IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: There's no substitute for elite players. I said in the intermission that we needed Drouin and Weber to step up. Instead, Weber was flailing around tryinghaplessly to compensate for Mete's pointless, futile rushing attempt on goal 4, and Drouin has been literally invisible this period. The end. Elite players has zero to do with it... - a 5 on 2 from a bad change - a breakaway from a bad outlet pass turnover - a cross ice pass in there end resulting in another counter attack 2 on 1 - a tipped shot from the point .. Sure Panarin is great and gifted talent, and his one timer from duschense was Ovechkinesque but dont blame mental errors from this young team on lack of elite talent. You make mistakes and hopefully you learn from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Where is Drouin? Has he played a single shift in the 3rd? I haven't heard his name once. If the coach won't play him, then we have to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Disagree. Guys like Domi are young and will either level off or improve. KoKO has barely scratched the surface. Danault or Tatar may regress slightly, but they're accomplished pros who can be relied upon. Gally is Mr. Reliable. Petry seems to be aging like fine wine. I know everyone hates when I talk like this, but I'm worried that Weber is the guy who will slip a bit. Arguably he already has been doing this for the past several weeks. And of course we have no elite D in the system to pick up the slack if he falters. This organization does not have the talent it needs and does not project to become a contender IMHO. That, as I see it, is the really deep issue we face. MB will need one or two more off-seasons like this one, where every card he plays comes up trumps, for that to happen. Not holding my breath, but anything is possible. Hasn't Weber missed 80 games since joining us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Elite players has zero to do with it... - a 5 on 2 from a bad change - a breakaway from a bad outlet pass turnover - a cross ice pass in there end resulting in another counter attack 2 on 1 - a tipped shot from the point .. Sure Panarin is great and gifted talent, and his one timer from duschense was Ovechkinesque but dont blame mental errors from this young team on lack of elite talent. You make mistakes and hopefully you learn from them Oh, so this group has elite talent? That's good, because outside of the guy in net I don't see any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Disagree. Guys like Domi are young and will either level off or improve. KoKO has barely scratched the surface. Danault or Tatar may regress slightly, but they're accomplished pros who can be relied upon. Gally is Mr. Reliable. Petry seems to be aging like fine wine. I know everyone hates when I talk like this, but I'm worried that Weber is the guy who will slip a bit. Arguably he already has been doing this for the past several weeks. And of course we have no elite D in the system to pick up the slack if he falters. This organization does not have the talent it needs and does not project to become a contender IMHO. That, as I see it, is the really deep issue we face. MB will need one or two more off-seasons like this one, where every card he plays comes up trumps, for that to happen. Not holding my breath, but anything is possible. This team needs to add a top 6 goalscorer immediately, preferably one with some physical attributes to his game (think Simmonds)...and if they can jettison Drouin to do it, great. Add that and a solid LD and you're in a much better position to make the playoffs next season at lest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Where is Drouin? Has he played a single shift in the 3rd? I haven't heard his name once. If the coach won't play him, then we have to trade him. He's NOT elite that's for f'n sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Elite players has zero to do with it... - a 5 on 2 from a bad change - a breakaway from a bad outlet pass turnover - a cross ice pass in there end resulting in another counter attack 2 on 1 - a tipped shot from the point .. Sure Panarin is great and gifted talent, and his one timer from duschense was Ovechkinesque but dont blame mental errors from this young team on lack of elite talent. You make mistakes and hopefully you learn from them Good points. Now can I go back to being depressed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Where is Drouin? Has he played a single shift in the 3rd? I haven't heard his name once. If the coach won't play him, then we have to trade him. He underperforms offensively and stinks defensively 80% of the time...damn right you have to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, sbhatt said: This team needs to add a top 6 goalscorer immediately, preferably one with some physical attributes to his game (think Simmonds)...and if they can jettison Drouin to do it, great. Add that and a solid LD and you're in a much better position to make the playoffs next season at lest. Agree that the LD will make a big difference. Heck, I wouldn't mind if we go after Karlsson. I'm a big believer that offence starts with the D. Sign him and trade Petry for help up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, sbhatt said: He underperforms offensively and stinks defensively 80% of the time...damn right you have to trade him. He's a bag of sh*t. A pity we gave up the talented LD we need in order to acquire Galchenyuk 2.0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Are we sure we want to play with a man advantage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I'm glad I like tennis too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Oh, so this group has elite talent? That's good, because outside of the guy in net I don't see any. That's not what I meant.... I meant it's not Columbus and there elite talent that put us to bed tonight. Sbit we had them looking like an AHL team after 20 minutes. I'm saying this team failed to come out in the 2nd period and weather an inevitable push back from a more mature hockey team. We are young and we showed it with the errors we made. Not to mention this team is missing a top end talent ( says our salary cap space) At least Carolina lost.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 4 quick ones and we're right back in it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 RDS guys reminding us of the greatness of David Savard Anything to make themselves feel better, I guess. I am terribly disappointed. I expected a spirited effort and maybe a narrow defeat, like we suffered against Carolina. Instead we got owned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 That was sickening; one good period doesn't get you a win in 90% of hockey games in October. If that's the best you can do in the biggest game of the year at crunch time, better off not making the playoffs only to be humiliated by Tbay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 game point streak followed up by this stinker. File it away and start up a 4 game point streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, huzer said: 5 game point streak followed up by this stinker. File it away and start up a 4 game point streak. That's the spirit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Carolina losing in regulation at least keeps them somewhat within striking distance. Getting 2 out of the next 4 would be a decent showing but will 94 points (without the benefit of tiebreaks) be enough to get in? They'll need some help. They typically respond well after a stinker so it'll be interesting to see how they come out on Saturday in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: He's a bag of sh*t. A pity we gave up the talented LD we need in order to acquire Galchenyuk 2.0 I'd rather have Galchenyuk!! 45 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Agree that the LD will make a big difference. Heck, I wouldn't mind if we go after Karlsson. I'm a big believer that offence starts with the D. Sign him and trade Petry for help up front. Now your talking... We could only hope he wants to stick it to OTT by signing with us. I would keep Petry and play someone on there off-side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 If this was at home there might have been a chance, but Columbus just has a better team top to bottom than we do. We're in the same race as them because of coaching and team spirit. It appears that our most likely finish will be the final lottery team, aka the worst spot in the league. I'm with Cuke in that it's hard to see this team getting substantially better in the short term, so how do we avoid another Koivu era? Should we sell players like Petry, Gallagher and Tatar for picks and prospects while their value is high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 45 minutes ago, Neech said: If this was at home there might have been a chance, but Columbus just has a better team top to bottom than we do. We're in the same race as them because of coaching and team spirit. It appears that our most likely finish will be the final lottery team, aka the worst spot in the league. I'm with Cuke in that it's hard to see this team getting substantially better in the short term, so how do we avoid another Koivu era? Should we sell players like Petry, Gallagher and Tatar for picks and prospects while their value is high? Not going to happen. The only way forward is to hope we score huge on the UFA market and trade fronts, and maybe draft an unexpected gem or two like with did with Gallagher and Subban. While I don't rule this out, the likeliest outcome, as I imply in the "Habs in three years" thread, is that we will be looking at a foreseeable future of "good-not-great, make the playoffs and hope Price plays out of his mind." Sadly, quite a few Habs fans seem to be satisfied with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Neech said: If this was at home there might have been a chance, but Columbus just has a better team top to bottom than we do. We're in the same race as them because of coaching and team spirit. It appears that our most likely finish will be the final lottery team, aka the worst spot in the league. I'm with Cuke in that it's hard to see this team getting substantially better in the short term, so how do we avoid another Koivu era? Should we sell players like Petry, Gallagher and Tatar for picks and prospects while their value is high? I couldn't disagree more. Here I'm thinking this team who happens to be the 2nd youngest in hockey is only fighting for there playoff lives because of there inabilitily to transfer excellent 5 on 5 play to special teams play whether we are talking -the PP (worst in NHL) -PK which was horrible to start the season but now improved to middle of the pack Even 3 on 3 seems to be a hinderance as we play OT " not to lose" rather then playing "to win" I think we are in this race despite coaching and lack of special teams. Give me an average PP heck even slightly below avg and we are in a race with BOS and TO for 2nd and 3rd rather then a wildcard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I haven't watched much hockey this year (lost interest around the same time my dad did when he was my age funny enough, at least he had me around to stay partially engaged) but work was slow so I watched this game and thought I would say hi. Is Claude Julien coaching or Michel Therrien? The young skilled guys were stapled to the bench while grinders I've never heard of were always on my screen. Who the heck is Weal? Is this guy some powerplay specialist I've never heard of? I barely saw Kotkaniemi, which knowing Julien and rookies is no surprise. Domi sure proved me wrong. Still don't care for him as a human. He seemed to be the 2C based on the line report. Why isn't Drouin with him? Why was Drouin and Kotkaniemi playing together? That sounds like Julien creating a situation to ensure those guys don't play. You can't put a rookie centre with a heat magnet like Drouin. Mete looked good. Weber looked exactly what I expected. Price got exactly the kind of defensive coverage I expected. Habs played one period and got a lucky goal from Petry on possibly the most important game of the year. If they make the playoffs they are playing probably Tampa? Playoffs just means money for two home games in Molson's pocket it sounds like. Feels like the team finally has a future with young centres and young defencemen but I don't know how they compete in the next three years with the Bolts of the league. I wish I could be coming in eating all the crow but this is worse than the team being bottom 5 again. At least that could mean Hughes. At least the Sens won't get him. At least this isn't the Sens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: I couldn't disagree more. Here I'm thinking this team who happens to be the 2nd youngest in hockey is only fighting for there playoff lives because of there inabilitily to transfer excellent 5 on 5 play to special teams play whether we are talking -the PP (worst in NHL) -PK which was horrible to start the season but now improved to middle of the pack Even 3 on 3 seems to be a hinderance as we play OT " not to lose" rather then playing "to win" I think we are in this race despite coaching and lack of special teams. Give me an average PP heck even slightly below avg and we are in a race with BOS and TO for 2nd and 3rd rather then a wildcard. I know what you mean, but it seems to be surprisingly hard to have both a strong 5-on-5 and a strong PP team. I don't know why that should be, but the Habs have tended to be either one or the other for a long time - going back at least to Jacques Martin (whose teams killed on special teams and stunk 5 on 5), and possibly before that. So it's really not as simple as saying, "fix the PP and keep everything else that's good, and we'll be golden." Perhaps a better way to think about it is that you need defencemen to run your PP. Even Weber is all shot and no playmaking. The problem may be structural, i.e., having to do with talent. If we add talent to the blueline - e.g., a legit top-pairing defenceman - then we might get closer to what you're looking for. But that would not be improvement from within; it'd be a major talent upgrade. As for blaming Claude Julien for the team's inadequacies, I'm not buying it. Normally when a team is widely predicted to stink out the joint and does respectably, the coach gets credit. Now I'm hearing a lot of Habs fans blaming Julien for taking a "good team" and turning it into mediocrity. It's not hard to understand: this team is not good enough. Period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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