The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/21/2019 at 6:45 AM, Commandant said: Players in the NHL already? Like Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and Fleury.... three starters who are 20, 20, and 19. We've recently graduated three very young players to the NHL and people are complaining about the depth of the prospect system because only a few players are knocking at the door in Laval. Meanwhile, Poehling and Juulsen are really close, and there is a ton of depth that is a year or two away. And they say that those who don't agree with them are the ones drinking the kool-aid? Madness. For me, the Kool-Aid is not that we have a good system, it's the idea that if we just wait three years we'll obviously have a contending team. Already I notice that the target date has been sliding, Last year we said 'wait three years.' This year we say 'wait three years.' It would not surprise me if we say the same thing next year. The eternal three-year Window of Delayed Gratification. The Habs have good prospects and none that project to be high-end elite players. I guess you can win with depth - I love the roll-four-lines model - but it'd be nice to have a bona-fide franchise cornerstone or two in that mix. Other teams produce elite-level young guns. We produce guys who seem to project to be quality 50-60 point players. Our franchise cornerstones are well over 30 and no one in the system projects to be at their level. I guess we can be like Bergevin and say 'well, I don't care about the Price/Weber window.' (Petry will be aging out in three years too, as Gallagher conceivably could also, given the pounding his body has taken over the years). Personally I don't understand why we appear to be uninterested in winning before that mystical three-year target date. Who knows, it might all work out. But given how many times we've been told the same story - remember when Komisarek, Higgins, Perezhogin and the Kostitsyn Bros. were supposed to be the nucleus of a future contender? How about Pacioretty and Subban? - I remain puzzled by the gullibility of people who seem to think that in three years, presto! We'll be great. This is especially true given that our GM has a track record of not addressing major roster holes in a timely manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/21/2019 at 9:45 AM, Commandant said: Players in the NHL already? Like Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and Fleury.... three starters who are 20, 20, and 19. We've recently graduated three very young players to the NHL and people are complaining about the depth of the prospect system because only a few players are knocking at the door in Laval. Meanwhile, Poehling and Juulsen are really close, and there is a ton of depth that is a year or two away. And they say that those who don't agree with them are the ones drinking the kool-aid? Madness. I am not talking about a year or two away I am talking about right now. Price and Weber are playing at a high level. We're at least one top LD playmaking D away from being a playoff team this year, and a hard one to play against at that. But we don't have the depth RIGHT NOW in the organization to over come long term injuries to key players. You can see it all ready in these 3 losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: We're at least one top LD playmaking D away from being a playoff team this year You do know that the Habs are in a playoff spot right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Drouin at practice today! (OK, OK, only on the bench.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, DON said: You do know that the Habs are in a playoff spot right now. now , which is why we can't afford to tail spin and go on a slide like we always do when we lose key players to long term injuries. Lost Price to long term injury did nothing to replace his production and we missed the playoffs. Lost Weber to injury did nothing to replace His production and missed the playof Drouin doesn't have as much impact as Price and Weber but he was off to a great start this year and was putting up points 15pts in 19 games played. No one has stepped up for the team, and you can see it in their last 3 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said: now , which is why we can't afford to tail spin and go on a slide like we always do when we lose key players to long term injuries. Lost Price to long term injury did nothing to replace his production and we missed the playoffs. Lost Weber to injury did nothing to replace His production and missed the playof Drouin doesn't have as much impact as Price and Weber but he was off to a great start this year and was putting up points 15pts in 19 games played. No one has stepped up for the team, and you can see it in their last 3 games. Drouin had all of 3pts in last 6 games played, so not like he was ripping it up or would be hard to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, DON said: Drouin had all of 3pts in last 6 games played, so not like he was ripping it up or would be hard to replace. He opens up ice for his line mate's , just because he doesn't get points doesn't mean he is doing nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 It does not, no. But neither does his injury impact the team as much as one to Price or Weber would. We argue about depth, or the lack thereof, and why we don’t have top-line forwards ready to go in Laval. But the reality is that any NHL team will have its 20 best players on its NHL roster, and its AHL players will be weaker than those 20: they will be weaker than the fourth-line or third-pair players on the NHL team. So when one of the NHL players is injured, and the team draws on its AHL roster, it will pick up a weaker player than the injured one. Every team. Every time. For no team does an injury improve the strength of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Habsfan89 said: just because he doesn't get points doesn't mean he is doing nothing. It did last spring when he added zero offense and every year for Pacioretty during cold streaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 Every team in the league will have a stretch of 3 games where they pick up 2 points only. The sky isnt falling. Lets not overreact to a small downturn when the team was 7-1-2 in the ten games prior to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Every team in the league will have a stretch of 3 games where they pick up 2 points only. The sky isnt falling. Lets not overreact to a small downturn when the team was 7-1-2 in the ten games prior to that. Not over reacting, just going on past experience with this team and injures. It happens all the time not just with Bergevin's team's but Bob's also, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 The price injury and the markov injury were game changers Nothing else has had that effect And as good as drouin has been hes not at the level that price or markov was on those teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Mete injured enough to not make the trip to Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Trizzak said: Mete injured enough to not make the trip to Boston. Gawd. The LD is a disaster zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Looks like the official word on Mete is 2 weeks. Man oh man this D is in trouble. this could be a long losing streak, and our season ending before the all star break. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: Looks like the official word on Mete is 2 weeks. Man oh man this D is in trouble. this could be a long losing streak, and our season ending before the all star break. I thought you want a lottery pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I thought you want a lottery pick? I don't want a lottery pick i want a cup theirs a difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs#4,9,10,33 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Any updates on a return for Mete and KK? I have tickets for the Habs in Edmonton game here. Really hoping for a NHL roster and a win! thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, habs#4,9,10,33 said: Any updates on a return for Mete and KK? I have tickets for the Habs in Edmonton game here. Really hoping for a NHL roster and a win! thanks Byron may be back saturday. Havent heard anything on mete or kk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Peca out 6 weeks with a knee injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Setback for Byron? He was skating with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habber31 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Byron has done nothing this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 Mete and KK are practicing with the team but are wearing non-contact jerseys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Mete and KK are practicing with the team but are wearing non-contact jerseys. Good to hear that they are back on the ice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs#4,9,10,33 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Mete and KK are practicing with the team but are wearing non-contact jerseys. As long as both are ready for the Oiler game next Saturday, all is good in the universe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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