The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I just think that he would benefit as a player by a year in the ahl That's the thing. I don't blame Emelin for negotiating an escape hatch. The worrisome thing, though, is that it suggests either an attitude of entitlement ('I will take my ball and go home') or a fairly casual, shoulder-shurgging attitude to an NHL career ('well, let's see if this works out, if I have problems I'll just go back'). What we want, of course, are players dedicated to making it in the NHL even if it doesn't come easily. Emelin may in fact be willing to pay some dues, but his track record of refusing to come over here coupled with his ejector-seat contract implies the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The KHL is a better league than the AHL. He's already been a star in the KHL, so I fully understand his position, even not considering the money involved. Mark Streit had the same clause and people on these boards were mad at him for that, yet it didn't hinder him to practice everyday with the NHL team and wait for his chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The KHL is a better league than the AHL. He's already been a star in the KHL, so I fully understand his position, even not considering the money involved. Mark Streit had the same clause and people on these boards were mad at him for that, yet it didn't hinder him to practice everyday with the NHL team and wait for his chance. Again, I believe that Emelin would really benefit from a few months in Hamilton, being the number one guy, gaining confidence with his physical play and getting used to our rinks and style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I don't think the AHL would help him that much. He is a useable 6th or 7th defenseman right now. I would like to see him in the big team slowly adjusting. I think Markov will be a huge mentor for him. I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 That's the thing. I don't blame Emelin for negotiating an escape hatch. The worrisome thing, though, is that it suggests ... a fairly casual, shoulder-shrugging attitude to an NHL career ('well, let's see if this works out, if I have problems I'll just go back'). It's totally understandable why he would feel this way though. I don't think you can blame him for preferring to be a rich star player at home than a benchwarmer in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 It's totally understandable why he would feel this way though. I don't think you can blame him for preferring to be a rich star player at home than a benchwarmer in Montreal. I do not think any of us blame him for that. We just want the habs to be great haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I do not think any of us blame him for that. We just want the habs to be great haha. That's exactly it. We see what's best for the team while a player has to look out for his livelihood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 That's exactly it. We see what's best for the team while a player has to look out for his livelihood. Which we obviously won't condemn... more ice time would help though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well there was one person who said problems with Emelin are similar to the problems the Habs have had with Malakhov, the Kostitsyns, Grabovski, etc... and they are nothing of the sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalPanesar Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Great to hear Yemelin is doing well; Ian Shultz was also hitting everything in sight last year if i remember correctly (till he hurt shoulder and has kind of flopped since then) Who will be the 7th d-man once Markov is back (if he even misses games); Weber, Spacek or Yemelin? Weber most likely i assume ? I don't think Weber is a lock by any stretch. Diaz has looked real good and seems to get better each game. Honestly, the Habs will have an embarrassment of riches once Markov is back. Firstly, it will push Emelin to the 8th d-spot and that's a move that might make his flee for the KHL. As it is, he isn't thrilled about being a healthy scratch. With Weber and Diaz, they have both shown they're NHL ready and are both similar style players. As such, I don't see them sitting for long (when Markov comes back and IF he can stay healthy). In all honesty, if Markov can stay healthy all signs point to some kind of trade of either Weber or Diaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I don't think Weber is a lock by any stretch. Diaz has looked real good and seems to get better each game. Honestly, the Habs will have an embarrassment of riches once Markov is back. Firstly, it will push Emelin to the 8th d-spot and that's a move that might make his flee for the KHL. As it is, he isn't thrilled about being a healthy scratch. With Weber and Diaz, they have both shown they're NHL ready and are both similar style players. As such, I don't see them sitting for long (when Markov comes back and IF he can stay healthy). In all honesty, if Markov can stay healthy all signs point to some kind of trade of either Weber or Diaz. Why not keep em both and have them 2 next year and not sign campoli? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I really want Emelin on this team. It seems we've been waiting years for him to finally make the trip to North America. Even looking beyond this year, when Spacek leaves, and does Gill stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I really want Emelin on this team. It seems we've been waiting years for him to finally make the trip to North America. Even looking beyond this year, when Spacek leaves, and does Gill stay? I forgot Gill's contract runs out as well... Will Gill be going? Spacek will be gone I assume Campoli will as well. Will Gill leave opening roster spots for Diaz, Weber and Emelin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I do not think any of us blame him for that. We just want the habs to be great haha. Yeah. The Habs need to look out for themselves, Emelin needs to look out for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I don't think Weber is a lock by any stretch. Diaz has looked real good and seems to get better each game. Honestly, the Habs will have an embarrassment of riches once Markov is back. Firstly, it will push Emelin to the 8th d-spot and that's a move that might make his flee for the KHL. As it is, he isn't thrilled about being a healthy scratch. Being the 8th D does not allow him to leave... only a demotion to Hamilton would trigger the clause. With Weber and Diaz, they have both shown they're NHL ready and are both similar style players. As such, I don't see them sitting for long (when Markov comes back and IF he can stay healthy).In all honesty, if Markov can stay healthy all signs point to some kind of trade of either Weber or Diaz. Agreed at some point there will be too much redundancy, especially on the right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I forgot Gill's contract runs out as well... Will Gill be going? Spacek will be gone I assume Campoli will as well. Will Gill leave opening roster spots for Diaz, Weber and Emelin? The problem is that Diaz, Weber, and Subban are all RH shots who provide puck moving ability. Subban is a lock to stay in the lineup, so the other to Right sided D spots should be one of Diaz/Weber and one shut down player, to provide balance. Subban does both. Diaz and Weber are both more offence than defence. So it leaves a problem if all three are in the lineup, there is no big shutdown D on the right, but there is plenty of offence. There is no internal balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 The problem is that Diaz, Weber, and Subban are all RH shots who provide puck moving ability. Subban is a lock to stay in the lineup, so the other to Right sided D spots should be one of Diaz/Weber and one shut down player, to provide balance. Subban does both. Diaz and Weber are both more offence than defence. So it leaves a problem if all three are in the lineup, there is no big shutdown D on the right, but there is plenty of offence. There is no internal balance. Personally, I like the idea of having all 3 of them in the lineup. Just pair each with someone who can play defense responsively, there is your balance. You could then build your breakout from the right side each shift, cutting out all confusion. I don't like this theory of having "shut down" specialists, other than on the penalty kill. You are basically giving up on offense just to make sure the other team doesn't score. I'd rather have a team full of offense and make the other team try to "shut down" our offense. But that is just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 The problem is that Diaz, Weber, and Subban are all RH shots who provide puck moving ability. Subban is a lock to stay in the lineup, so the other to Right sided D spots should be one of Diaz/Weber and one shut down player, to provide balance. Subban does both. Diaz and Weber are both more offence than defence. So it leaves a problem if all three are in the lineup, there is no big shutdown D on the right, but there is plenty of offence. There is no internal balance. Just to add, Gorges is fully capable of playing RD which does make one of Diaz or Weber redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just to add, Gorges is fully capable of playing RD which does make one of Diaz or Weber redundant. But I've enjoyed him on the left so far. It seems he's getting the puck to the net a lot more often now than I remembering him doing before on the right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just to add, Gorges is fully capable of playing RD which does make one of Diaz or Weber redundant. Yeah could Diaz or Weber try LD? They are young and could adapt. Not like Spacek who is an old dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah could Diaz or Weber try LD? They are young and could adapt. Not like Spacek who is an old dog moving a righty to the left is much rarer than moving a lefty to the right. Fact is something like 75% of players are lefties. So nearly every lefty was forced to play on the wrong side at some point of their development, but righties haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Personally, I like the idea of having all 3 of them in the lineup. Just pair each with someone who can play defense responsively, there is your balance. You could then build your breakout from the right side each shift, cutting out all confusion. I don't like this theory of having "shut down" specialists, other than on the penalty kill. You are basically giving up on offense just to make sure the other team doesn't score. I'd rather have a team full of offense and make the other team try to "shut down" our offense. But that is just my opinion. you've also got markov on the left for 3 years, as well as beaulieu on the way behind him. I think we need at least two guys who provide a physical presence on d. So to me that is eventually emelin plus tinordi, but you might need someone in the interim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Lots of great discussion in here. I really want Emelin to get a chance and I believe he can be what the Habs need. I do believe Spacek and Gill are playing their final seasons in Montreal and possibly the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Lots of great discussion in here. I really want Emelin to get a chance and I believe he can be what the Habs need. I do believe Spacek and Gill are playing their final seasons in Montreal and possibly the league. I really do like Gill, I dont think Spacek has a future left, but I wonder if Gill is going to retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I really do like Gill, I dont think Spacek has a future left, but I wonder if Gill is going to retire. If he does retire I hope the Habs offer him a job. I bet he could do wonders with morale. Moving his family again with young children seems annoying so just offer him a 3 year deal as coach of some kind or morale guy and keep him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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