Trizzak Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot (sign and trade) Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Pouliot is a notable omission because I just don't think he fits the team. We saw Eller "get it" in the playoffs... Pouliot didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Edited April 28, 2011 by BCHabnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Bold = yesses Italic = maybes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrenDittero Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davehab Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik--if he takes a big pay cut James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber--forward/defence swing man Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckdkool Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn do not overpay. Benoit Pouliot maybe, if he adds 15 pounds or muscle, if not, no thanks, to soft for his size. Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt - maybe if he's dirt cheap, just another small, soft player on a small soft team. Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov - cheap, if not, no thanks. Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski maybe, price needs to be right, he or weber, they are the same player, no need for both Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges if the price is right and his knee is ok Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld Reply and bold your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld I'm sorry, but I wish good luck to A.K. elsewhere. Love his potential and sudden bursts of life, but we need players that will become warriors shift after shift in the playoffs, not spectators. Same for Pouliot. He's a great guy, but too risky defensively. Wiz is great too, but a mental lapses machine. Markov is the full package. Very solid defensively and a counterattack magician. Cammy will love having him back on the PP. Subban-Markov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 This sounds as good a time as ever to announce an offseason series I'll be running between now and the draft, taking an individual look at most of the players on this list and noting the pros and cons of keeping them/letting them go. So I'll withhold my picks until that time. I'll probably kick the series off in a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 This sounds as good a time as ever to announce an offseason series I'll be running between now and the draft, taking an individual look at most of the players on this list and noting the pros and cons of keeping them/letting them go. So I'll withhold my picks until that time. I'll probably kick the series off in a couple of weeks. This thread begs the question "who do you let go?" Let me be first to put GOMEZ's name at top of that list. I really didn't see the player that was described yesterday. He gives the puck to the opposition more often than he gives it to his own players. GET RID OF HIM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 This thread begs the question "who do you let go?" Let me be first to put GOMEZ's name at top of that list. I really didn't see the player that was described yesterday. He gives the puck to the opposition more often than he gives it to his own players. GET RID OF HIM! Unfortunately we are stuck with his contract for still a long time. Can't believe we had to give a bluechip prospect and a young gun for him. At least we got Pyatt in that trade. Oh yeah, and we were able to land Gionta and Cammalleri. Wow, big deal. Bad timing to have money to spend. That said we don't have the choice to keep them. We have to upgrade Moen and A.K. on the top 2 lines. We can't go far with that current setup, we all know it. Taking for granted that Max Pax will start on Gomez's line, we need to find a huge upgrade on A.K. That's the only thing we can do. None of the remaining top 6 are tradable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Unfortunately we are stuck with his contract for still a long time. Can't believe we had to give a bluechip prospect and a young gun for him. At least we got Pyatt in that trade. Oh yeah, and we were able to land Gionta and Cammalleri. Wow, big deal. Bad timing to have money to spend. That said we don't have the choice to keep them. We have to upgrade Moen and A.K. on the top 2 lines. We can't go far with that current setup, we all know it. Taking for granted that Max Pax will start on Gomez's line, we need to find a huge upgrade on A.K. That's the only thing we can do. None of the remaining top 6 are tradable. I hate this 'we're stuck with him' logic. Not that the argument is unsound. But again, I look to the Chicagos and Philadelphias - teams that don't give a rat's ass about anything except winning. Worse comes to worst, you bury Gomer Pyle's contract in the minors and the Molson's bottom line be damned. However, I don't think he's completely unmoveable. There were rumours of Pheonix being interested at the deadline. Some cap-floor-challenged team might look at his speed and passing and think that, freed of JM's system, this guy could help. Gauthier should be turning every stone to see if it can be made to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I hate this 'we're stuck with him' logic. Not that the argument is unsound. But again, I look to the Chicagos and Philadelphias - teams that don't give a rat's ass about anything except winning. Worse comes to worst, you bury Gomer Pyle's contract in the minors and the Molson's bottom line be damned. However, I don't think he's completely unmoveable. There were rumours of Pheonix being interested at the deadline. Some cap-floor-challenged team might look at his speed and passing and think that, freed of JM's system, this guy could help. Gauthier should be turning every stone to see if it can be made to happen. It is a bet. Molson knows how close he was of getting to the 2nd round and reap the benefit$$. Burying Gomez's contract (8M), replacing him with 8M of better stock, that's a 16M investment. Now does that 16M investment gets you further in the playoff where you'll be able to make your money back? It's a pretty huge contract to bury. And probably not worth it. It is a bet. Molson knows how close he was of getting to the 2nd round and reap the benefit$$. Burying Gomez's contract (8M), replacing him with 8M of better stock, that's a 16M investment. Now does that 16M investment gets you further in the playoff where you'll be able to make your money back? It's a pretty huge contract to bury. And probably not worth it. I correct myself.. it's an additional 8M investment, not 16. But still, you have to get to the 3rd round at least to get return on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) I can almost guarantee this. Gomez will be around for one more year. His cap hit savings for a team looking to reach the cap floor are not good enough. Next year, there will be a savings and could see him go somewhere. One of Markov or Wiz will be signed. Not both. One of Hammer or Gill will be signed. Not both. I am in favour of signing Pyatt. I love teams with shutdown lines, and while I know that we don't have a shutdown centre, having Moen and Pyatt on a line with a Paullson, Madden, Malhotra type would be huge. Just look at the gains the Canucks had during the season by freeing Kessler from all of the defensive duties, contrasted with his post season performance when drawing regular duties against Toews. Yes, he is playing well, but think of how well he would do without those minutes. I think Halpern could very well be that guy, but he needs to stay on the line and not have to move up all the time. The same can be said for Moen and Darche. They are not top sixers, but due to lack of top six depth and size on wing, they are being moved up too much and are miss cast. While many want to see Wiz signed, I would much rather see that money go toward an impact top sixer. I think the depth at defense will look a little better just with a healthy roster Gio/Gomez/Patch Impact guy/Plek/Cammie Kosty/Eller/Desharnais (not ideal because Desharnais is a good centre) Moen/Halpern/Pyatt Darche White Markov/Gorges Hammer or Gill/Subban (I know he is great on the PK, but I preffer Hammer for a few years because of versatility) Yemilin??? insert signed denseman here/Weber Spacek Edited April 29, 2011 by BCHabnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Andrei Kostitsyn Benoit Pouliot Max Pacioretty Ryan White Jeff Halpern David Desharnais Tom Pyatt Mathieu Darche Andrei Markov Roman Hamrlik James Wisniewski Brent Sopel Hal Gill Josh Gorges Yannick Weber Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld IN case you guys didn't know. I just read in LaPresse that Eller played games 6 and 7 with a dislocated shoulder! Pretty damn impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Here's on offseason thread that I hope will generate some good discussion. IIT we opine on re-signing players - who is worth coming back and who is worth letting go. No trade discussion, no outside UFA replacements named... just who should come back of those that could go. Expiring contracts (some RFA, some UFA): Andrei Kostitsyn-- too good a talent to let go now Benoit Pouliot-- one last chance Max Pacioretty- no brainer Ryan White-- Abrasive and cheap Jeff Halpern David Desharnais-cheap and effective Tom Pyatt--ditto Mathieu Darche- ditto Andrei Markov-- hopefully some hometown discount Roman Hamrlik-- only with a big pay cut, but he is great on 3rd pair and can step up when needed James Wisniewski-- not sure if it is possible, but hopefully he wants to settle in mtl and take term over dollars.. yeh, I know, but i can dream Brent Sopel- would love to keep him, but how do you afford, let alone keep happy 8 nhl defensemen Hal Gill-- great penality killer, great balance for PK Josh Gorges-- he's earned it Yannick Weber-- both forward and defence, timely goals, what more do you want? Paul Mara Alexandre Picard Alex Auld I think that the Wiz will probably go. I see our defence in no particular order: Subban, markov, Hamrlik, Gill, Gorges, Spachek, Weber Reply and bold your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Easier to peg out when you specify which player is RFA vs UFA (as I'd fathom most RFAs will be retained) Andrei Kostitsyn RFA Benoit Pouliot RFA Max Pacioretty RFA Ryan White RFA Jeff Halpern UFA David Desharnais RFA Tom Pyatt RFA Mathieu Darche UFA Andrei Markov UFA Roman Hamrlik UFA James Wisniewski UFA Brent Sopel UFA Hal Gill UFA Josh Gorges RFA Yannick Weber RFA Paul Mara UFA Alexandre Picard RFA Alex Auld UFA Of the RFAs, I see Picard being let go. Of the UFAs, I foresee Darche, Markov and Gill returning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I can almost guarantee this. Gomez will be around for one more year. His cap hit savings for a team looking to reach the cap floor are not good enough. Next year, there will be a savings and could see him go somewhere. One of Markov or Wiz will be signed. Not both. One of Hammer or Gill will be signed. Not both. I am in favour of signing Pyatt. I love teams with shutdown lines, and while I know that we don't have a shutdown centre, having Moen and Pyatt on a line with a Paullson, Madden, Malhotra type would be huge. Just look at the gains the Canucks had during the season by freeing Kessler from all of the defensive duties, contrasted with his post season performance when drawing regular duties against Toews. Yes, he is playing well, but think of how well he would do without those minutes. I think Halpern could very well be that guy, but he needs to stay on the line and not have to move up all the time. The same can be said for Moen and Darche. They are not top sixers, but due to lack of top six depth and size on wing, they are being moved up too much and are miss cast. While many want to see Wiz signed, I would much rather see that money go toward an impact top sixer. I think the depth at defense will look a little better just with a healthy roster Gio/Gomez/Patch Impact guy/Plek/Cammie Kosty/Eller/Desharnais (not ideal because Desharnais is a good centre) Moen/Halpern/Pyatt Darche White Markov/Gorges Hammer or Gill/Subban (I know he is great on the PK, but I preffer Hammer for a few years because of versatility) Yemilin??? insert signed denseman here/Weber Spacek Interesting. But I think this team is built from the net out, and that changing that philosophy would be unwise. Beyond that, it has always been my belief that championships are most often won from the back end (c.f. Chicago last season) - the first thing I look at when assessing a team is the blueline. So my preference is to invest in the absolute best blueline we can; you're better off crossing your fingers on Pacioretty or Kostitsyn than on the patchy blueline you propose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Brian might know this, but do we have to offer Picard a one-way contract on his qualifying offer? If we do, I could see us walking from him. If we can give him a two-way deal on the QO, then I see no reason not to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Brian might know this, but do we have to offer Picard a one-way contract on his qualifying offer? If we do, I could see us walking from him. If we can give him a two-way deal on the QO, then I see no reason not to sign him. I'm glad I looked this up as my gut feeling said it has to be 1-way. From my interpretation of the CBA though, I don't think it needs to be. There are 3 criteria that needs to be met for a 1-way offer (or at least that's how I read it): - 180 NHL GP over the last 3 years (Picard is at 144), - 60 NHL GP in the previous year (Picard played 43), and - Hasn't cleared waivers during the season including the 12 days prior to the start of the year (the preseason waiver period) (Picard hits this one as he never was waived) Based on that, I'd say they can give him a two-way qualifying offer. The QO would be for $660,000 in the NHL with a minimum AHL salary of $105,000 (equal to this year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I'm glad I looked this up as my gut feeling said it has to be 1-way. From my interpretation of the CBA though, I don't think it needs to be. There are 3 criteria that needs to be met for a 1-way offer (or at least that's how I read it): - 180 NHL GP over the last 3 years (Picard is at 144), - 60 NHL GP in the previous year (Picard played 43), and - Hasn't cleared waivers during the season including the 12 days prior to the start of the year (the preseason waiver period) (Picard hits this one as he never was waived) Based on that, I'd say they can give him a two-way qualifying offer. The QO would be for $660,000 in the NHL with a minimum AHL salary of $105,000 (equal to this year). Then give him a QO. No harm in it, gives the team some depth in case of early season injuries. He can reject it and sign in Russia if he wants, or take his chances on another Habs tryout. $660k isn't a concern, considering minimum wage next year gets bumped up to $575k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Gauthier has his work cut out for him this year. I have no doubt that many will be disapointed. My fear is that we will have to watch another year of Darche, Moen and Halpern and Pouliot on the top 6. The only one that belongs there is Benny but he just seems to be missing something. He has been better than we give him credit for, but not much. I would really like to see yemilin try out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Gauthier has his work cut out for him this year. I have no doubt that many will be disapointed. My fear is that we will have to watch another year of Darche, Moen and Halpern and Pouliot on the top 6. The only one that belongs there is Benny but he just seems to be missing something. He has been better than we give him credit for, but not much. I would really like to see yemilin try out here. Looks like you forget about Max Pac. He's the 6th forward IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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