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1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

Saad was also cheaper than Panarin who is set to be a free agent and get even more money next summer.   You are right it blew up in their faces, and part of it was Toews related, but part of it was also cap space. 

 

Both Saad and Panarin make $6 million, but if you're referring to saving money through contract control, the Hawks cap nightmare ends this summer, and that's even before Hossa's deal gets LTIR'd (or Arizona'd). They were saddled with $3.5 million in bonus overages this season, and the cap will go up to at least $80 million next season. Now Bowman probably couldn't have anticipated a $5 million jump in cap this year, but he knew a jump was coming (and probably another next season), and a raise for Panarin would have fit. The Saad/Panarin deal was like... 20% cap, 80% Toews. 

 

2 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:

 

Shaw is pretty broken and Chicago doesn't have a lot of cap space. If they took him back, they'd want Montreal to eat some cap hit. They are not in position of a salary dump. Taking Saad back was to placate Toews and it blew up in their faces. Sharp came back very cheap. They wouldn't be able to afford Shaw unless we took half of his cap back and still took someone in the deal. Maybe something like that could be done if we took back Duclair.

 

Probably wouldn't need to retain salary, but taking back a guy like Duclair would be necessary. Main question is: does anybody actually want Shaw at this point?

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1 hour ago, Trizzak said:

Probably wouldn't need to retain salary, but taking back a guy like Duclair would be necessary. Main question is: does anybody actually want Shaw at this point?

 

There are stupid people all around the league. Clean bill of health, couple good games, i'm sure there's a GM that will trade for him. He has, "You take our disappointing player and we will take yours" written all over him. 

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On 2018-04-14 at 1:53 PM, Commandant said:

I'm not trading a top 7 pick plus more assets for a 27 year old centre with a career high of 64 points and who has a huge cap hit... no way.

 

That is a move to go from what we are to become a playoff bubble team.. it is not a move that makes us a real contender for the cup. 

 

I'd rather build for 2-3 years then play patchwork and not create a true contender. 

You're not the GM, so technically you wouldn't be trading the pick Bergevin would be 👊

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38 minutes ago, Metallica said:

You're not the GM, so technically you wouldn't be trading the pick Bergevin would be 👊

 

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2 hours ago, Trizzak said:

Probably wouldn't need to retain salary, but taking back a guy like Duclair would be necessary. Main question is: does anybody actually want Shaw at this point?

 

 

The secondary question is: Does anybody actually want Duclair at this point?  He was lousy in Chicago and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he doesn't get qualified this summer.

 

I also think any team would be asking the Habs to retain on Shaw's contract.  Four years at that money for a bottom-six player isn't something they'll be willing to take on (unless they're offloading a similar contract back).

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18 hours ago, Commandant said:

I didn't Buyout Alzner or LTIR Shaw. 

 

However they don't just disappear as easily as you've said. 

 

1) LTIR is a little more complicated than you have it.  And the player's salary doesn't disappear off the cap.   you are allowed to go above the cap by that amount, but the issue will be this... if any of your rookies hit their bonuses, that contract will be a bonus overage.

 

2) You've got to get a doctor to say he's injured, and if the player disagrees, he can grieve it and go to his own specialist.  There is no indication at this point that Shaw is eligible.  In fact both the team and the player have indicated he's expected to play next year.  When the player isn't ready to walk away, good luck with this.

Karl Alzner's buyout cap hit may be a small savings in 2018-19, but its 4.4 million in 2020-21.  4.4 million in dead money that year, plus 2.4 million in 2021-22, plus 5 other years of 1.3 million... I can't see them buying him out.  Its not realistic. Nor does it make sense to take 7 years of massive hits to save 1 year of money.  You wont be able to keep the team together. 

 

 

Your missing the point... Firstly, I didn’t say it would be easy!

 

I laid out a plan... maybe its a shitty one but a plan none the less... 

 

Ive listed multiple options there... however creative MB needs to be to get sh%T done is what he’ll have to do. Maybe he should call Big Lou in T.O to see how to get sh&T done.

All i know or believe is if we are gonna flip this teams fortune quick without trading young assets its Gonna have to involve dumping/ clearing salary of

A.shaw And Alzner for sure.

Maybe Schlemko

 

And buying out Alzner would be a last resort...  putting Shaw on LTIR a last resort

but if we want to get better we need 2 x C and 1 LD 

 

Is it that hard?

 

dumping shaw, alzner and schlemko for futures?

waiving Carr/ froese/ L. Shaw?

trading A. Shaw/ Schlemko 2 x 2nd round picks in 2018 and a 2019 1st rounder for a disgruntled O’Reilly? Include a mid range prospect

ufa signings of Tavares and DeHaan (both isles)?

trading pacioretty and a protected 1st rounder in 2019 and 2nd in 2018  for Fowler and not signing DeHaan?

trading pacioretty Schlemko + for Edmudson and a pick?

drafting Dahlin?

 

Nothing is impossible... like i said MB could always ask Lou for advise

 

The buyout 7 years (edited)

 

Yr 1 +74,000 (saving money)

Yr 2 -1.3

Yr 3 -4.4

Yr4  -2.4

Yr 5-8 -1.3

so 6 of 8 years would be absorbed fairly easily and 3 and 4 seasons from now, MB would have to get creative with some cap relief.

 

 Like i said ask Lou how he was able to get TO this season to absorb all of

Horton

lupul

greening

marcinon

plus retain 1.3 million of Kessels salary this year

( grabovski just came off this year)

 

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Forgot dumping Clarkson in that... haha

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