BCHabnut Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Sheesh. What's with all the back an forth about nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Sheesh. What's with all the back an forth about nothing? Ask the detective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Habsfan89 said: Once again this post was made because I seen people blame price for goals. But if you look at them their not all on him. Everyone and their mother knows our D isn't good so just because he hates In your eyes no one else can make a comment on it or else a stalker like you thinks their the same person. Wow buddy he really must of pushed your buttons to make you paranoid about him. This is a former where habs fans voice their opinions about the team its not uncommon people have some same . I am not saying the D is trash , but to make a push for the playoffs or even a run in the playoffs it needs upgrades. No one has pushed my buttons. I’m genuinely indifferent as to how people feel about Habs management. Your posts, including spelling mistakes, punctuation, etc. are the exact same as his and for whatever reason you want to deny it. That’s fine. It’s more than the content. I also don’t care about the topic so there’s nothing to push my buttons about. The team has left money on the table for 3 years now and could use a left handed upgrade on defence. Left handed defensemen should be easier to come by than right handed defensemen and yet we still haven’t upgraded. None of that has to do with Price. The argument that fans and management rely on Price too much was fit for 4 years ago, but Price hasn’t had a stretch of absolutely stealing games in a long time. “We’re only winning because of Price” is not a thought that should have occurred to anyone in the recent past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: No one has pushed my buttons. I’m genuinely indifferent as to how people feel about Habs management. Your posts, including spelling mistakes, punctuation, etc. are the exact same as his and for whatever reason you want to deny it. That’s fine. It’s more than the content. I also don’t care about the topic so there’s nothing to push my buttons about. The team has left money on the table for 3 years now and could use a left handed upgrade on defence. Left handed defensemen should be easier to come by than right handed defensemen and yet we still haven’t upgraded. None of that has to do with Price. The argument that fans and management rely on Price too much was fit for 4 years ago, but Price hasn’t had a stretch of absolutely stealing games in a long time. “We’re only winning because of Price” is not a thought that should have occurred to anyone in the recent past. If you're taking time to try and find similarities between 2 poster to try and see if they're the same then yes he pushed your buttons and got to you pretty bad. Also shows you need to get yourself a life or a job because you got to much time on your hands. I say this because your the only one doing it, so there for you have issues. So I am going to say this one last time...... Stop wasting your time because I have nothing to do with him. You need to move on. As for your comments about Price, yeah people still think as long as we have him and he his on his game we don't need to upgrade anything. I am a Price fan and just want to see him win a cup as a hab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Metallica --- Last posted on October 17th. Habsfan89 --- Joined the site on October 20th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 12 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Roy never got anything close to the vote of non confidence Price gets. Not even 1/10th of it. So not quite sure what your saying here but it definitely is not accurate. And rightfully so. He won multiple cups with multiple teams and never went on a season plus+ long stretch as the worst starter in hockey as Price has recently Again, Price finished off last year very impressively he was great from mid December on. But Im shocked that anyone wasnt super concerned in November when he was continuing the horrendous and disastrous season from year prior. What his performance in net has to do with MB boggles the mine. The same people so quick to hold Drouin accountable, or speak of Weber's "imminent downfall" are the same to deflect any accountability to our super star goaltender... Every team has weaknesses. Our weakness should NEVER be goaltending! In 1993, quite a few fans wanted Roy traded. This was not a small number of crackpots, it was a fairly common idea. A billboard was put up that riffed on the notion. And Roy himself was not always consistent. In fact he had a couple of atrocious playoff series between 1986 and 1993.All forgotten in the rosey colours of hindsight. So Price has had some mixed results in an October. Forgive me if I don't jump off the Champlain bridge. Like I say, Price is Henrik Lundqvist. A very fine goalie. Not the superhuman Price of 2014. That's reality. This team needs to assemble a respectable defensive unit; MB's comical inability to upgrade the LD is far more to blame for our woes than #31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Commandant said: Metallica --- Last posted on October 17th. Habsfan89 --- Joined the site on October 20th. Wow that's all I got to say, Never thought some people in here had no life but oh well. Think what you want i said what i had to say about this. But man that guy must of really got to you if you can't stop thinking about him lol so sad so sad. I drive a jeep quick go and read all his post to see if he said anything about driving a jeep. It might take some time but looks like you got all the time in the world to do it. Edited October 30, 2019 by Habsfan89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: Wow that's all I got to say, Never thought some people in here had no life but oh well. Think what you want i said what i had to say about this. But man that guy must of really got to you if you can't stop thinking about him lol so sad so sad. I drive a jeep quick go and read all his post to see if he said anything about driving a jeep. It might take some time but looks like you got all the time in the world to do it. my look took 2 seconds... it wasn't very time consuming at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 20 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: In 1993, quite a few fans wanted Roy traded. This was not a small number of crackpots, it was a fairly common idea. A billboard was put up that riffed on the notion. And Roy himself was not always consistent. In fact he had a couple of atrocious playoff series between 1986 and 1993.All forgotten in the rosey colours of hindsight. So Price has had some mixed results in an October. Forgive me if I don't jump off the Champlain bridge. Like I say, Price is Henrik Lundqvist. A very fine goalie. Not the superhuman Price of 2014. That's reality. This team needs to assemble a respectable defensive unit; MB's comical inability to upgrade the LD is far more to blame for our woes than #31. This is clearly false. Completely bogus!! Fans of the Montreal Canadiens DID NOT WANT Roy traded. That is 100% fact! Maybe Quebecer's deep in the province who were actual Nordique fans? I recall in 93 after going down 2-0 PRO nordique french papers chirping Roy saying he was done and Hextall was beating him. That he should be traded etc and we all know how that turned out. Remember not all francophone papers were pro Habs back then. We had a serious enemy in Quebec! But to say hab fans wanted him traded is clear falsehoods in order to drive a point across about Price. Roy wasnt consistent? are you kidding me? Between '86-93 86 stanley cup champ 87 conference finals loss to philly 88 2nd RD loss to Boston 89 stanley cup finals 90 2nd rd loss to BOS 91 2nd rd loss to BOS 92 2nd rd loss to BOS 93 Stanley cup Champ that is 18 playoff rounds WON in 8 years. You'd be very hard pressed to find a goalie that can match that kind of consistency and just to throw in that in 94 he lost in the 1st round to Boston in 7 but i do remember he had an appendicitis missed game 3 and was back game 4. todays goalie would be out for the series! Im pretty sure nobody was calling for Roy to be traded in 93 especially coming off a vezina! add to that 2 stanley cup rings 2 conn smyths 4 jennings 3 vezinas and to finalists all accolades won beteween '86 and '93 Nobody is blaming Price for anything. But he should not be free from criticism and should 100% be held accountability for his play like any other player on this team. Even Carey Price would not be happy with the start he's had to the season thus far. Should we be concerned? he was bad to end the season in 2017 the worst starting goalie in the league in 2018 bad in oct and nov of last season, only turning his season around in December 2019. this season start hasnt exactly been in the upper class of starting goalies after 10 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: This is clearly false. Completely bogus!! Fans of the Montreal Canadiens DID NOT WANT Roy traded. That is 100% fact! Maybe Quebecer's deep in the province who were actual Nordique fans? I recall in 93 after going down 2-0 PRO nordique french papers chirping Roy saying he was done and Hextall was beating him. That he should be traded etc and we all know how that turned out. Remember not all francophone papers were pro Habs back then. We had a serious enemy in Quebec! But to say hab fans wanted him traded is clear falsehoods in order to drive a point across about Price. Roy wasnt consistent? are you kidding me? Between '86-93 86 stanley cup champ 87 conference finals loss to philly 88 2nd RD loss to Boston 89 stanley cup finals 90 2nd rd loss to BOS 91 2nd rd loss to BOS 92 2nd rd loss to BOS 93 Stanley cup Champ that is 18 playoff rounds WON in 8 years. You'd be very hard pressed to find a goalie that can match that kind of consistency and just to throw in that in 94 he lost in the 1st round to Boston in 7 but i do remember he had an appendicitis missed game 3 and was back game 4. todays goalie would be out for the series! Im pretty sure nobody was calling for Roy to be traded in 93 especially coming off a vezina! add to that 2 stanley cup rings 2 conn smyths 4 jennings 3 vezinas and to finalists all accolades won beteween '86 and '93 Nobody is blaming Price for anything. But he should not be free from criticism and should 100% be held accountability for his play like any other player on this team. Even Carey Price would not be happy with the start he's had to the season thus far. Should we be concerned? he was bad to end the season in 2017 the worst starting goalie in the league in 2018 bad in oct and nov of last season, only turning his season around in December 2019. this season start hasnt exactly been in the upper class of starting goalies after 10 games 2 things 1) Yes there were calls for Roy to be traded during the 1993 regular season when he was sub-par. I was alive, I was a huge Roy fan, and I remember them. 2) How was Price the worst starting goalie in the league in 2017-18? Scott Darling played 44 games with an 888 save percentage. Craig Anderson played 58 games with an 898 Price had a bad season (behind a horrid defence), but they were worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 First of all, I am a huge Roy fan. And I remember defending him against numerous people who thought he was overrated right up until 1993. Roy was also considered middling by some fans (not me) during the 89 run, and got out-goaltended by Moog for three straight playoffs prior to '93. I recall at least one of those playoffs being pretty crap by him, in fact. Folks may think Roy was above criticism in his years here. He was not, and much of the criticism was similar to what's been lobbed at Price over the years. In the future, people will likely reminisce about Price as this impeccable legend and forget that he had fans sniping and grumbling about him throughout the 15 years when he was the best player in the organization and a top-5 goalie in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I definitely remember calls for Hayward to get the starting job and roy traded in the late 80s. Vachon is better tha dryden was a thing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Roy is the greatest goalie of all time though. Price will be a footnote in history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Not gonna sit here and defend Roy... but, actual hab fans were not calling for his trading. Maybe nordique leaning francophone media but actual fans of montreal. I call bullshit and would love to hear of 1 hab fan who wanted Roy traded! An actual habs fan though! I was in my prime then and remember the early 90's like it was yesterday. Also his sub par 93 season (his actual worse) still landed him 6th in vezina voting Also just to note darling was not the starter and split with Ward. Maybe I should of said goalies playing 60 more games. His 89 run was one of his better playoffs actually and The habs were pretty stingy that playoff run if I do recall. And yes he lost to moog in 3 straight after 89 but he didnt play bad and was not the reason we were bounced in the 2nd round. BOSTON was better at that given moment. I'd attribute it more to dealing with the loss of Gainey and Robinson (which was huge). Then losing Naslund, Smith C.Lemieux and Green the following year. That was not easy to cope with. Dont quote me on all of them but I'm positive we lost Bob and Larry after the loss to calgary and naslund and Bobby the following year as I was heart broken losing alot of my favs in short order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: I definitely remember calls for Hayward to get the starting job and roy traded in the late 80s. Vachon is better tha dryden was a thing too. Ya from closet Quebec nordique fans wanting the pain to stop!!! Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Not gonna sit here and defend Roy... but, actual hab fans were not calling for his trading. Maybe nordique leaning francophone media but actual fans of montreal. I call bullshit and would love to hear of 1 hab fan who wanted Roy traded! An actual habs fan though! I was in my prime then and remember the early 90's like it was yesterday. Also his sub par 93 season (his actual worse) still landed him 6th in vezina voting Also just to note darling was not the starter and split with Ward. Maybe I should of said goalies playing 60 more games. His 89 run was one of his better playoffs actually and The habs were pretty stingy that playoff run if I do recall. And yes he lost to moog in 3 straight after 89 but he didnt play bad and was not the reason we were bounced in the 2nd round. BOSTON was better at that given moment. I'd attribute it more to dealing with the loss of Gainey and Robinson (which was huge). Then losing Naslund, Smith C.Lemieux and Green the following year. That was not easy to cope with. Dont quote me on all of them but I'm positive we lost Bob and Larry after the loss to calgary and naslund and Bobby the following year as I was heart broken losing alot of my favs in short order. There are like 12 goalies in the league who played more than 60 games last year if your cut off is 60 games... nearly 2/3 of the league lacks a number 1. Darling was the canes #1 that year and Anderson was the Sens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I shouldn't say price will be a footnote but there have been many strong goalies over the years. Price needs to string together some dominant years to qualify in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 54 minutes ago, Commandant said: There are like 12 goalies in the league who played more than 60 games last year if your cut off is 60 games... nearly 2/3 of the league lacks a number 1. Darling was the canes #1 that year and Anderson was the Sens. LoL this is hilarious If you wanna get technical then only 9 goalies started more then 60 games and only 12 played in more then 60 games. Price did not fall in either of those categories! He started 47 and played in 48 And how do you come to the conclusion that darling was the #1 starter for the Canes Ward 42 starts 23W 14L Darling 40 starts 13W 21L The point is Price was trash in 2018 and he was in a dog fight for worst #1G in the league with Anderson plain and simple. And his bad play started at the end of 2017, throughout 2018 and continued through the first +2 months of last season. Theres nothing wrong with questioning his "sub par" play to start the season. I'm not calling for his trading. I'm saying hes not immune to criticism and its not all on the D is all. And that's completly fair #1 47 starts 16W 26L .900 3.11GAA 34% win percentage #2 55 starts 23W 25L .898 3.32GAA 42% win percentage 7 more starts 7 more wins .002 less save % I'd take #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 5 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: LoL this is hilarious If you wanna get technical then only 9 goalies started more then 60 games and only 12 played in more then 60 games. Price did not fall in either of those categories! He started 47 and played in 48 And how do you come to the conclusion that darling was the #1 starter for the Canes Ward 42 starts 23W 14L Darling 40 starts 13W 21L The point is Price was trash in 2018 and he was in a dog fight for worst #1G in the league with Anderson plain and simple. And his bad play started at the end of 2017, throughout 2018 and continued through the first +2 months of last season. Theres nothing wrong with questioning his "sub par" play to start the season. I'm not calling for his trading. I'm saying hes not immune to criticism and its not all on the D is all. And that's completly fair #1 47 starts 16W 26L .900 3.11GAA 34% win percentage #2 55 starts 23W 25L .898 3.32GAA 42% win percentage 7 more starts 7 more wins .002 less save % I'd take #2 Cool! Math #MeLikeMath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 10 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Not gonna sit here and defend Roy... but, actual hab fans were not calling for his trading. Maybe nordique leaning francophone media but actual fans of montreal. I call bullshit and would love to hear of 1 hab fan who wanted Roy traded! An actual habs fan though! I was in my prime then and remember the early 90's like it was yesterday. Also his sub par 93 season (his actual worse) still landed him 6th in vezina voting Also just to note darling was not the starter and split with Ward. Maybe I should of said goalies playing 60 more games. His 89 run was one of his better playoffs actually and The habs were pretty stingy that playoff run if I do recall. And yes he lost to moog in 3 straight after 89 but he didnt play bad and was not the reason we were bounced in the 2nd round. BOSTON was better at that given moment. I'd attribute it more to dealing with the loss of Gainey and Robinson (which was huge). Then losing Naslund, Smith C.Lemieux and Green the following year. That was not easy to cope with. Dont quote me on all of them but I'm positive we lost Bob and Larry after the loss to calgary and naslund and Bobby the following year as I was heart broken losing alot of my favs in short order. I didn’t want Roy traded, but when I heard the The nordique rumours and than later Avs, I foghired we’d at least get Sakic or Forsberg back - which I was fine with. But the crap trade Houle made. I think that is right up there with the curse of the Bambino! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Wins are a team stat. Goalies don't win and lose games, teams do. Save percentage is far more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 This thread makes me long for arguments over downvotes 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: This thread makes me long for arguments over downvotes Could you imagine the sea of red you would of been seeing right now if the downvotes were still here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Commandant said: Wins are a team stat. Goalies don't win and lose games, teams do. Save percentage is far more important. You keep telling yourself that.... Cause last I checked wins and loses was a goalie stat as well! The reality is 5 goals on 15 shots loses the game and 33 of 34 saves (like last night) wins it. Anderson had a better season regardless of spin on having a 0.002 difference in save % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 5 goals on 15 shots wins the game if your teammates score 6. 1 goal against on 35 shots loses it if your teammates don't score. Weve all seen both happen. Teams win or lose. Not individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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