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Thought he was a fine defensive forward, 2nd/3rd liner. Never played 1st line did he?

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He always played a checking role, which was not a match for the first line. But he surely deserves this just as well (or more so) as many other candidates: scoring lots of goals should not be the only criterion for a forward.

 

Now, about Paul Henderson ...

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He was an elite defensive forward, the best of his time. People who did not see Carbo play probably cannot appreciate the way in which he really could control a game; at his peak he was just as impactful in doing this from a defensive perspective as a guy like Ovechkin might be from an offensive POV. A fully deserving member of the HoF in my opinion.

 

On a side note, I'm one of those dinosaurs who thinks it's unfortunate that the Selke now routinely goes to high-scoring two-way forwards. The award was designed for Bob Gainey, the prototypical defensive specialist. Carbo was Gainey's truest successor.

 

 

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Carbonneau would be the equivalent of Patrice Bergeron now a days.  No you say?  Bergeron plays with Marchand and Pastrnak on the 1st line, in a defence 1st era.  Carbonneau played on the 3rd line with Mike McPhee, Mike Keane, Benoit Brunet etc., while being responsible for checking Gretzky, Lemieux, Hawerchuck, Yzerman, Turgeon, Oates, Trottier, Savard in the highest scoring period of the league, while regularly scoring 20 goals.

Yes he also played with the likes of Gainey (end of career), Claude Lemieux, Skrudland and some other fantastic hockey players as well.

The Hall Of Fame nomination is so much deserved!!!

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3 hours ago, kaos said:

Carbonneau would be the equivalent of Patrice Bergeron now a days.  

Not even in same ballpark on offense.

3 hours ago, kaos said:

while regularly scoring 20 goals.

Five 20 g seasons out of 19 seasons, in the highest scoring era of hockey, when even a monkey could score 20 (e.g. Nilan)

3 hours ago, kaos said:

 while being responsible for checking Gretzky, Lemieux, Hawerchuck, Yzerman, Turgeon, Oates, Trottier, Savard in the highest scoring period of the league

And how did the Habs do vs Oilers-Pitt, they regularly got lit up by 99 & 66, is why the Habs only won once in the 80s and that was a very unexpected win due to play of a real hall of famer in Roy, not Carbonneau. And in 92-93 he had a 17point season and 3g in playoffs, so again he wasnt key in that cup win.

 

Was he a solid hard working defensive forward and above average NHLer, for sure. H0F calibre, just dont see it.:devil:

(Also maybe why almost no one has even mentioned him being inducted, 2 or 3 other replies to this thread.)

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I really liked Carbo as a player, but I don’t see him as a HOF player, just like I don’t think Federko and Gillis are HOF worthy, I think the Hockey HOF needs to be harder to get into like baseball and it also needs to be much more transparent like baseball.  I absolutely hate that there is a push to get Rogie Vachon in and the fact that Doug Wilson isn’t in.

 

Having said that, it’s nice to see a Hab get in - I honestly didn’t think another Hab would get in until Price retired.

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On 6/26/2019 at 7:18 PM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

On a side note, I'm one of those dinosaurs who thinks it's unfortunate that the Selke now routinely goes to high-scoring two-way forwards. The award was designed for Bob Gainey, the prototypical defensive specialist. Carbo was Gainey's truest successor.

 

As a dinosaur you're forgetting Clarke, Murray, Poulin, Gilmour, Fedorov, and Francis winning it.

 

When Carbonneau won in 88-89 he was the Habs 2nd highest point scoring centre on the best team in the league while being 4th on the team in goals. He wasn't a slouch in offence that year.

 

I'm more impressed with the Fedorov and Datsyuk's and Kopitar's of the world who put up top scoring numbers while playing elite defence over guys who can let other players worry about scoring while they just focus on shutting players down. It's why the Subban's out there always impressed me more than shutdown defencemen.

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5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

I wonder if Koivu has a chance?

He might have had he not blown his knee, or even afterwards had the habs not lost against the canes after Williams almost blinded him.  I always wonder what could have been if Koivu hadn’t got hurt.  How far would the habs have gone?  If he took that team to the cup and didn’t have his stick broken on the gold medal Olympic  final against Sweden, with an Olympic gold and cup,  he might’ve been considered, but not with his career numbers on their own.

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I guess Bergeron is now a lock for the Hall.  Any other defensive forwards of the last few decades that should be feeling good about their chances?

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5 hours ago, Neech said:

I guess Bergeron is now a lock for the Hall.  Any other defensive forwards of the last few decades that should be feeling good about their chances?

 

Come come. Bergevin was a plumber. Carbo was an artisan, a cerebral master who controlled games with his defensive excellence. We're not talking about Nate Thompson here.

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48 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Come come. Bergevin was a plumber. Carbo was an artisan, a cerebral master who controlled games with his defensive excellence. We're not talking about Nate Thompson here.

 

Hahaha I don't think that even the biggest of MB's fans are that deluded.  But Bergeron might be a legit consideration, with his Selkes, Cup ring and International successes.

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1 hour ago, lazy26 said:

 

Hahaha I don't think that even the biggest of MB's fans are that deluded.  But Bergeron might be a legit consideration, with his Selkes, Cup ring and International successes.

Bergeron is a lock.  Carbo was a great player, but a marginal HOFer. I’d put him above Gillis and Federko, because of the individual awards, but if this was the baseball HOF, no way he makes the cut.

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5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Come come. Bergevin was a plumber. Carbo was an artisan, a cerebral master who controlled games with his defensive excellence. We're not talking about Nate Thompson here.

 

Talking about the Bruin here, who I thought had a good shot at the Hall but now that Carbo's in I'm thinking that he's a lock.  Our Bergy wasn't a forward.

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Carbo is why I started wearing 21 in my teen years. He's a multiple cup winner, multiple individual award winner, so I guess it's not THAT much of a stretch. 

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13 hours ago, lazy26 said:

 

Hahaha I don't think that even the biggest of MB's fans are that deluded.  But Bergeron might be a legit consideration, with his Selkes, Cup ring and International successes.

 

Ha ha, whoops. I've got Bergevin on the brain, clearly.

 

Yes, Bergeron is a lock, and deservedly so.

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On 7/3/2019 at 11:43 AM, hab29RETIRED said:

Bergeron is a lock.  Carbo was a great player, but a marginal HOFer. I’d put him above Gillis and Federko, because of the individual awards, but if this was the baseball HOF, no way he makes the cut.

 

Guys like Harold Baines and Jack Morris get into the baseball HOF these days, it's not exactly as exclusive as it used to be either.

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Some may recall, but Carbonneau was considered a great defensive prospect but was also a high scoring junior prospect when he was drafted - 182 points in 72 games for the Sagueneens in 1980 and had 94 points in 77 games his last year in the AHL.  Sure, the QMJHL had some pretty absurd offense numbers those days but that's still good for 23rd best all time there (Lemieux holds the record at 282 points in a single QMJHL season - lol).  The Habs developed him mainly as a checking line C and never really gave him a chance to develop his offense.  He's the best of his era in that role.  He was also a leader on the team and, despite the role, did contribute on offense despite rarely having line-mates that could score much.  He also set the club record for short handed goals in a season twice.  3 cup rings (captain for one of them), 3 Selke trophies (and he unquestionably deserved more - 83, 84, 85, 86 and 90 are the years he should've won the Selke, or at least 2-3 of those years, beyond the 3 he did win in 88, 89 and 92).  Worth noting for those that don't remember, he also won the Jack Adams in 2008 as coach of the year for the Habs...wasn't right that he was fired the following season. 

 

I don't see this as marginal at all...the Habs of the late 80's through early 90's were generally strong well rounded teams that really had no "superstar" offensive players - they were well balanced teams.  We're talking about an era that pumped out 100 point a year players all over the league and I think the only one they had in the 80's was Naslund in '86.  Carbonneau was the lynch pin of the defensive style they played...well, beyond Roy in net...lol.

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