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1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

Saad was also cheaper than Panarin who is set to be a free agent and get even more money next summer.   You are right it blew up in their faces, and part of it was Toews related, but part of it was also cap space. 

 

Both Saad and Panarin make $6 million, but if you're referring to saving money through contract control, the Hawks cap nightmare ends this summer, and that's even before Hossa's deal gets LTIR'd (or Arizona'd). They were saddled with $3.5 million in bonus overages this season, and the cap will go up to at least $80 million next season. Now Bowman probably couldn't have anticipated a $5 million jump in cap this year, but he knew a jump was coming (and probably another next season), and a raise for Panarin would have fit. The Saad/Panarin deal was like... 20% cap, 80% Toews. 

 

2 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:

 

Shaw is pretty broken and Chicago doesn't have a lot of cap space. If they took him back, they'd want Montreal to eat some cap hit. They are not in position of a salary dump. Taking Saad back was to placate Toews and it blew up in their faces. Sharp came back very cheap. They wouldn't be able to afford Shaw unless we took half of his cap back and still took someone in the deal. Maybe something like that could be done if we took back Duclair.

 

Probably wouldn't need to retain salary, but taking back a guy like Duclair would be necessary. Main question is: does anybody actually want Shaw at this point?

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1 hour ago, Trizzak said:

Probably wouldn't need to retain salary, but taking back a guy like Duclair would be necessary. Main question is: does anybody actually want Shaw at this point?

 

There are stupid people all around the league. Clean bill of health, couple good games, i'm sure there's a GM that will trade for him. He has, "You take our disappointing player and we will take yours" written all over him. 

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On 2018-04-14 at 1:53 PM, Commandant said:

I'm not trading a top 7 pick plus more assets for a 27 year old centre with a career high of 64 points and who has a huge cap hit... no way.

 

That is a move to go from what we are to become a playoff bubble team.. it is not a move that makes us a real contender for the cup. 

 

I'd rather build for 2-3 years then play patchwork and not create a true contender. 

You're not the GM, so technically you wouldn't be trading the pick Bergevin would be 👊

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38 minutes ago, Metallica said:

You're not the GM, so technically you wouldn't be trading the pick Bergevin would be 👊

 

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2 hours ago, Trizzak said:

Probably wouldn't need to retain salary, but taking back a guy like Duclair would be necessary. Main question is: does anybody actually want Shaw at this point?

 

 

The secondary question is: Does anybody actually want Duclair at this point?  He was lousy in Chicago and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he doesn't get qualified this summer.

 

I also think any team would be asking the Habs to retain on Shaw's contract.  Four years at that money for a bottom-six player isn't something they'll be willing to take on (unless they're offloading a similar contract back).

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18 hours ago, Commandant said:

I didn't Buyout Alzner or LTIR Shaw. 

 

However they don't just disappear as easily as you've said. 

 

1) LTIR is a little more complicated than you have it.  And the player's salary doesn't disappear off the cap.   you are allowed to go above the cap by that amount, but the issue will be this... if any of your rookies hit their bonuses, that contract will be a bonus overage.

 

2) You've got to get a doctor to say he's injured, and if the player disagrees, he can grieve it and go to his own specialist.  There is no indication at this point that Shaw is eligible.  In fact both the team and the player have indicated he's expected to play next year.  When the player isn't ready to walk away, good luck with this.

Karl Alzner's buyout cap hit may be a small savings in 2018-19, but its 4.4 million in 2020-21.  4.4 million in dead money that year, plus 2.4 million in 2021-22, plus 5 other years of 1.3 million... I can't see them buying him out.  Its not realistic. Nor does it make sense to take 7 years of massive hits to save 1 year of money.  You wont be able to keep the team together. 

 

 

Your missing the point... Firstly, I didn’t say it would be easy!

 

I laid out a plan... maybe its a shitty one but a plan none the less... 

 

Ive listed multiple options there... however creative MB needs to be to get sh%T done is what he’ll have to do. Maybe he should call Big Lou in T.O to see how to get sh&T done.

All i know or believe is if we are gonna flip this teams fortune quick without trading young assets its Gonna have to involve dumping/ clearing salary of

A.shaw And Alzner for sure.

Maybe Schlemko

 

And buying out Alzner would be a last resort...  putting Shaw on LTIR a last resort

but if we want to get better we need 2 x C and 1 LD 

 

Is it that hard?

 

dumping shaw, alzner and schlemko for futures?

waiving Carr/ froese/ L. Shaw?

trading A. Shaw/ Schlemko 2 x 2nd round picks in 2018 and a 2019 1st rounder for a disgruntled O’Reilly? Include a mid range prospect

ufa signings of Tavares and DeHaan (both isles)?

trading pacioretty and a protected 1st rounder in 2019 and 2nd in 2018  for Fowler and not signing DeHaan?

trading pacioretty Schlemko + for Edmudson and a pick?

drafting Dahlin?

 

Nothing is impossible... like i said MB could always ask Lou for advise

 

The buyout 7 years (edited)

 

Yr 1 +74,000 (saving money)

Yr 2 -1.3

Yr 3 -4.4

Yr4  -2.4

Yr 5-8 -1.3

so 6 of 8 years would be absorbed fairly easily and 3 and 4 seasons from now, MB would have to get creative with some cap relief.

 

 Like i said ask Lou how he was able to get TO this season to absorb all of

Horton

lupul

greening

marcinon

plus retain 1.3 million of Kessels salary this year

( grabovski just came off this year)

 

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Forgot dumping Clarkson in that... haha

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Posted (edited)

I wanted to post this before the lottery draft today. Just to beat the speculation from teh media afterwards.

I think the CH can get a decent LD via free agency (De Haa, I.Cole, Hickey) and with Mete, Juulsen emerging and Rielly providing depth: we seem to be ok until some of our D prospects develop.

 

I also believe that the CH will got for Tavares and clear cap space ( A.Shaw, Alzner) as needed.

 

So, my proposal is:

1) if we get Dahlin, trade DLR, Scherback and a second to Buffalo for RO'R.

 

2) If we do not get top 3, swap 1st round pick down to pick Veleno (to deleop a 1C) and trade DLR, Scherback, Vejdemo, one/two 2018 2nd round picks and Fucale to one of:

   a) Buffalo for: O'Reily

   b) Columbus for Dubois

   c) LA for Vilardi

 

My lineup would be

Patches-<<Dubois/O'Reily>>-Lehkonen

Chucky-Drouin-Gally

Byron-Danault-Hudon

Deslaurier-McCarron-Rychel

 

And it would only get better of we landed Tavares (pushing Drouin to the wing and Gallagher down) :)

 

Edited by alfredoh2009
typos

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20 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I wanted to post this before the lottery draft today. Just to beat the speculation from teh media afterwards.

I think the CH can get a decent LD via free agency (De Haa, I.Cole, Hickey) and with Mete, Juulsen emerging and Rielly providing depth: we seem to be ok until some of our D prospects develop.

 

I also believe that the CH will got for Tavares and clear cap space ( A.Shaw, Alzner) as needed.

 

So, my proposal is:

1) if we get Dahlin, trade DLR, Scherback and a second to Buffalo for RO'R.

 

2) If we do not get top 3, swap 1st round pick down to pick Veleno (to deleop a 1C) and trade DLR, Scherback, Vejdemo, one/two 2018 2nd round picks and Fucale to one of:

   a) Buffalo for: O'Reily

   b) Columbus for Dubois

   c) LA for Vilardi

 

My lineup would be

Patches-<<Dubois/O'Reily>>-Lehkonen

Chucky-Drouin-Gally

Byron-Danault-Hudon

Deslaurier-McCarron-Rychel

 

And it would only get better of we landed Tavares (pushing Drouin to the wing and Gallagher down) :)

 

RoR will cost at least a 1st or 2nd round pick + to get him and Dubois you can forget about that one.

 

If we're going to trade for a center i would look at  Florida. They have 3 very good ones in Barkov , Trocheck and Bjugstad. They can use a scoring winger like Pacioretty. So....

Pacioretty +2nd round pick for

Either Trocheck, Barkov or Bjugstad, could be worked out at the draft.

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2 hours ago, Metallica said:

RoR will cost at least a 1st or 2nd round pick + to get him and Dubois you can forget about that one.

 

If we're going to trade for a center i would look at  Florida. They have 3 very good ones in Barkov , Trocheck and Bjugstad. They can use a scoring winger like Pacioretty. So....

Pacioretty +2nd round pick for

Either Trocheck, Barkov or Bjugstad, could be worked out at the draft.

I thought I was giving more than a late 1st round pick in DLR and Scherbak. Thanks for commenting on it Metallica, we do not agree but at least we can chat about it

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1 hour ago, Metallica said:

RoR will cost at least a 1st or 2nd round pick + to get him and Dubois you can forget about that one.

 

If we're going to trade for a center i would look at  Florida. They have 3 very good ones in Barkov , Trocheck and Bjugstad. They can use a scoring winger like Pacioretty. So....

Pacioretty +2nd round pick for

Either Trocheck, Barkov or Bjugstad, could be worked out at the draft.

Sam Reinhart from Sabres? A #2 centre.

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Okay, I’ll bite:

 

To MTL:

- Tavares, C (sign and trade)

- 2018 12th overall pick (draft a C: Kotkaniemi, Veleno, or Hayton)

 

To NYI:

- Pacioretty, LW

- Galchenyuk, C

- 2018 3rd overall pick (Zadina, RW)

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1 hour ago, JGC21 said:

Okay, I’ll bite:

 

To MTL:

- Tavares, C (sign and trade)

- 2018 12th overall pick (draft a C: Kotkaniemi, Veleno, or Hayton)

 

To NYI:

- Pacioretty, LW

- Galchenyuk, C

- 2018 3rd overall pick (Zadina, RW)

I don’t get why we’d give up that much for someone who is slated to be a UFA.  I also don’t get why Tavares would be willing to do this.  I get he gets an extra year going this route. But if he actually wants to come to Montreal and actually be on a winner after being in a perennial loser, why would he be part of a trade that the habs give up significant assets to get him, when the team would be stronger if he just signed with us a UFA. Having said that, unless we were to offer him $4m-$5m more than anyone else, why would he want to sign with a crappy management team after leaving another crappy management team?? 

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10 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

I don’t get why we’d give up that much for someone who is slated to be a UFA.  I also don’t get why Tavares would be willing to do this.  I get he gets an extra year going this route. But if he actually wants to come to Montreal and actually be on a winner after being in a perennial loser, why would he be part of a trade that the habs give up significant assets to get him, when the team would be stronger if he just signed with us a UFA. Having said that, unless we were to offer him $4m-$5m more than anyone else, why would he want to sign with a crappy management team after leaving another crappy management team?? 

I cannot read Tavares’ mind.  Therefore, I cannot answer your post.

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52 minutes ago, JGC21 said:

I cannot read Tavares’ mind.  Therefore, I cannot answer your post.

You are giving Isles a boatload simply to do something you may not need to pay one cent for come July. Cant do it.

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29 minutes ago, DON said:

You are giving Isles a boatload simply to do something you may not need to pay one cent for come July. Cant do it.

 

Well, he did say "trade and sign." But I agree. That's way too much under the circumstances.

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I recall Toronto putting an offer together for Stamkos that included a huge endorsement deal with Canadian tire over and above his salary. At the time I thought that was against the CBA but turns out it wasn’t...

if the habs want Tavares they will need to supplement his taxed income amount with lucrative endorsements  to even have a chance I believe....

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13 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

I recall Toronto putting an offer together for Stamkos that included a huge endorsement deal with Canadian tire over and above his salary. At the time I thought that was against the CBA but turns out it wasn’t...

if the habs want Tavares they will need to supplement his taxed income amount with lucrative endorsements  to even have a chance I believe....

 

Yeah they met him with Mayor John Tory and the CEO of Canadian Tire. It allegedly caused him to cancel all of his other planned meetings (including with Montreal) and re-sign with Tampa. 

 

Basically the whole thing allegedly scared him off as it was too much pressure. I don't know if Tavares is the same way but Stamkos has always been shy. Tavares likes being the face of the Islanders but if the Habs attempted the same, getting some Quebec company to tell him he'd be getting a big endorsement deal, he might react the same way. If this was about money, he'd be signed already. This is about something else, and nobody knows what.

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43 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Well, he did say "trade and sign." But I agree. That's way too much under the circumstances.

It’s a bit of semantics but he said “sign and trade”, not “trade and sign”. From my point of view that would mean that the Islanders would sign him prior to trading him to the Habs. It’s still too much and is part of my assumption that people totally devalue Pacioretty. Not that he wouldn’t be good to trade for Tavares, but to then throw in a Galchenyuk and Zadina.

 

12 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

I don’t get why we’d give up that much for someone who is slated to be a UFA.  I also don’t get why Tavares would be willing to do this.  I get he gets an extra year going this route. But if he actually wants to come to Montreal and actually be on a winner after being in a perennial loser, why would he be part of a trade that the habs give up significant assets to get him, when the team would be stronger if he just signed with us a UFA. Having said that, unless we were to offer him $4m-$5m more than anyone else, why would he want to sign with a crappy management team after leaving another crappy management team?? 

If Brooklyn signs him and then trades him, he doesn’t have a say in where he goes. Unless he has a no trade clause. Which a player of his caliber probably would. 

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42 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

If Brooklyn signs him and then trades him, he doesn’t have a say in where he goes. Unless he has a no trade clause. Which a player of his caliber probably would. 

 

He will be the highest paid player in hockey, with a contract of maximum length and a comprehensive no-trade clause. That's the offer I expect MB to make him and even that may not be enough.

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3 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

He will be the highest paid player in hockey, with a contract of maximum length and a comprehensive no-trade clause. That's the offer I expect MB to make him and even that may not be enough.

how much will he demand/year - and get?

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9 minutes ago, DON said:

how much will he demand/year - and get?

 

I bet he gets 15 million a year for 8 years

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Nah...

i think he makes mcdavid money

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40 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

 

I bet he gets 15 million a year for 8 years

 

Holy shit.

 

I know Montreal could only sign for him 7 unless it’s a sign and trade with Brooklyn.

 

But that is a ton of money, I doubt it’s that much. Hopefully it’s closer to 11-12.

 

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I don't think 12 will get it done. I could see him taking 12 with the islanders before july 1 but if he hits the market I bet he gets offers over the 14 million mark.

 

If MB offers 12 and that's it then I don't think he comes to us.

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