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5 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

Band aid moves are ones you do to not upgrade your team when you lose a key guy to injury, but you plug  in 4th line players on the top lines and call up unready players in hopes you can weather the storm. In every case you mentioned the team went into a losing streak because of it as a result they never recover when the player got back and we missed the playoff. We're not a deep team when it comes to NHL ready prospects not yet anyway. 

 

He thinks that his 4th line players and not NHL ready prospects will some how over night become superstars. Which never happens.

 

He's not the only gm to do this Bob did this also. He would always trade for a washed up veteran player to fill the gap tell the player got back from injury.

 

That is why when ever we have key injuries when end up losing games and seeing the try weaknesses of the club.

 

Who has St. Louis traded for to deal with the injury to Tarasenko?

 

Who has Pittsburgh traded for to deal with the injury to Sidney Crosby?

What about the injury to Letang?

 

Who has Boston traded for to deal with the injury to Torey Krug?

 

Who has Calgary traded for to deal with the injury to T.J. Brodie?

 

Who has Colorado traded for with not just one, but both of their goalies injured?

 

Who has Dallas traded for with Roope Hintz and John Klingberg on IR?

 

Who has Winnipeg traded for with Dustin Byfuglien's issues?


There is a reason why teams don't make trades to get someone better than a 4th liner to replace a big time player on a short term injury?  Other teams aren't stupid.  They know you are desperate and charge an arm and a leg for anything that resembles a replacement. 

 

Teams have key injuries and it causes them to lose games.  Happens to every team in the league.  The idea that this is different in Montreal and that we should somehow be immune is just silliness.

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7 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Who has St. Louis traded for to deal with the injury to Tarasenko?

 

Who has Pittsburgh traded for to deal with the injury to Sidney Crosby?

What about the injury to Letang?

 

Who has Boston traded for to deal with the injury to Torey Krug?

 

Who has Calgary traded for to deal with the injury to T.J. Brodie?

 

Who has Colorado traded for with not just one, but both of their goalies injured?

 

Who has Dallas traded for with Roope Hintz and John Klingberg on IR?

 

Who has Winnipeg traded for with Dustin Byfuglien's issues?


There is a reason why teams don't make trades to get someone better than a 4th liner to replace a big time player on a short term injury?  Other teams aren't stupid.  They know you are desperate and charge an arm and a leg for anything that resembles a replacement. 

 

Teams have key injuries and it causes them to lose games.  Happens to every team in the league.  The idea that this is different in Montreal and that we should somehow be immune is just silliness.

They're deeper in prospect pool then we are right now.  We have just turned the corner when it comes to our farm system next few years we may have the talent to call up to replace guys do to injuries. But right now we don't. Hudon isn't going to replace Drouin, poehling isn't going to replace Drouin. Theirs no one that will replace his skill set and if you think those will for 8 weeks you're going to be disappointed with the results.

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20 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

They're deeper in prospect pool then we are right now. 

 

Our prospect pool (in the farm system) is ranked sixth by both ESPN and the Athletic. St Louis is #3. Pittsburgh is #23. Boston is #27. Calgary is #31. Colorado is #2. Dallas is #24. Winnipeg is #28. Apart from the Blues and the Avalanche, those teams do not have stronger pools to draw from.

 

I disagree on a LW panic move. I hope Bergevin is staying focused on finding a top LD for us, that will make a bigger impact than emergency top-six winger. And we don't have cap space for both.

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23 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

They're deeper in prospect pool then we are right now.  We have just turned the corner when it comes to our farm system next few years we may have the talent to call up to replace guys do to injuries. But right now we don't. Hudon isn't going to replace Drouin, poehling isn't going to replace Drouin. Theirs no one that will replace his skill set and if you think those will for 8 weeks you're going to be disappointed with the results.

 

This isnt a one year thing.  Every year teams have big time players take 2 month injuries and the vast majority of them dont trade for replacements.  A few do sure, but its usually a team that sees themselves as an immediate cup contender and drouin or no drouin we arent winning a cup this year.

 

You dont overpay and sacrifice your future for the next two months when we arent winning the cup anyway

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4 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

This isnt a one year thing.  Every year teams have big time players take 2 month injuries and the vast majority of them dont trade for replacements.  A few do sure, but its usually a team that sees themselves as an immediate cup contender and drouin or no drouin we arent winning a cup this year.

 

You dont overpay and sacrifice your future for the next two months when we arent winning the cup anyway

But they have the depth we don't. These team's 4th and 3rd line players can be top 6 players. If they lose a key player they have the depth to over come it. 

 

We don't have that depth. 

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Just now, Habsfan89 said:

But they have the depth we don't.

 

Who does, apart from St Louis and Colorado? Only a handful of teams have better farm systems than we do.

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40 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

 

Our prospect pool (in the farm system) is ranked sixth by both ESPN and the Athletic. St Louis is #3. Pittsburgh is #23. Boston is #27. Calgary is #31. Colorado is #2. Dallas is #24. Winnipeg is #28. Apart from the Blues and the Avalanche, those teams do not have stronger pools to draw from.

 

I disagree on a LW panic move. I hope Bergevin is staying focused on finding a top LD for us, that will make a bigger impact than emergency top-six winger. And we don't have cap space for both.

 

Agreed. Byron was doing f*ck all anyway, so it's basically one player we have to replace; and with all due respect to Drouin, if he's the difference between winning and losing, your team is in trouble anyway. Ride it out.

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56 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

 

Who does, apart from St Louis and Colorado? Only a handful of teams have better farm systems than we do.

Its not just the farm system its their NHL club. They have depth on all 4 lines, if a top player or two go down players can move up and fill that roll. We don't have that depth on our big club.

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41 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

Its not just the farm system its their NHL club. They have depth on all 4 lines, if a top player or two go down players can move up and fill that roll. We don't have that depth on our big club.

Montreal's forward nhl depth is very good. That's why they can roll 4 lines. Jordan weal would not be a scratch on most teams. He is scratched in Montreal because the depth forces it.

 

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Kotkaniemi armia Suzuki domi can all play top 6. And the bottom 6 will remain strong with uncle Nate, weal, cousins, kk or suzuki, lehkonen, hudon or poeling. 

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Montreal doesnt have the high end talent to have a crosby in their forward group or a malkin or a mcdavid and draisatl or a matthews, tavares, marner and nylander group etc...

 

But the idea that they dont have forward depth and cant roll four lines?  Hogwash.  You havent been paying attention if that is your argument.

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2 hours ago, tomh009 said:

 

Who does, apart from St Louis and Colorado? Only a handful of teams have better farm systems than we do.

Really??? How successful of a farm team do we have????  What have they actually won???  We have some prospects that may one day become good players, but there is no one other than Poehling that you can say MAY be knocking on the door.  I’d include Hudon based on recent play, but he must have screwed julien’s or something.

 

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Montreal doesnt have the high end talent to have a crosby in their forward group or a malkin or a mcdavid and draisatl or a matthews, tavares, marner and nylander group etc...

 

But the idea that they dont have forward depth and cant roll four lines?  Hogwash.  You havent been paying attention if that is your argument.

Malkin goes down, Crosby ups his game and carries the team on his back.  Than Crosby went down and first game Malkin gets a goal and an assist.  
 

we don’t even have anyone comparable to Malkin or Crosby, let alone having two guys that can shoulder the load.  I’ll take the top end skill over having more  marginal 1st/2nd line players.

 

bottom line is this team is not going to miss Drouin as much as the hole on LD that bergevin has left vacant since chasing Markov out of town.

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2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Really??? How successful of a farm team do we have????  What have they actually won???  We have some prospects that may one day become good players, but there is no one other than Poehling that you can say MAY be knocking on the door.  I’d include Hudon based on recent play, but he must have screwed julien’s or something.

 

Cole caufield is an elite level prospect. Poehling is an nhler by next season.  Primeau is a probable future starter. Juulsen, Brook, and Romonov are probable full time nhler. Many others are showing a likelihood of being nhler. Several of these have impact potential.  Not something I could say 2 years ago.

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3 hours ago, BCHabnut said:

Cole caufield is an elite level prospect. Poehling is an nhler by next season.  Primeau is a probable future starter. Juulsen, Brook, and Romonov are probable full time nhler. Many others are showing a likelihood of being nhler. Several of these have impact potential.  Not something I could say 2 years ago.

I’m talking about guys in the farm system  that can step in now if needed and are knocking on the door to be a injury replacement or replace someone that isn’t performing.  It’s one thing to save we have a good prospect pool for the future and it’s an entirely different thing to say we have a strong team NOW at Lavel where’s guys are chomping are the it to replace incumbents on the big club.

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Everyone who analyzes prospects has the team as having a top 10 group... most have them as a top 5 group.

 

We could believe these people.

 

Or we could look at what resident ray of sunshine habs29 says.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Commandant said:

Everyone who analyzes prospects has the team as having a top 10 group... most have them as a top 5 group.

 

We could believe these people.

 

Or we could look at what resident ray of sunshine habs29 says.

 

 

So tell me, who in Laval do we have NOW that can even unsurp a Byron, Thompson, weal, cousins or anyone who could be a viable option on LD????

read the friggin post moron.

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31 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

So tell me, who in Laval do we have NOW that can even unsurp a Byron, Thompson, weal, cousins it could be a viable option on LD????

read the friggin post moron.

Byron, Thompson and Weal are forwards.

 

Vejdemo can play on the 4th line.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

Byron, Thompson and Weal are forwards.

 

Vejdemo can play on the 4th line.

 

 

 

Realize that. Meant to say who could unsurp those forwards or even be a viable option on LD.

does Vejdemo have potential to be a 1st 2nd pairing?  We already have a boatload of 5-6-7-8 level dmen

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How about instead of name calling... you look at facts. 

 

Already we have a 20 year old and aa 19 year old in our top 9 fwds.  We also have a 20 year old defenceman on our blue line.

 

In laval.  There is ryan poehling who was injured in saturdays game or likely would have been called up already.  Jake Evans had  a great training camp and was close making the team as a fourth liner but depth meant he went to Laval. Lukas Vejdemo might be Lavals best forward in the regular season so far.  Id say those three are knocking on the door of a callup.

 

On defence Leskinen and Juulsen are likely ready for callups if we have any injuries on the blueline. Ouellet while not really a prospect has a lot of nhl experience and could also be a stop-gap option til other D are ready.

 

We already know how good Romanov and Brook are on the blueline even if they arent ready yet.  They will push for spots as early as next year.  Jordan Harris has taken a big step forward this year and is one of the top D in the country in NCAA scoring. Mattias Norlinder is ripping it up in a Mens League in sweden.

 

Upfront caufield is a stud and is likely to be in the NHL as soon as Wisconsins season ends.  Ylonen is doing well in Finland. Olofsson has started scoring in Sweden. Fonstad and McShane are likely to be invited to Team Canadas training camp.  With the way Hillis is ripping it up lately he could get that call too.

 

 

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1 minute ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Realize that. Meant to say who could unsurp those forwards or even be a viable option on LD.

does Vejdemo have potential to be a 1st 2nd pairing?  We already have a boatload of 5-6-7-8 level dmen

You are asking for the impossible.

 

You want NHL ready in laval and still want top pairing quality.

 

If they are both top quality and NHL ready they would already be on the Habs.  Not in Laval.  See suzuki, kotkaniemi, fleury who are all in the NHL at a young age 

 

The guys in Laval who are ready are bottom pair or short term fixes.  Maybe juulsen is a top 4 though and knocking on the door.  Brook is extremely talented but an AHL rookie.  He is at the same stage Fleury was at one year ago.  He probably needs the full season with Bouchard but could be ready next year 

 

 

Romanov is on a top russian team right now.  He could jump straight to the NHL next year.  Hes a possible first pair guy but like most young d would start on a third pair and work his way up.  Hes not first pair ready today.

 

Harris is ripping up the NCAA.  Norlinder is doing the same in Sweden.  They likely need time with Bouchard though too.

 

The point is the group is there.  Do you want to.sacrifice any of them to get a rental that will be a bandaid on the drouin injury?  I dont.

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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Realize that. Meant to say who could unsurp those forwards or even be a viable option on LD.

does Vejdemo have potential to be a 1st 2nd pairing?  We already have a boatload of 5-6-7-8 level dmen

Olofsson when healthy? :spamafote:

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18 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Really??? How successful of a farm team do we have????  What have they actually won???  We have some prospects that may one day become good players, but there is no one other than Poehling that you can say MAY be knocking on the door.  I’d include Hudon based on recent play, but he must have screwed julien’s or something.

 

At least someone else  is not drinking from that kool-aid. Our prospect pool won't be ready to be NHL contributors at least in 3 years time. Right now the guys that are NHL ready or should be NHL ready in our system  aren't top line players. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:

At least someone else  is not drinking from that kool-aid. Our prospect pool won't be ready to be NHL contributors at least in 3 years time. Right now the guys that are NHL ready or should be NHL ready in our system  aren't top line players.

 

Generally when most people talk about "depth" in the context of an NHL team's farm system, they are not talking about top-line forwards or top-pairing defencemen. Those players would be in the NHL already. Depth, for most teams, is having players that can make a contribution on the third or fourth line when the parent club is depleted by an injury or a suspension.

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13 hours ago, tomh009 said:

 

Generally when most people talk about "depth" in the context of an NHL team's farm system, they are not talking about top-line forwards or top-pairing defencemen. Those players would be in the NHL already. Depth, for most teams, is having players that can make a contribution on the third or fourth line when the parent club is depleted by an injury or a suspension.

 

Players in the NHL already?  Like Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and Fleury.... three starters who are 20, 20, and 19. 

 

We've recently graduated three very young players to the NHL and people are complaining about the depth of the prospect system because only a few players are knocking at the door in Laval.  Meanwhile, Poehling and Juulsen are really close, and there is a ton of depth that is a year or two away. 

 

And they say that those who don't agree with them are the ones drinking the kool-aid?

 

Madness. 

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4 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

Players in the NHL already?  Like Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and Fleury.... three starters who are 20, 20, and 19. 

 

We've recently graduated three very young players to the NHL and people are complaining about the depth of the prospect system because only a few players are knocking at the door in Laval.  Meanwhile, Poehling and Juulsen are really close, and there is a ton of depth that is a year or two away. 

 

And they say that those who don't agree with them are the ones drinking the kool-aid?

 

Madness. 

Bingo.

 

Most of our  NHL ready or soon to be ready prospects  are ALREADY playing in the NHL.

Even though he cannot join the club right now,  I'd add  Romanov who's likely very close as well.

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