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45 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

We need a goalie in there as well to make it the old Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd offer.

 

I was going to write that Halak would be a lot better than McNiven. But I see that Bruins just yanked him after allowing four goals on 16 shots so ... ūüôĄ

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1 hour ago, DON said:

Domi & Mete are better, but yes.

Ryder showed more consistency than Domi has up to now.

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7 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

Messi to Inter???

 

Sorry wrong thread...

 

I meant Super Mario Lemieux to Habs. Could you imagine

 

Might help the PP but Mario likely wouldn't be able to do much 5-on-5

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28 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

What about this for a trade,

 

To Wild 

Domi  + a 2nd round pick 

 

To Habs

Brodin 

 

Could be a win win for both teams. Brodin could be that perfect fit to play along side Weber. 

What’s sad about this is that we would get potentially an inferior dman than what we gave up for Domi AND have to throw in a draft choice.

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7 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

What’s sad about this is that we would get potentially an inferior dman than what we gave up for Domi AND have to throw in a draft choice.

 

Really you think Galchenyuk was a good D-man? 

 

At this point I believe Drouin holds more value than Domi but I get the premise of your post. Sucks to go after these D-man and give up extra assets when you had the perfect one waiting in the wings. 

 

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38 minutes ago, Habsfan84 said:

 

Really you think Galchenyuk was a good D-man? 

 

At this point I believe Drouin holds more value than Domi but I get the premise of your post. Sucks to go after these D-man and give up extra assets when you had the perfect one waiting in the wings. 

 

Meant Drouin for SergechevūüėĮ. But at the time I didn‚Äôt like the a galchenyuk trade, since I thought we gave up the player with the better track record and who had acxompised more. ¬†That has worked out better than I thought it would, but here we are two years later looking to move Drouin, for a lot of the same reaaons. ¬†It‚Äôs ironic we move Galchenyuk because he wasn‚Äôt a centre. ¬†Now we want to move Drouin who was moved from the wing to centre, because he‚Äôs been ineffective at wing, now that we have better options at centre.
 

I have no issue in moving assets when you are ready to go for it all and have accumulated a lot of extra assets. We’re not there yet

I look at a team like Tamoa that is stacked and can afford to move players to fine tune their team. even the dreaded Bruins can move afford to overpay.  I don’t wan to become like the pens though. Where they’re at the point now that they need to fine that fine line of replenishing the cupboard and still make use of croaby/Malkin window, but have little trim to manoeuvre, or the leafs go have one squat, but have limited their ability to get depth because of overpaying guys too early and tying up so much in four players.

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9 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:

Could be a win win for both teams. Brodin could be that perfect fit to play along side Weber. 

Is Brodin a defensive specialist or stay at home d-man?

Because he has no offense to speak of, averages 4.4g & 21.5pts/82gms.

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25 minutes ago, DON said:

Is Brodin a defensive specialist or stay at home d-man?

Because he has no offense to speak of, averages 4.4g & 21.5pts/82gms.

Is brodin an upgrade to our top 4? Id think its go big or go home if we are trading for a top 4. Sorry but Brodin just doesn't cut it.

 

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3 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

Is brodin an upgrade to our top 4? Id think its go big or go home if we are trading for a top 4. Sorry but Brodin just doesn't cut it.

 

If we kept Petry, Brodin could be a better LD for him.

This would allow Weber and Chiarot to play second pair minutes and be more effective 

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51 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

If we kept Petry, Brodin could be a better LD for him.

This would allow Weber and Chiarot to play second pair minutes and be more effective 

Kulak and Mete likely not significantly worse, are they?

Commandant is high on Kulak fancy stats

Another author was recently raving about Mete's underrated play and kid is only 22 and looks to be improving offensively and on the PP.

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16 minutes ago, DON said:

Another author was recently raving about Mete's underrated play and kid is only 22 and looks to be improving offensively and on the PP.

 

Yeah. Mete is almost the same age as Poehling. Still young for a D.

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21 minutes ago, DON said:

Kulak and Mete likely not significantly worse, are they?

Commandant is high on Kulak fancy stats

Another author was recently raving about Mete's underrated play and kid is only 22 and looks to be improving offensively and on the PP.

Would Mete be an excellent LD behind Brodin. Chiarot and Romanov? If he is not lost in the expansion or traded.

Mete could be a great #7 D since he also plays RD

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9 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

Is brodin an upgrade to our top 4? Id think its go big or go home if we are trading for a top 4. Sorry but Brodin just doesn't cut it.

 

I could see him being used with Weber if the Habs ever were to get him and I think he'd be a better fit than Chiarot in that role.  He'd easily be a top-four upgrade.  The question is what will his next deal cost and is that an amount Montreal would want to pay?  (Think more than $5 million per year on a long-term deal.  He'll get it from someone if he hits the market.)

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3 hours ago, tomh009 said:

 

Yeah. Mete is almost the same age as Poehling. Still young for a D.

 

True ... for all the talk about what a good first season he had, and how he played with Weber, his TOI was 11th amongst Habs defencemen 5-on-5 (7th amongst LHD) ... only Brandon Davidson, Mark Streit and Rinat Valiev played less ... I don't think that season will serve him well in the long run ...he could have been getting top minutes with Evan Bouchard, in London ... on what might have been the best D pairing of that season ... IMO he would have better developed his offensive game ... a concern I have with youngsters who aren't high-end talents playing in the NHL too soon is that they are as likely to learn their limitations as to develop their skills.

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I think I read somewhere (here?? Friedman??). That Danault is unsure of his role Roth Suzuki and KK moving up the lineup.  


I’d like to keep him in that #3 centre position, but if he isn’t happy in that role and is a UFA in a year could he be used as part of a package for Gaudreau?

On the radio today they were saying that the flames roster is going to get a big makeover this year and the question is just how big of a turnover will there be.  They also said they don’t expect Gaudreau to be back and doubt that they would get equal value, but they would be able to fill other needs.   I’ve never been much for going after Gaudreau (prefer targeting Laine - not sure if we could afford him in the assets - would have to for sure include a top Dman).  From Calgary I’d much rather have Monaghan, it Tkachuk (who is probably the only untouchable on their roster). But if we could move Danault and Domi and a prospect that isn’t Romanov or Caufield, and picks, would Gaudreau make sense with a player like KK who is playing very physical?

 

my preference though would be bring in some more Finns and swedes:

1)  Weber, Tatar and a 3rd for Laine.

2). Drouin, Mete, alzner and a 1st and second for OEL and Hjalmarsson and Stepan, (takes out $19m from their payroll for two years when they are trying to cut costs and need picks).  Stepan becomes our third line centre for one year.

3) Danault and Domi to oilers for Puljujarvi,  Bouchard and a 2nd

4) resign Petry for 5 years

 

 

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57 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

my preference though would be bring in some more Finns and swedes:

1)  Weber, Tatar and a 3rd for Laine.

2). Drouin, Mete, alzner and a 1st and second for OEL and Hjalmarsson and Stepan, (takes out $19m from their payroll for two years when they are trying to cut costs and need picks).  Stepan becomes our third line centre for one year.

3) Danault and Domi to oilers for Puljujarvi,  Bouchard and a 2nd

4) resign Petry for 5 years

1) The Jets trade doesn't completely work with their cap situation (although some salary retention on Tatar might be enough for the Jets to squeeze in their other needs.)

2) The Coyotes trade, well, if you can convince 2 players to waive NMC's to come to Montreal then we'll absolutely need to burn you at the stake for witchcraft. However if Arizona is super intent on dropping salary as rumoured then this kind of trade would help them out. (Habs take on $17 million in salary in year one ($9 million in signing bonuses), Coyotes take on ~$10 million in salary in year one (~$3.5 million in signing bonuses.))

3) The Oilers trade doesn't work for them personnel or cap wise. Danault said publicly that he thinks he's a top 6 center and won't give it up without a fight, so Edmonton would trade for him to play behind McDavid and Draisaitl? He wouldn't even unpack his suitcase the entire year, nor look Ken Holland in the eye.) And even signing Domi (another center) at the low end of his worth only gives them about $2 million to sign 4 guys (one of whom is RFA Ethan Bear who will take up about 200% of that cap space.)

 

If somehow all of those trades went through though the Habs would have ~$11 million in cap space with 1 forward roster spot to fill and a better backup goalie still needed, and there would be enough expiring contracts that they should be able to afford their key guys getting raises in the following 2 seasons.

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7 hours ago, Trizzak said:

1) The Jets trade doesn't completely work with their cap situation (although some salary retention on Tatar might be enough for the Jets to squeeze in their other needs.)

2) The Coyotes trade, well, if you can convince 2 players to waive NMC's to come to Montreal then we'll absolutely need to burn you at the stake for witchcraft. However if Arizona is super intent on dropping salary as rumoured then this kind of trade would help them out. (Habs take on $17 million in salary in year one ($9 million in signing bonuses), Coyotes take on ~$10 million in salary in year one (~$3.5 million in signing bonuses.))

3) The Oilers trade doesn't work for them personnel or cap wise. Danault said publicly that he thinks he's a top 6 center and won't give it up without a fight, so Edmonton would trade for him to play behind McDavid and Draisaitl? He wouldn't even unpack his suitcase the entire year, nor look Ken Holland in the eye.) And even signing Domi (another center) at the low end of his worth only gives them about $2 million to sign 4 guys (one of whom is RFA Ethan Bear who will take up about 200% of that cap space.) ... 
 


(1) Since we are into waiving NTCs, Perrault was a 4th liner all season (albeit with 2 PP goals) at $4.125 ... Jets might like to move his contract for its final season ... might balance things out for Winnipeg and give the Habs an expensive, but experienced 4C/13th forward who is solid on faceoffs
(2) Of course they will waive their NMCs for the chance to form the Nordic Navy in Montreal ... ignoring the fact that, in hockey, Finland is to Sweden as the USA is to Canada.

(3) Agree ... Domi only makes sense for the Oilers if they view him as a winger, and getting to play with McDavid or Draisaitl might change Max's preference to play centre ... Danault might not even be the 3C in Edmonton unless RNH is on the wing ... a Domi/Puljujarvi centred deal might be possible; but would it would incite a great debate about the future value of each and which side needs to add what to the deal

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Wasn't Puljujarvi available for a second- or third-round pick last fall? Do I remember correctly?

 

And he is still probably not thrilled with the idea of returning to Edmonton.

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3 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

Wasn't Puljujarvi available for a second- or third-round pick last fall? Do I remember correctly?

 

And he is still probably not thrilled with the idea of returning to Edmonton.

 

Think the rumours were that he could be had for a 2nd/3rd ... but after a strong 2019-20 with Kärpät of SM-liiga (tied for 5th in goals, 4th in points league wide) Holland is reputed to be asking for much more this fall.

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Thinking BIG here and not saying this is what we should do... but, maybe MB does dip into the UFA market 

 

what about Tanev out of VAN to shore up the right side?

Hall as a true LW to replace Domi?

and then a big trade to land Laine with Domi going the other way?

 

Obviously I haven't  considered the CAP implications at all in these proposals or contract limits for Winnipeg but what a line up that would be if healthy!

 

Can Laine be had for Domi, Poehling (Brook or Harris) 2 x 2020 2nd RD, 2020 3rd RD, 2021 2nd RD? ( prospects & picks are negotiable) BUT KK suzuki, caufield, primeau , romanov and Norlinder are off the table

 

still thats an overpayment on the Habs for the winger  I believe but...

 

Consider 4 picks, a D prospect, a C prospect and a current C for there 2nd line for a high scoring winger

we keep all our blue chip prospects and our 1st rounder in 2020 and jets get needed cap relief, a big bump to a depleted prospect pool and immediate help for Schiefele down the middle

 

Considering what we got for Patches... we are paying a high price (even so Patches deal was done with Pacioretty signing simultaneously)

 

Hall ufa 3 x 9.5 million

tanev ufa 3x 6million

 

line up would look something like this for a year before a restructure the next season with players like KK, gallagher, petry, tatar and danault needing deals.

 

Drouin Suzuki Laine/ Dadonov/ Toffoli/ Hoffman

Hall/ Gaudreau KK Armia 

Tatar Danault Gallagher

Byron Evans Lehkonan

Belzile

 

Chairot Weber

Kulak Petry

Romanov Tanev

Mete  Fleury

 

Price

Demchenko

 

 thats a helluva line up

 

 

other options could be trading for Gaudreau instead of Laine (obvious rumours of the day currently)

and signing Dadonov, Toffoli or Hoffman at a cheaper rate then Hall

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18 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

Thinking BIG here and not saying this is what we should do... but, maybe MB does dip into the UFA market 

 

what about Tanev out of VAN to shore up the right side?

Hall as a true LW to replace Domi?

and then a big trade to land Laine with Domi going the other way?

 

Obviously I haven't  considered the CAP implications at all in these proposals or contract limits for Winnipeg but what a line up that would be if healthy!

Please do, it will help the discussion 

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46 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

Thinking BIG here and not saying this is what we should do... but, maybe MB does dip into the UFA market 

 

what about Tanev out of VAN to shore up the right side?

Hall as a true LW to replace Domi?

and then a big trade to land Laine with Domi going the other way?

 

Obviously I haven't  considered the CAP implications at all in these proposals or contract limits for Winnipeg but what a line up that would be if healthy!

 

Can Laine be had for Domi, Poehling (Brook or Harris) 2 x 2020 2nd RD, 2020 3rd RD, 2021 2nd RD? ( prospects & picks are negotiable) BUT KK suzuki, caufield, primeau , romanov and Norlinder are off the table

 

still thats an overpayment on the Habs for the winger  I believe but...

 

Consider 4 picks, a D prospect, a C prospect and a current C for there 2nd line for a high scoring winger

we keep all our blue chip prospects and our 1st rounder in 2020 and jets get needed cap relief, a big bump to a depleted prospect pool and immediate help for Schiefele down the middle

 

Considering what we got for Patches... we are paying a high price (even so Patches deal was done with Pacioretty signing simultaneously)

 

Hall ufa 3 x 9.5 million

tanev ufa 3x 6million

 

line up would look something like this for a year before a restructure the next season with players like KK, gallagher, petry, tatar and danault needing deals.

 

Drouin Suzuki Laine/ Dadonov/ Toffoli/ Hoffman

Hall/ Gaudreau KK Armia 

Tatar Danault Gallagher

Byron Evans Lehkonan

Belzile

 

Chairot Weber

Kulak Petry

Romanov Tanev

Mete  Fleury

 

Price

Demchenko

 

 thats a helluva line up

 

 

other options could be trading for Gaudreau instead of Laine (obvious rumours of the day currently)

and signing Dadonov, Toffoli or Hoffman at a cheaper rate then Hall

That’s a weak top 6 and why would we want Tanev at all, especially on bottom pairing.  Our RHD is not an issue. D isn’t really at all.

but Drouin on top line is a waste and to bank on Suzuki or KK being able to hold down top 6 centre responsibilities and production next year is a long shot.

that top 6 looks soft and unproductive.

i don’t see any really upgrades there given none of those acquisitions are sure fire producers so why bother blowing up the roster for Minimal net gain.

not to mention taking our current top line players and demoting them to third line, particularly given Danault’s comments I don’t think you can assume they still produce like one of the best 5v5 lines in hockey after that disrespect.

 

You wanna pay Tanev 6 mil/yr? And then put him on third pairing?

hall isn’t worth close to 9.5 either and he and Drouin in top 6 Wreaks of inconsistent effort and production.

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11 hours ago, Trizzak said:

1) The Jets trade doesn't completely work with their cap situation (although some salary retention on Tatar might be enough for the Jets to squeeze in their other needs.)

2) The Coyotes trade, well, if you can convince 2 players to waive NMC's to come to Montreal then we'll absolutely need to burn you at the stake for witchcraft. However if Arizona is super intent on dropping salary as rumoured then this kind of trade would help them out. (Habs take on $17 million in salary in year one ($9 million in signing bonuses), Coyotes take on ~$10 million in salary in year one (~$3.5 million in signing bonuses.))

3) The Oilers trade doesn't work for them personnel or cap wise. Danault said publicly that he thinks he's a top 6 center and won't give it up without a fight, so Edmonton would trade for him to play behind McDavid and Draisaitl? He wouldn't even unpack his suitcase the entire year, nor look Ken Holland in the eye.) And even signing Domi (another center) at the low end of his worth only gives them about $2 million to sign 4 guys (one of whom is RFA Ethan Bear who will take up about 200% of that cap space.)

 

If somehow all of those trades went through though the Habs would have ~$11 million in cap space with 1 forward roster spot to fill and a better backup goalie still needed, and there would be enough expiring contracts that they should be able to afford their key guys getting raises in the following 2 seasons.

1) jets need D more than anything and I can’t see them landing a quality UFA To live in Winnipeg.  Weber is signed for term and doesn’t have any restrictions.  They could always flip Tatar, or we could offer to retain more of his salary (vegas is already retaining some).

2) I can’t see anyone on the coyotes not waiving their NTC to go to Montreal from a rudderless ship and more futility in Phoenix

3). I think the deal allows the oilers to play Draisaitl and McDavid together, or allow Draisaitl and Danault split centre duties. I think Domi will be a winger gong forward. Not good enough on the draw to play centre and he brings them skill and sandpaper they lack.  I do think it would be hard to pry Bouchard from them. I’d even offer to take Neal to make it happen in return for a 2nd round pick.

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