Lovett's Magnatones Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, DON said: And? Shaw has 35 points in 67 playoff games on a modern day dynasty and people are arguing this in favor of tolerating mediocre stats and Marchand-level transgressions along with homophobic slurs. Figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Lovett's Magnatones said: Shaw has 35 points in 67 playoff games on a modern day dynasty and people are arguing this in favor of tolerating mediocre stats and Marchand-level transgressions along with homophobic slurs. Figure it out. In fairness, Shaw clearly regrets the homophobia and is trying to turn over a new leaf: http://www.hockeyinsideout.com/news/canadiens-notebook-andrew-shaw-named-ambassador-for-you-can-play More serious IMHO is that he is, so far, exactly what I was afraid he'd be - an irresponsible loose cannon on the ice, following the all-too-familiar pattern of young agitators who make a good impression early in their careers and then start losing the plot. Honestly, Lovett, all we have left is the hope that he can be an impact playoff performer. If he is, then we can put up with regular season bullsh*t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 He is on a 40pt pace, which is about what we hoped for or expected from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: In fairness, Shaw clearly regrets the homophobia and is trying to turn over a new leaf: http://www.hockeyinsideout.com/news/canadiens-notebook-andrew-shaw-named-ambassador-for-you-can-play More serious IMHO is that he is, so far, exactly what I was afraid he'd be - an irresponsible loose cannon on the ice, following the all-too-familiar pattern of young agitators who make a good impression early in their careers and then start losing the plot. Honestly, Lovett, all we have left is the hope that he can be an impact playoff performer. If he is, then we can put up with regular season bullsh*t. I don't hold the comment against him, but it shows a terrible lack of judgement that seems to be on display every ten days or so...I'm rooting for him in the playoffs, but it's tough to hold Chara and Marchands' feet to the fire with a guy like that on the team. Ryan White wasn't as bad as he is, and he got thrown away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 35 minutes ago, Lovett's Magnatones said: I don't hold the comment against him, but it shows a terrible lack of judgement that seems to be on display every ten days or so...I'm rooting for him in the playoffs, but it's tough to hold Chara and Marchands' feet to the fire with a guy like that on the team. Ryan White wasn't as bad as he is, and he got thrown away. God I love me some Ryan White. I want to bring him back so that we can get his dad back too: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I get the parallel with White. They're both agitator types who are prone to dumb-ass unacceptable plays. But come on...Shaw's offensive production is on a whole other level than White's. The one is a top-9 player for sure. The other is a 4th liner at best. And, again, Shaw comes with Cup rings, the value of which may prove significant before all is said and done. I'm no Shaw cheerleader and think there is maybe a 50% chance that that contract becomes an albatross, but any analogy with White can't be sustained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE Bobby Orr Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 MB didn't bring Shaw here only because of his past playoff performances...he brought him here because he's (supposedly) a winner. MB had the right idea but arguably the wrong player...He's stats are good. as they should be; he's getting ice time 5vs5 and PP duty. But let's face it, overall Shaw has been a disappointment...i think it's killing Le Genius (i love that nickname,btw) to be forced to have Shaw in the line-up night after night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 hours ago, THE Bobby Orr said: MB didn't bring Shaw here only because of his past playoff performances...he brought him here because he's (supposedly) a winner. MB had the right idea but arguably the wrong player...He's stats are good. as they should be; he's getting ice time 5vs5 and PP duty. But let's face it, overall Shaw has been a disappointment...i think it's killing Le Genius (i love that nickname,btw) to be forced to have Shaw in the line-up night after night. Vegas baby Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Anybody who has played sports at a competitive level, especially hockey with the contact, knows eventually something pisses you off and you say or do something stupid. I have done and have been on the receiving end of slashes, buttends, spears, punches, verbal insults of all sorts. It happens in the heat of the moment and very rarely is it ever truly meant by the person saying it, after you've cooled off. Some guys chirp more than others. Shaw seems to be one of those guys. From his interviews he doesn't come off as an unintelligent asshole. He genuinely seems sorry for his stupid remark. We expect these guys to be wound up and going full tilt, then they make a mistake and everyone wants to hang then. It's not fair, humans make mistakes. Shaw is a required piece of a Stanley Cup Contender and I'd take him over some of the other no shows like Plekanec, Desharnais etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, kaos said: Anybody who has played sports at a competitive level, especially hockey with the contact, knows eventually something pisses you off and you say or do something stupid. I have done and have been on the receiving end of slashes, buttends, spears, punches, verbal insults of all sorts. It happens in the heat of the moment and very rarely is it ever truly meant by the person saying it, after you've cooled off. Some guys chirp more than others. Shaw seems to be one of those guys. From his interviews he doesn't come off as an unintelligent asshole. He genuinely seems sorry for his stupid remark. We expect these guys to be wound up and going full tilt, then they make a mistake and everyone wants to hang then. It's not fair, humans make mistakes. Shaw is a required piece of a Stanley Cup Contender and I'd take him over some of the other no shows like Plekanec, Desharnais etc. The problem with your argument is that 98% of other NHLers can avoid the kind of dumb-ass on-ice behaviour that Shaw has been perpetrating ever since his very first preseason game with the Habs. So talking about the "competitive nature of the sport" fails to excuse his stupidity. Almost everyone else has figured out how to "walk that line;" it's past time this supposed "winner" and "leader" stop making a total arse of himself out there, night after night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Almost everyone else has figured out how to "walk that line;" , night after night. It is part of being a professional hockey player, which demands maturity that he seemingly lacks. Shaw needs to try and emulate #4, a bit at least; "Howe's one question had been about the boiling point of Beliveau's blood. "I wondered whether John was mean enough to be a hockey player. What if I run him?" he said. "Well, I gave him a little run, and he just smiled." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Anyone want to bet Shaw takes a stupid penalty at a really bad time in the game today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 That and 3 other players, Shaw isn't the only one who takes bad penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, habs rule said: Anyone want to bet Shaw takes a stupid penalty at a really bad time in the game today? Sure, he will be a good boy today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 40 minutes ago, Chris said: That and 3 other players, Shaw isn't the only one who takes bad penalties. Mitchell is terrible for bad penalties too. Hasn't scored in his last 30 games either, which only exemplifies the shittyness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 As much as we love Radulov, and I love the guy, he's guilty of a lot of bad hooking penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Chris said: That and 3 other players, Shaw isn't the only one who takes bad penalties. He is just the worst, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 45 minutes ago, DON said: Sure, he will be a good boy today! I love the optimism, I don't think he can cost us this game. We are just a much better team and Carey is in net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Commandant said: As much as we love Radulov, and I love the guy, he's guilty of a lot of bad hooking penalties. Always has to be a Hab with bad hooking penalties. Damphousse was the king of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 10 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Always has to be a Hab with bad hooking penalties. Damphousse was the king of them. Guys like Radulov and Damphousse are the Real Deal - bona fide top-6 FWs, elite NHL talents. I can live with a few lazy penalties from them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 9 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Guys like Radulov and Damphousse are the Real Deal - bona fide top-6 FWs, elite NHL talents. I can live with a few lazy penalties from them. Koivu was bad for lazy penalties too. Like you said, it's an easy compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 17 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Koivu was bad for lazy penalties too. Like you said, it's an easy compromise. Hence why we called him Capt'n Hook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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