Neech Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Duchene was a 70 point player at 22. Chucky still has room to improve, but it could be he is what he is at this point. Mackinnon's point totals have been more troubling than Duchene's if we're looking at them. No reason to think he's any more 'elite'. A player like Duchene who has been a lock on Team Canada's in the past could play a key role on any Cup contender. We have at most three of them at the forward position at this point, and when you look at the other contenders they're just more loaded up front. Then we're stuck relying on our spotty defense and the heroics of Carey. If Sergachev is indeed ready to contribute soon, it may turn out that help on D is just as big of a priority. It just seems unlikely to me that his timeline will sync up with the core that's assembled here. I'd rather bottom out in 5-10 years after going all in than slowly sink back to no-man's land after all the young talent in the league overtakes us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Yeah, Duchene was a 70 point player at 22. He's now a 60 point player and has been for 3 seasons. Is it possible he gets back to that level, sure... but the chances of him getting to that level again are less than seeing 22 and 21 year olds improve. The ceilings of Galchenyuk and MacKinnon are higher than Duchene at this point. That's just a realistic look at them based on the fact that the younger you are, the more you have room to improve, and at 26 most players have hit their ceiling and we have a good idea of what they are, and what they will be for the next several years. To me 60 points is good, and sure, I'd like to have him... but I'm not including a recently draft, top 10 pick, that looks like a stud dman to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Neech said: Duchene was a 70 point player at 22. Chucky still has room to improve, but it could be he is what he is at this point. Mackinnon's point totals have been more troubling than Duchene's if we're looking at them. No reason to think he's any more 'elite'. A player like Duchene who has been a lock on Team Canada's in the past could play a key role on any Cup contender. We have at most three of them at the forward position at this point, and when you look at the other contenders they're just more loaded up front. Then we're stuck relying on our spotty defense and the heroics of Carey. If Sergachev is indeed ready to contribute soon, it may turn out that help on D is just as big of a priority. It just seems unlikely to me that his timeline will sync up with the core that's assembled here. I'd rather bottom out in 5-10 years after going all in than slowly sink back to no-man's land after all the young talent in the league overtakes us. Good, honest post. I'm not so keen to "bottom out" in 3-4 years when Weber starts to droop, but I can see the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGC21 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Ek's latest rumour has MTL sniffing around on Alex Burrows. He has 7 goals and 9 assists this year. He could be a decent rental heading into the playoffs... but his $4.5M cap hit is hefty. I wonder if Desharnais and a pick going to VAN gets the deal done? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 3 hours ago, JGC21 said: Ek's latest rumour has MTL sniffing around on Alex Burrows. He has 7 goals and 9 assists this year. He could be a decent rental heading into the playoffs... but his $4.5M cap hit is hefty. I wonder if Desharnais and a pick going to VAN gets the deal done? Thoughts? I don't think Burrows is an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Agreed, with the way guys like Lehkonen and Byron are playing, where do you even put Burrows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 The Burrows rumour is an old one from last year when the Habs had Kassian and Burrows was making Quebec media rounds to support him. It looked quite a bit like he was auditioning for the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I don't know if Burrows would be an upgrade over DD, but he sure would be an upgrade over Farnham or Terry... he does have super aggravating powers, but a fourth line guy for that much money is crazy...don't see him as an upgrade over any of the borderline 3rd line guys we have either, maybe Carr, but not even Ghetto, who hasn't been bad the last few. For me Burrows = No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habinator33 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Eklund is basically #fakenews he just keeps throwing out Habs rumors hoping one will eventually stick. Yesterday he mentioned habs doing something big but just left it vague. It's hard to see Montreal doing anything big(he mentions subban news big) with the cap situation. Today he's back to the Doan rumor he's been mentioning for about 3-4 years now. I can't see Bergevin wasting prospect and cap space on someone like Burrows and to pull off something big it's going to require moving either or both of Plekanec/Desharnais. I could see him trying to make a big move but end up coming around to cost efficient rentals. *just for the record I consider a big move something along the lines of Duchene not Doan, Hanzel, Iginla, Vrbata, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilz Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 MacKinnon Plekanec Hudon Scherbak Juulsen Lindgren 1st 2017 & 2018 muhahaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 hours ago, nihilz said: MacKinnon Plekanec Hudon Scherbak Juulsen Lindgren 1st 2017 & 2018 muhahaa where does MB sign?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Three trades to shakeup the team.. Pacs, Beaulieu, Prospect? to Philly for Simmonds and Ghost Pleks, Gallagher, Juulsen, DD (for Salary), pick to Colorado for Duchene and Landeskog Mccaron, Scherbak, Emelin, Prospect/Pick to San Jose for Vlasic Landeskog - Duchene - Simmonds Lehk - Gally - Radulov Shaw - Danault - Byron Flynn - Mitchell - Carr/Ghetto/Rosey Vlasic - Weber Ghost - Petry Markov - Nesterov/Pateryn/Trade?? No basis whatsoever to these trades, just NHL17 fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, TheDriveFor25 said: Three trades to shakeup the team.. Pacs, Beaulieu, Prospect? to Philly for Simmonds and Ghost Pleks, Gallagher, Juulsen, DD (for Salary), pick to Colorado for Duchene and Landeskog Mccaron, Scherbak, Emelin, Prospect/Pick to San Jose for Vlasic Landeskog - Duchene - Simmonds Lehk - Gally - Radulov Shaw - Danault - Byron Flynn - Mitchell - Carr/Ghetto/Rosey Vlasic - Weber Ghost - Petry Markov - Nesterov/Pateryn/Trade?? No basis whatsoever to these trades, just NHL17 fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 How about, Chucky, Segachev, Emelin, and 1st round pick this year, for Duschene or Landeskog and MacKinnon. Go ahead, tear me to shreds, Commandant, you're up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I wouldn't do it, but i don't think the value is that far off. I'd probably ask the Avs to include a prospect (not sergachev level) to level it off, but there have been many worse proposals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 21 minutes ago, KoRP said: How about, Chucky, Segachev, Emelin, and 1st round pick this year, for Duschene or Landeskog and MacKinnon. Go ahead, tear me to shreds, Commandant, you're up! MacKinnon is one of two that Sakic says he wont part with. So would be Duchene & Landeskog, but don't see why trade Galchenyuk for Duchene? Kinda defeats purpose of adding Duchene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, DON said: MacKinnon is one of two that Sakic says he wont part with. So would be Duchene & Landeskog, but don't see why trade Galchenyuk for Duchene? Kinda defeats purpose of adding Duchene. I wouldn't do the deal without MacKinnon... no chance. Its an overpay if he isn't in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, Commandant said: I wouldn't do the deal without MacKinnon... no chance. Its an overpay if he isn't in there. I just see as a non-starter and aint happening, but ...KoRPs was a good proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Beaulieu, McCarron and a 1st for Duchene And then a 2nd for Mark Streit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 You need to clear out way more salary to make that work. The Habs can add about $4 million in a full-season cap hit (it's currently less but sending someone like Carr down would lift that back up towards 4) while those deals bring in over $11 million and ship out less than $2 million. And I'm not sure Streit's a good fit either, he's a third pairing player at this stage which isn't really what they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Add Desharnais in order to take Duchene, pick up a cheap depth defenceman instead of Streit and go with what you have. It worked for the Penguins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, illWill said: Beaulieu, McCarron and a 1st for Duchene And then a 2nd for Mark Streit This d-core is slow as shit as it is now. Adding Streit and subtracting Beaulieu only furthers that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Serves me right for posting an idea off the top of my head without thinking about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I wasn't trying to sound like a dick there, I was just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: I wasn't trying to sound like a dick there, I was just sayin'. Didn't think you were at all, I didn't put any thought into the proposal at all. Didn't consider cap hits or defensive structure. I do however think it would be cool to bring Streit back for a run at the cup. He's been a Captain and is still a puck moving dman that can play the powerplay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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