th line,but put him on a line that needs someone to go to the net. Unless one of DD, Plekanec or Gionta is moved, I don't see any UFA forward signing with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 as long as both jagr and morrow can be signed with no perks like NM clauses we should spend the 4.8 on the 2 guys... why not? its like buying draft picks They don't have that much money though. That would put them right at the cap line with no room to cover for injuries and would guarantee a cap penalty for next year because surely Galchenyuk and Gallagher will hit at least some of their bonuses. That's not the best of ways to head into next year. Realistically, the Habs have around $2.5-$3 M to spend and part of that is earmarked for White. (The difference would be an allowance for callups, bonuses, and saving space for a deadline acquisition.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 They don't have that much money though. That would put them right at the cap line with no room to cover for injuries and would guarantee a cap penalty for next year because surely Galchenyuk and Gallagher will hit at least some of their bonuses. That's not the best of ways to head into next year. Realistically, the Habs have around $2.5-$3 M to spend and part of that is earmarked for White. (The difference would be an allowance for callups, bonuses, and saving space for a deadline acquisition.) ahh yes... but, then MB would have to move moen,DD and or Gio for picks or a 2/3 for 1 trade in order to upgrade the lineup or get the salary cap down. we will be a team better situated. we would be sitting in a nice cap position going into next season with money to spend and gally and galchenyuk ready for top 3/ top 6 minutes! roster spots open. UFA's like jagr and morrow on 1 or 2 year deals are no brainers in asset mangement sign UFA briere, jagr, morrow. thats 3 definite no questions asked tradable assets. opens door for trades to upgrade the team or sell back for more picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I think sometimes fans over rate the ability to 'just trade X,Y,Z, players for draft picks'. You cannot assume there is a market for players, especially this season when the cap has been lowered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I think sometimes fans over rate the ability to 'just trade X,Y,Z, players for draft picks'. You cannot assume there is a market for players, especially this season when the cap has been lowered. i think recent history shows that Jagr and Morrow are in fact tradeable, very easily i might add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 i think recent history shows that Jagr and Morrow are in fact tradeable, very easily i might add. Jagr cost Boston a first round pick (conditional second that turned into a second because Boston made the ECF) and two prospects. Morrow was him and a third for Joe Morrow and a fifth. Veterans with credibility are always tradeable at the deadline. Heck, that's why Buffalo is so interested in Jagr. They don't want Jagr for a Cup run, they want Jagr to trade him at the deadline for a first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 ahh yes... but, then MB would have to move moen,DD and or Gio for picks or a 2/3 for 1 trade in order to upgrade the lineup or get the salary cap down. we will be a team better situated. we would be sitting in a nice cap position going into next season with money to spend and gally and galchenyuk ready for top 3/ top 6 minutes! roster spots open. UFA's like jagr and morrow on 1 or 2 year deals are no brainers in asset mangement sign UFA briere, jagr, morrow. thats 3 definite no questions asked tradable assets. opens door for trades to upgrade the team or sell back for more picks. Moen, Desharnais, and Gionta aren't exactly in high demand though; the latter may not be ready to start the season even. I agree with you that the older UFA's are a great way to manage assets for that exact reason, I just don't see teams lining up to trade non-NHL assets (prospects/picks) for these guys right now, not with the free agents that are still out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Moen, Desharnais, and Gionta aren't exactly in high demand though; the latter may not be ready to start the season even. I agree with you that the older UFA's are a great way to manage assets for that exact reason, I just don't see teams lining up to trade non-NHL assets (prospects/picks) for these guys right now, not with the free agents that are still out there. agreed, we dont need to move those guys today! what we need to do is sign morrow and jagr then we'll worry about the cap tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 agreed, we dont need to move those guys today! what we need to do is sign morrow and jagr then we'll worry about the cap tomorrow Would both fit under the offseason cap ($64.3M + 10%)? The formula is all one-way contracts plus pro-rated two-way guys relative to their amount of time spent on the roster (and there's a lot of them). I don't think they could get both signed and stay under that number to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I'm beginning to think Penner is a more feasible option than is Jagr. Morrow and Penner make us much tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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