Commandant Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: What pick was Pastrnak taken with ??? What pick were kucherav and debrinicat (ours pick by the way wasted on Shaw), picked with??? I have no problem moving Tatar, Petry for additional late firsts and seconds. We just have to do a better job at drafting and development - something I don’t trust MB with. How many elite type players has he actually been responsible for drafting AND developing???? Getting additional picks is a good idea. I never said otherwise. More swings is better. My only point has always been that "tanking" so you pick a couple spots higher isnt worth it unless you can get a top 3 pick... and with the way the lottery works there are no guarantees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Blah blah blah, I’m commandant klink and am a know it all only my opinion matters and everything else is irrelevant!! Pot meet kettle Only its not me you argue against. Its usually some made up move Bergevin should have made but didnt... only with no evidence it was even available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Pot meet kettle Only its not me you argue against. Its usually some made up move Bergevin should have made but didnt... only with no evidence it was even available. And your argument for years has been statistically we are good but unlucky and dealing with injuries. for someone who constantly complains about personal attacks you start the most from any poster in this forum. But I guess that comes wit the territory of being a lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Its a personal attack to point out that everything you post is negative? Not in my books. Attacking the posts... and attacking the poster with name calling are two different things (note im NOT saying you have made any personal attacks here). That said i have not always said we are good and dealing with injuries. I said the 2018 team.sucked. I said the 2019 team was good 5v5 but being crap on the PP cost them a playoff spot. I will say that poor goaltending in the first half, lack of a top 4 d on the left side, defensive errors, and yes injuries have combined to hurt a team that could have been good with the way they control the play. You on the other hand have posted that everything is awful all the time. I think in less than 5% of what you right have you ever said a single thing you like about the current team. You also disappear when the team is winning and only post when things are going poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Tinordi and Beaulieu havbe to be blamed on Gauthier, if we blame the GM McCarron, MB has admitted, was a rookie mistake where he trusted the scouting team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Tinordi and Beaulieu havbe to be blamed on Gauthier, if we blame the GM McCarron, MB has admitted, was a rookie mistake where he trusted the scouting team. He also blamed the scouting on the galchenyuk pick. Just like he blame's injuries, and his players on not playing up to their potential for reasons not making the playoffs. Oh and the fact it's hard to make trades to improve the team and the only way you can get a elite player is by drafting them. Blah, blah, blah........ Same old same old. Pick a direction and go with it, that's all I have to say. If you as a gm want to build the team through the draft that's fine. But you need to go all in with the rebuild, you trade Price, Weber, Tatar, Byron, Petry get as much draft picks and prospects and NHL ready prospects as you can. Don't worry about playoffs. If you're going to worry about playoffs then this isn't no rebuild and as a gm you should of upgrade this team in the off season to improve it from last year. Which you didn't. Either upgrade to improve the team or blow up the old cord and rebuild . Just pick a path and stop this bubble team BS that's been going on the last 8 years. The only thing guarantee in 4 years is price will be older and weber will be close to retirement. And guys like petry, Tatar and Byron might not even be with the team since their contracts will be coming to a end by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I have this gut feeling that MB really believes he has a winning roster and will use all the excuses to keep this garbage bunch together. I hope im wrong and he sticks to the whatever he called the rebuild and sells at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: He also blamed the scouting on the galchenyuk pick. Just like he blame's injuries, and his players on not playing up to their potential for reasons not making the playoffs. Oh and the fact it's hard to make trades to improve the team and the only way you can get a elite player is by drafting them. Blah, blah, blah........ Same old same old. Pick a direction and go with it, that's all I have to say. If you as a gm want to build the team through the draft that's fine. But you need to go all in with the rebuild, you trade Price, Weber, Tatar, Byron, Petry get as much draft picks and prospects and NHL ready prospects as you can. Don't worry about playoffs. If you're going to worry about playoffs then this isn't no rebuild and as a gm you should of upgrade this team in the off season to improve it from last year. Which you didn't. Either upgrade to improve the team or blow up the old cord and rebuild . Just pick a path and stop this bubble team BS that's been going on the last 8 years. The only thing guarantee in 4 years is price will be older and weber will be close to retirement. And guys like petry, Tatar and Byron might not even be with the team since their contracts will be coming to a end by then. So..... why don’t we throw 10 different negative angles that contradict one another out there and then maybe one of them will stick. The plan this season was to make the playoffs. MB didn’t do enough in the offseason to improve our team. Whether or not it’s true, that’s all that needed to be said. We were not rebuilding this year so all that trade Price and Weber talk is moot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: So..... why don’t we throw 10 different negative angles that contradict one another out there and then maybe one of them will stick. The plan this season was to make the playoffs. MB didn’t do enough in the offseason to improve our team. Whether or not it’s true, that’s all that needed to be said. We were not rebuilding this year so all that trade Price and Weber talk is moot. Lesson all I want from Bergevin is to pick a path for this team and not always leave it in limbo. He says the goal is to be a playoff team. But then does nothing to improve the team's odds in making the playoffs. The only time he does anything is mid season when the season is in jeopardy. Just pick a path and do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: McCarron, MB has admitted, was a rookie mistake where he trusted the scouting team. 14 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: He also blamed the scouting on the galchenyuk pick. I'd be very curious to see some source for those 2 statements. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 MB and GM have been very clear on the direction they are taking the team hired two young coach prospects, and a proven D coach. Piled lots of picks for a couple of years to bring the pipeline to a respectable level. Build a core of veterans to lead the prospects as they become the contending team Entering the season, they had a playoff bound team. Price was shot and injuries happened; now they are playing for honour and trying to continue path Claims that scouting is bad, picks from 10 years ago are relevant and Lefevre’ coaching have any incidence on this season are unfounded Claims that the organization is not working to improve things is not true given t he overall improvement in depth, prospect pool and no-quit attitude The NHL team lacks elite talent. The AHL does not have elite prospects. And there are two holes at the NHL that need to be addressed : backup goalie and LD so, what’s all this complaining about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: I'd be very curious to see some source for those 2 statements. I’ll look it up, on McCarron but he is on record saying that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: I'd be very curious to see some source for those 2 statements. Its on record saying he wanted to draft Morgan Rielly but was told to go with galchenyuk. On his first year as GM McCarron was all him though, that's when he was looking for that big gritty center. They could of probably had him in the 3rd round didn't need to draft him with the first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: McCarron was all him though, that's when he was looking for that big gritty center. They could of probably had him in the 3rd round didn't need to draft him with the first pick. Back then, there were many other GMs looking for big, gritty centres, too ... not many of them foresaw the game changing the way it has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Back then, there were many other GMs looking for big, gritty centres, too ... not many of them foresaw the game changing the way it has. I know just saying he wasn't a first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: I know just saying he wasn't a first round pick. Agree that he shouldn't have been. Just saying that another GM, too, might have been foolish enough to pick him in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: I'd be very curious to see some source for those 2 statements. So would i. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I’ll look it up, on McCarron but he is on record saying that I thought he said the opposite and that he was the one who overruled the scouts on mccarron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 52 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: Its on record saying he wanted to draft Morgan Rielly but was told to go with galchenyuk. On his first year as GM McCarron was all him though, that's when he was looking for that big gritty center. They could of probably had him in the 3rd round didn't need to draft him with the first pick. While i ranked him as a third rounder... i was pretty much the only analyst who did. He wasnt falling to the third round. Just like Tyler Biggs, i predicted a GM would fall in love with the size and overlook the flaws. Someone was taking him early 2nd round at latest imo. It was a bad pick but there is no chance he could have been taken later (third round). That wasnt an option. No need to be revisionist on this. Its fine to.just say it.was a bad pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: McCarron, MB has admitted, was a rookie mistake where he trusted the scouting team. Where did you see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said: They could of probably had him in the 3rd round didn't need to draft him with the first pick. I call BS on that! Not a chance in hell he was not being picked in the 1st 60, most likely in top 45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: I'd be very curious to see some source for those 2 statements. Yes, your not the only one. Both Tinordi and McCarron were "Anti- Smurf" picks, I think Molson had a hand in those 2 picks. And I would guess they were not Timmin's 1st choices Galchenyuk, was a very popular pick and I cant remember anyone not liking it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Commandant said: While i ranked him as a third rounder... i was pretty much the only analyst who did. He wasnt falling to the third round. Just like Tyler Biggs, i predicted a GM would fall in love with the size and overlook the flaws. Someone was taking him early 2nd round at latest imo. It was a bad pick but there is no chance he could have been taken later (third round). That wasnt an option. No need to be revisionist on this. Its fine to.just say it.was a bad pick. A nice article from 2013 here, starts off with the McCarron pick and a thrown laptop ... https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2013/7/7/4486444/canadiens-habs-draft-nhl-debriefing-evaluation-philosophy-timmins-bergevin-mccarron A bad pick -- but was it a bad pick made because everyone was complaining about the smurfs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, DON said: Where did you see that? I am sure I heard him say it on the radio, probably to Ron Fournier. I need to check if there is a transcript of that or a reference in a blog or newspaper. It was after he was almost fired and he had stopped given interviews. Part of the "be more transparent" media interviews he did at the end of one summer. I forget which one (2018?) I'll look for it. But I am 100% he said it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I just honestly don’t feel that there’s a plan that’s in place that’s being stuck to. case in point if this team is out of the playoff picture by the all star break he goes out and make trades for a playoff push. if there’s a play to go young and build through the draft, we shouldn’t be thinking playoffs. If we happen to be close or make it, that should be look at as a bonus. But the end goal should be the draft and setting us up for a better percentage of getting a really talented player. I just don't see that happening here. With this reset we probably only have one top prospect in Caulfield. I don't count the others because we have all ready had them in our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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