The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Commandant said: It was low in October last year too (I cant' remember exactly what) and slowly upticked over the year. I expect the same though not sure it will get back to 915 Is there an explanation for this drop in save %? Equipment changes? Increased league-wide emphasis on speed? Regardless, it remains true that Price has not been great. I take no consolation from the parallel to 2010, since at that point he was still a young guy who had been brought up too soon and was struggling to put it all together. Not do I accept that his being 'just OK' is any kind of balm (not that this is your claim). If Crosby went through a season as a 40-50 point guy, then started a new season on the same pace, legitimate questions would be raised, especially if he'd had major knee issues in the past. Again, I'm not panicking, but I am concerned. Even here in distant Vancouver, it has become common fan knowledge that he's not what he was. Any psychological edge he once had is gone. He needs to get it back, and this organization cannot be chained to a contract like that for an average goalie, if it ever wants to contend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 -Fleury started this season as almost single handily dragging his team through the playoffs and winning the cup... LY 2.24GAA .927% not comparable Brobovsky LY 2.42GAA .921% 37 wins Just missed Vezina nomination after winning it the year prior... top 3 in Sv% 5on5 and is currently in a battle wanting to get paid ala price. Just won 3 straight... convincingly! (I have him in fantasy hockey, he’s a beast) Holtby LY 2.99GAA .907% Was great when needed and won the bloody cup! Talbot Should not even be on this list!! He sucks! Rask 2.36GAA .914% 34 wins LY back stopping a top team in the NHL Good in the playoffs not a problem Carey Price -the worst goalie in the Nhl playing more then 20 games LY! -continuing on the same trajectory TY -Not to mention his bad play actually started late the season prior and into the playoffs when he was owned by Henrik Lunquist and the Rangers. This is not a concern anymore but an actual issue. im scared! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Is there an explanation for this drop in save %? Equipment changes? Increased league-wide emphasis on speed? Regardless, it remains true that Price has not been great. I take no consolation from the parallel to 2010, since at that point he was still a young guy who had been brought up too soon and was struggling to put it all together. Not do I accept that his being 'just OK' is any kind of balm (not that this is your claim). If Crosby went through a season as a 40-50 point guy, then started a new season on the same pace, legitimate questions would be raised, especially if he'd had major knee issues in the past. Again, I'm not panicking, but I am concerned. Even here in distant Vancouver, it has become common fan knowledge that he's not what he was. Any psychological edge he once had is gone. He needs to get it back, and this organization cannot be chained to a contract like that for an average goalie, if it ever wants to contend. I was thinking the exact same thing with the Crosby comparison. I actually think its worse; it’s somewhat comparible to Max Pacioretty dropping from an Elite LW to a 10 point pace guy. I mean Prices numbers are fringe goalie numbers. Now I do think both Max and Carey will rebound, but become elite again? I’m definitely concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Is there an explanation for this drop in save %? Equipment changes? Increased league-wide emphasis on speed? Regardless, it remains true that Price has not been great. I take no consolation from the parallel to 2010, since at that point he was still a young guy who had been brought up too soon and was struggling to put it all together. Not do I accept that his being 'just OK' is any kind of balm (not that this is your claim). If Crosby went through a season as a 40-50 point guy, then started a new season on the same pace, legitimate questions would be raised, especially if he'd had major knee issues in the past. Again, I'm not panicking, but I am concerned. Even here in distant Vancouver, it has become common fan knowledge that he's not what he was. Any psychological edge he once had is gone. He needs to get it back, and this organization cannot be chained to a contract like that for an average goalie, if it ever wants to contend. A few factors 1) October has traditionally been the highest scoring month of the NHL season. 2) Powerplays are way up in efficiency, and slightly up in frequency. 3) More and more players have taken specialiazed skills coaches (especially shooting coaches) in the summer. this is improving their skill. Previously players had trainers to stay in shape in the off-season, now there is an emphasis on skills development, leading to more offence. 4) Equipment. 5) Teams have more skill on them in general with the reduction of goons and other players who can't skate. . this leads to more skilled players in the bottom 6/bottom pair defence, etc... There are probably more factors we can point to as well. ------- As for Price... I'm not defending his play. He's been poor since the Boston game. (He had a .922 save percentage on the season after that game). He's been brutal in the last 4 games. Overall, on the season, this makes him below average. That said, a number of other starting goalies are below average right now. But yes, he's Price and that is concerning, no doubt. And sure if you don't want to talk about 2010... that's fine... but then there is 2013 as well, when Price was a .905 goalie Given the history, I think he'll bounce back, its just a matter of when it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: -Fleury started this season as almost single handily dragging his team through the playoffs and winning the cup... LY 2.24GAA .927% not comparable Brobovsky LY 2.42GAA .921% 37 wins Just missed Vezina nomination after winning it the year prior... top 3 in Sv% 5on5 and is currently in a battle wanting to get paid ala price. Just won 3 straight... convincingly! (I have him in fantasy hockey, he’s a beast) Holtby LY 2.99GAA .907% Was great when needed and won the bloody cup! Talbot Should not even be on this list!! He sucks! Rask 2.36GAA .914% 34 wins LY back stopping a top team in the NHL Good in the playoffs not a problem Carey Price -the worst goalie in the Nhl playing more then 20 games LY! -continuing on the same trajectory TY -Not to mention his bad play actually started late the season prior and into the playoffs when he was owned by Henrik Lunquist and the Rangers. This is not a concern anymore but an actual issue. im scared! I never talked about what any of these players did last season. I said they are struggling now. This season Fleury .895 Bobrovsky .913 Holtby .900 Rask .901 Talbot .895 (as much as you say he sucks, he's a career .917) More Starting goalies Mike Smith .877 Jake Allen .879 Matt Murray .886 Martin Jones .900 Crawford .901 Anderson .905 Quick .845 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Commandant said: More Starting goalies Mike Smith .877 Jake Allen .879 Matt Murray .886 Martin Jones .900 Crawford .901 Anderson .905 Quick .845 Antti Raanta ($4M/year) .929 Pekka Rinne ($5M/year) .951 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Antti Raanta ($4M/year) .929 Pekka Rinne ($5M/year) .951 I think Commandant still has a point considering he listed 11 goalies well below expectations. There are obviously going to be examples here and there that don’t fit the trend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Antti Raanta ($4M/year) .929 Pekka Rinne ($5M/year) .951 I never said every goalie is playing poorly I said Price is playing poorly and so are a number of other starters around the NHL I don't see what the relevance is to saying some goalies are playing well.... I never denied that Still doesn't change the fact that league wide save percentage has dropped from 915 last season to 908 in October 2018 And none of this is to say Price's play is acceptable. Its not. His current 892 is still crap. The question is if he can come back from this. I think he (and most of the goalies I've listed) can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Oh and when Carey Price had his bad play and was "owned by Henrik Lundqivst and the Rangers" That is revisionist history. Here are the facts about the 2017 playoffs: - Price had a .933 save percentage and a 2.24 GAA in that series. Don't confuse the Canadiens inability to score on Lundqvist as Price playing badly in their net... He was excellent in that series. The team didn't score. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 This team sucked last year when they were caught in their zone. Same this year. Only thing i can see there is Price either freeze the puck or pass the puck. He is good at deflecting shots but his defense is not able to recover the puck effectively. Other teams are playing the deflection against him now with a good shot and go after the defense before he can even react. So i think if he freezes the puck more it slows down the game more energy to his players and less goals against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 11/13/2018 at 5:56 PM, Commandant said: Oh and when Carey Price had his bad play and was "owned by Henrik Lundqivst and the Rangers" That is revisionist history. Here are the facts about the 2017 playoffs: - Price had a .933 save percentage and a 2.24 GAA in that series. Don't confuse the Canadiens inability to score on Lundqvist as Price playing badly in their net... He was excellent in that series. The team didn't score. Lundqvist finished the series with a 1.70 goals-against average and a .947 save percentage. We should not be confused of the fact he lost the series to the better of the 2 goalies. It was not as if the Rangers out gunned us offensively. They out goal tended us! Montreal couldn't score but it wasn't due to lack of offensive chances. Even more so then the Rangers. The habs outplayed the Rangers significantly through the course of those 6 games. Lunquivst was greater than his counterpart. Not to mention he was on a downward trajectory before the playoffs had started and has been free falling ever since! i was wrong. we should be comparing Talbot and Price at this point. there stats are similar over 100+ games but the fact we are comparing this seasons slow starts of the season from brobovsky and holtby and fleury ( 2 PLayoff finalists last season) and arguably the best goalie over the last 4 seasons who happens to be quarrelling with team on contract issues is laughable... Price has been bad for a long time now. nobody has been this bad by comparison. on a side note i picked up Domingue in fantasy hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Lundqvist finished the series with a 1.70 goals-against average and a .947 save percentage. We should not be confused of the fact he lost the series to the better of the 2 goalies. It was not as if the Rangers out gunned us offensively. They out goal tended us! Montreal couldn't score but it wasn't due to lack of offensive chances. Even more so then the Rangers. The habs outplayed the Rangers significantly through the course of those 6 games. Lunquivst was greater than his counterpart. Not to mention he was on a downward trajectory before the playoffs had started and has been free falling ever since! i was wrong. we should be comparing Talbot and Price at this point. there stats are similar over 100+ games but the fact we are comparing this seasons slow starts of the season from brobovsky and holtby and fleury ( 2 PLayoff finalists last season) and arguably the best goalie over the last 4 seasons who happens to be quarrelling with team on contract issues is laughable... Price has been bad for a long time now. nobody has been this bad by comparison. on a side note i picked up Domingue in fantasy hockey 1) He doesn't play head to head with Lundqvist. The goalie isn't taking shots on the other goalie. If Lundqvist plays great in the other end, (and no doubt he did), that isn't Price's fault. That is the shooters on the Habs not being good enough. I can't blame a goalie with a .933 save percentage in a series for losing. He gave his team every opportunity to win the series. That they didn't is not the goalies fault, its the players in front of him. 2) The downward trajectory did not start before the 2017 playoffs. That is again revisionist history. Did he play shitty last season? sure. Has he been shit this year? Yes. His last 4 starts in particular have been a disaster (he had a .922 save percentage after the Boston game). But that doesn't mean we need to say 2016-17 was a bad season... it clearly wasn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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