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Metallica    1

And then there was one..... I do believe that makes Benn the only member left from the trade deadline.

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Stogey24    280
30 minutes ago, Metallica said:

And then there was one..... I do believe that makes Benn the only member left from the trade deadline.

The rest aren't even in the nhl. Smart g.m we have here 

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48 minutes ago, Stogey24 said:

The rest aren't even in the nhl. Smart g.m we have here 

 

Hey, without all that LEADERSHIP our completely healthy club might have lost to a middling team in five games instead of six :rolleyes:

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illWill    435

Yeah skilled players available like Eaves or Hanzel would have put us over the top 

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Commandant    635
1 hour ago, illWill said:

Yeah skilled players available like Eaves or Hanzel would have put us over the top 

 

Vrbata too.  An extra goal or two would have changed that series. 

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illWill    435
5 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Vrbata too.  An extra goal or two would have changed that series. 

 

Because we will just assume Vrbata gets a goal or two more in the series than whoever he would have replaced in the lineup, and that results in some wins

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Stogey24    280

Dwight King...

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Commandant    635
2 minutes ago, illWill said:

 

Because we will just assume Vrbata gets a goal or two more in the series than whoever he would have replaced in the lineup, and that results in some wins

 

At worst he does the same. 

 

All the forwards we got at the deadline had 0 goals, 0 assists in that series...... in 50 combined games (regular season and playoffs) they combined for 1 goal and 1 assist. 

 

So yeah, i'm going to assume that a guy who had 20 goals and 55 points last season, might have been able to provide more than 0 points. 

 

I mean worst case scenario is that he doesn't and we still lose to the Rangers. 

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Stogey24    280

That's a terrible stat

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illWill    435
5 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

At worst he does the same. 

 

All the forwards we got at the deadline had 0 goals, 0 assists in that series...... in 50 combined games (regular season and playoffs) they combined for 1 goal and 1 assist. 

 

So yeah, i'm going to assume that a guy who had 20 goals and 55 points last season, might have been able to provide more than 0 points. 

 

I mean worst case scenario is that he doesn't and we still lose to the Rangers. 

 

We lose to the Rangers regardless if they got Vrbata. You're kidding yourself if you think he himself changes the series result 

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Commandant    635
1 minute ago, illWill said:

 

We lose to the Rangers regardless if they got Vrbata. You're kidding yourself if you think he himself changes the series result 

 

Every game in that series was a one goal game (removing empty netters)... so yes, one goal could have had a big effect.   In games we lost in OT, its a win instead of a loss... in games lost in regulation, its an OT game instead of a loss.  It could have had an effect. 

 

Again the worst case scenario is no change.... the best case is flipping a game or two in the series....  (sending us to game 7 at home, or flipping the series entirely). 

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illWill    435

Replacing player A for player B doesn't equate to results based on individual stats. It's all hypothetical. Vrbata could have played worse defensively and gave up more goals against. 

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Stogey24    280
11 minutes ago, illWill said:

Replacing player A for player B doesn't equate to results based on individual stats. It's all hypothetical. Vrbata could have played worse defensively and gave up more goals against. 

... really. Vrbata had 55pts last season(top line player) Dwight King had 16(barely 4th line player). Your argument doesn't even make sense.

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Trizzak    487
4 hours ago, Metallica said:

And then there was one..... I do believe that makes Benn the only member left from the trade deadline.

 

Another "very easy to check but I'm too lazy so here it is from memory" moment:

 

Pretty sure Benn was brought in a few weeks or days before the deadline, so Davidson was the final deadline acquisition on the team.

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xXx..CK..xXx    162
14 minutes ago, Stogey24 said:

... really. Vrbata had 55pts last season(top line player) Dwight King had 16(barely 4th line player). Your argument doesn't even make sense.

No, it's really the other side of the argument that makes no sense. Radim Vrbata wasn't even traded last year which can mean one of a few things. The asking Price was too high, no playoff team viewed him as a help to their contention, or Phoenix wasn't trading him. He was only "available" for the sake of argument, not because Bergevin was the only GM who didn't acquire him. We're fooling ourselves if we think the Habs are the only team who only needed "one more goal". The deadline crop, especially the players who actually got moved was crap last year. 

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DON    37
43 minutes ago, Stogey24 said:

... really. Vrbata had 55pts last season(top line player) Dwight King had 16(barely 4th line player). Your argument doesn't even make sense.

Nor does yours, Vrbata played the full year in Arizona, so Habs and 28 others teams didn't deal for him. 

When your two top forwards score ZERO goals in a series, that was the issue nor King's production or fantasy production of some random player pulled out of thin air.

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Commandant    635
1 hour ago, illWill said:

Replacing player A for player B doesn't equate to results based on individual stats. It's all hypothetical. Vrbata could have played worse defensively and gave up more goals against. 

 

so he plays defensively and what? they still lose in the first round.  Okay, then. 

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Commandant    635
48 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

No, it's really the other side of the argument that makes no sense. Radim Vrbata wasn't even traded last year which can mean one of a few things. The asking Price was too high, no playoff team viewed him as a help to their contention, or Phoenix wasn't trading him. He was only "available" for the sake of argument, not because Bergevin was the only GM who didn't acquire him. We're fooling ourselves if we think the Habs are the only team who only needed "one more goal". The deadline crop, especially the players who actually got moved was crap last year. 

 

Elliotte Friedman reported that he was available and the price was a second round pick. 

 

Also just because no one else traded for him, does not mean that he would not have been helpful. 

Again, he can't be worse than what we did acquire in Ott, King, and Martinsen. 

 

 

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xXx..CK..xXx    162
32 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Elliotte Friedman reported that he was available and the price was a second round pick. 

 

Also just because no one else traded for him, does not mean that he would not have been helpful. 

Again, he can't be worse than what we did acquire in Ott, King, and Martinsen. 

 

 

Alright well you can continue to debate your theory or ask yourself why no other team paid the second rounder for him. I would have loved some help last deadline as well but it was the worst deadline in recent memory. People also would have complained had we done nothing at all. We can ask if it was better to acquire Ott, King and Martinsen or nothing at all and that would be a more realistic comparison than Dwight King or Radim Vrbata. If there's a mistake made there, 15 other teams made it as well and it's very minute, not the difference between winning and losing a series.

 

Many analysts actually had the Habs as having done well with what was available. We toughened up. If anyone thinks that Ott, King or Martinsen were brought in to score goals, they weren't so apples are being compared to oranges here. Again, if you don't like any of the moves, we can ask if it would have been better to do nothing at all. Perhaps it would have, as I could just as easily plead the case you are making by stating that Andrighetto would have scored one more goal for us against the Rangers had he stayed on our team. Again, hypothetical based on many factors. Same as Radim Vrbata, Hanzal or Eaves. 

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Commandant    635

For a team that did not have enough offense... acquiring three players who brought no offense to the forward unit was a mistake.  

 

Acquiring toughness instead of skill was a mistake. 

 

That is seen clearly enough in the playoff results. 

 

Other teams may not have wanted to give up a 2nd round pick to get Vrbata, but other teams also were not in the same position we were in as far as needing offense went either. 

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Stogey24    280
57 minutes ago, DON said:

Nor does yours, Vrbata played the full year in Arizona, so Habs and 28 others teams didn't deal for him. 

When your two top forwards score ZERO goals in a series, that was the issue nor King's production or fantasy production of some random player pulled out of thin air.

Its the premise of the argument. We added 3 players who do not score goals or create ant type offense. A guy like Vrbata does.

 

Your top forwards need depth scoring to alleviate coaching matchups. Adding a player like vrbata, who put up 55pts is going to do more than a Dwight King(16pts) or Steve Ott(7pts) hypothetical or not

 

Do you think Vignault gave a shit when King, Ott, or Martisen were out there? You add a player like vrbata and you not only add scoring, but you also add another player the oppoing coach needs to shut down. 

 

Instead Mark decided to add character, and make his team a breeze to coach against. 

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Commandant    635
54 minutes ago, DON said:

Nor does yours, Vrbata played the full year in Arizona, so Habs and 28 others teams didn't deal for him. 

When your two top forwards score ZERO goals in a series, that was the issue nor King's production or fantasy production of some random player pulled out of thin air.

 

Two top forwards?

 

Define who the second one was. 

Radulov scored in the series (2nd on the team in points last year amongst forwards)

 

Paul Byron also scored in the series (2nd on the team in goals). 

 

or were you expecting production from a guy our coach played on the fourth line?  A decision that was also clearly short-sighted.

 

On top of that Vrbata's 55 points were more than Radulov scored last year.  He would have been the second highest scorer on the team if acquired. .. Just saying. 

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Peter Puck    4

So hypothetically Vrbata could have been had for a second round pick.   Very possibly some good play by him could have got us into the 2nd round.  

Even if we resign him, would we better off going forward with Vrbata instead of Josh Brook or instead of Joni Ikonen? 

Vrbata is an okay player but he is 36 and on pace for a 12 goal 40 point season.

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