Popular Post Link67 Posted July 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 4, 2019 I like the signing, salary is easy to work with, term is good. Brings punishing, physical play, as well as a good first pass and sound decisions in his own zone. Also has experience playing against top 6 opposition having played next to Big Buff. His career is also trending in the right direction, his responsibility and role has been growing, his numbers have been growing. All in all I like the player, I like the contract, and I like what he brings to the table. With that said, he is not an ideal candidate to play with Weber, they bring too many of the same elements to the table to be good complimentary pieces for each other. He is however, an ideal candidate for Petry, who could then go rogue and help the forwards more often, knowing he has a steady force holding down the fort behind him. This signing does improve the D, but it does not improve it in a significant way, and does not bring Weber an ideal partner. I see... Mete - Weber Chariot - Petry Kulak - Juulsen While it may be better than anything we could have put together last season, it is not a big enough leap forward to transform us into a team that can make some noise in the playoffs, much less a low key contender, which is disappointing. I am not disappointed with the player, he will have a positive impact on this D. I am not disappointed with an improvement, because it is one. I am disappointed with CURRENT situation, because a lot can change from now until training camp, but thus far, having the cap to fix some important holes and make quantum leap improvements to this roster, we only have decent improvements to show for so far. I will keep a measured and patient approach leading into training camp, but I think we can all agree this is a welcome step in the right direction towards improving the team, it is also not nearly enough. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I don't mind Chiarot but that contract seems like it's way too much. I had him getting three years but at $2.25 million - I'm usually not that far off an AAV. He's a #5 d-man and while he'll help, that's a stiff price to pay for someone that is ideally on the third pairing in a perfect world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 7 hours ago, TheDriveFor25 said: Seems like a 2nd pair guy.. So is it.. Mete Weber Chiarot Petry Kulak Juulsen Rielly? I thought Edmundson would be the guy they would get to play with Petry. Chiarot has a bit better production but a bit less of possession number (as per hockey-reference). I think that the Habs have improved their D from last year, if you also account for Weber starting the year healthy and Price having a better backup. I see the CH protecting Mete and Weber and deciding on Petry (at 33 years old) or another top D they may sign from now until the expansion draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I see the CH protecting Mete and Weber and deciding on Petry (at 33 years old) or another top D they may sign from now until the expansion draft. They won't necessarily need to protect Petry in expansion. He'll be a pending UFA at the time so he'd probably waive the NMC. (If they sign him to an extension though, then yes, he'd be protected.) As things stand, it'll probably be Weber plus two of Mete, Juulsen, Fleury, Kulak, Chiarot, and Alzner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) I think that we overhype the expansion draft. Don't worry about it. Build the best team possible... protect your 7 + 3 + 1... and then lose one player and move on. The teams that did this came out fine. The teams that tried to do trades to play around with the expansion draft... Florida, Columbus, Anaheim, they are the ones who lost the most. You lose your 12th best player (or 13th, 14th, 15th if you have good young players) ... so does everyone else. No need to set your roster a year in advance on this. Edited July 4, 2019 by Commandant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I don't mind the Chiarot signing. He is hardly an offensive dynamo but he is a solid and tough defensive defenceman. I would rather do this than sign Gardiner for 7 million on a long term contract. Perhaps Gardiner had no interest in coming to Montreal anyway at any price. I agree that he might be the ideal partner for Petry. Hopefully Mete develops into a good partner for Weber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 55 minutes ago, Commandant said: I think that we overhype the expansion draft. Don't worry about it. Build the best team possible... protect your 7 + 3 + 1... and then lose one player and move on. The teams that did this came out fine. The teams that tried to do trades to play around with the expansion draft... Florida, Columbus, Anaheim, they are the ones who lost the most. You lose your 12th best player (or 13th, 14th, 15th if you have good young players) ... so does everyone else. No need to set your roster a year in advance on this. If you have four good defensemen, like Nashville did, then you're in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I don’t mind this signing, like others have said he should be a serviceable D man next to Petry. The one hope I guess is for Mete to really take that next step in his development next year. I thought he got a lot better when he got called back up, he’s a smart player and one could hope his upside is something like Ryan Ellis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Upgrade on Meat and Kulak and Benn and team is better with this guy i suppose. Dont recall ever hearing his name before. Hopefully he is good on the PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Poach 2 bits of Marc Dumonts Athletic summary on Chiarot : "As for his offensive impact, well, that probably won’t surprise you. Without Chiarot, the Jets were just below the league average, but with him, they took 15 percent fewer shots per hour, and the high-danger shots were almost non-existent." "As for his work on the penalty kill, that’s probably where Chiarot brings the most value. He was one of the best penalty killers with the Jets, and his impact is impossible to ignore. The Jets went from a subpar team to a team that did a great job mitigating scoring chances." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Between Chiarot and Lehkonen, we should have a strong PK setup this coming season. Neither one will do much to help the PP, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Neech said: If you have four good defensemen, like Nashville did, then you're in trouble. The you protect 4 and 4. Build the best team you can. Take your medicine and lose one player. It is what it is. Build the best roster you can and maybe 2 or 3 players you have are attractive... oh well... lose one keep the rest. Dont go out and pass up opportunities to add players or trade guys away a year in advance just cause its coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Commandant said: The you protect 4 and 4. Build the best team you can. Take your medicine and lose one player. It is what it is. Build the best roster you can and maybe 2 or 3 players you have are attractive... oh well... lose one keep the rest. Dont go out and pass up opportunities to add players or trade guys away a year in advance just cause its coming. I agree with your last sentence, but it would suck to lose your 5th best forward. We were lucky in that we didn't have to expose anyone good. Maybe Chiarot will be our best player exposed when the draft comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 hours ago, dlbalr said: I don't mind Chiarot but that contract seems like it's way too much. I had him getting three years but at $2.25 million - I'm usually not that far off an AAV. He's a #5 d-man and while he'll help, that's a stiff price to pay for someone that is ideally on the third pairing in a perfect world. I guess we know that Bergy's still not listening to his stats guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I find it a bit funny when we come up with "a good first pass" as a quality for a dman. Guys who don't make a good 1st pass are not NHL level players IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: I find it a bit funny when we come up with "a good first pass" as a quality for a dman. Guys who don't make a good 1st pass are not NHL level players IMHO. There is good first pass for an NHL level player, and one who can do it in the AHL but not the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: I find it a bit funny when we come up with "a good first pass" as a quality for a dman. Guys who don't make a good 1st pass are not NHL level players IMHO. I cannot remember well, but I think Tinordi or Georges were players that were not able to do a good first pass and tended to either chip out the puck or get hemmed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 In todays NHL, I believe that we should have on our roster a maximum of ZERO defenseman that doesn't have a good first pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeLassister said: In todays NHL, I believe that we should have on our roster a maximum of ZERO defenseman that doesn't have a good first pass. So if a d-man has 150mph slapshot that goalies cant stop and is great defensively (they are called defensemen for a reason), but exactly like Weber just doesn't have a good 1st pass, you don't want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 32 minutes ago, DON said: So if a d-man has 150mph slapshot that goalies cant stop and is great defensively (they are called defensemen for a reason), but exactly like Weber just doesn't have a good 1st pass, you don't want him. Weber has a good 1st pass. He rarely creates icings throwing the puck across the board. There is no one in this league who is really great defensively while being useless in the possession of the puck, so yeah, I don't want any more Jordie Benn on our team. Forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: Weber has a good 1st pass. He rarely creates icings throwing the puck across the board. There is no one in this league who is really great defensively while being useless in the possession of the puck, so yeah, I don't want any more Jordie Benn on our team. Forever. Douglas Murray was the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Commandant said: Douglas Murray was the worst. Please. I'm trying to forget and forgive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 hours ago, JoeLassister said: I find it a bit funny when we come up with "a good first pass" as a quality for a dman. Guys who don't make a good 1st pass are not NHL level players IMHO. A good first pass is as much about the ability to pass accurately as it is to make the right decision with little to no risk of giving it up to the opposition when the responsibility of the first pass is yours to make throughout a game. A combination I think we can agree not all Dmen are consistently able to pull off around the league, some guys will drive offense but their first pass is a Russian roulette of outcomes throughout a game. Some guys will be hard on the puck, win their battles and chip it off the boards playing the whole game almost like its a PK, very rarely making a heads up play out of his zone. Some guys will go win their battles, and before they even reach their blue line, make a heads up play of passing the puck to a team mate with high efficiency and low risk. The latter category is where guys like Weber and Chariot fall into, they don't drive offense, but they are very efficient on their half of the ice, and their good first pass allows them to support a healthy transition game. Defensive Dmen with a good first pass are an essential part of a balanced D corps in today's NHL, imo. If you mesh them with offense driving partners who can skate up and down the ice, what you get is a combination of forward support, very good transition, and lowered turn over totals while that duo is on the ice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Link67 said: A good first pass is as much about the ability to pass accurately as it is to make the right decision with little to no risk of giving it up to the opposition when the responsibility of the first pass is yours to make throughout a game. A combination I think we can agree not all Dmen are consistently able to pull off around the league, some guys will drive offense but their first pass is a Russian roulette of outcomes throughout a game. Some guys will be hard on the puck, win their battles and chip it off the boards playing the whole game almost like its a PK, very rarely making a heads up play out of his zone. Some guys will go win their battles, and before they even reach their blue line, make a heads up play of passing the puck to a team mate with high efficiency and low risk. The latter category is where guys like Weber and Chariot fall into, they don't drive offense, but they are very efficient on their half of the ice, and their good first pass allows them to support a healthy transition game. Defensive Dmen with a good first pass are an essential part of a balanced D corps in today's NHL, imo. If you mesh them with offense driving partners who can skate up and down the ice, what you get is a combination of forward support, very good transition, and lowered turn over totals while that duo is on the ice. Exactly what I'm saying. Red = not today's NHL level players IMO Blue = minimum required in today's NHL level Better than blue are the Subban, Karlsson, Seth Jones, Klingberg, Letang, etc. I don't want to see red on our Def Squad anymore. Not even our 7th dman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 We still don't have that elusive #1/#2 LD, but we now have an awful lot of LD in the system: Mete Chiarot Kulak Reilly Leskinen Olofsson Ouellet Alzner Certainly we have enough that we should be able to easily fill the third pairing even if Kulak or Reilly falters. But eight is a lot, will we play someone on the off wing, or should we expect to lose someone to waivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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