sbhatt Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: You don't have to sell me. But the MB era has not exactly been marked with these sorts of joyful decisions about popular and flashy players. Subban was traded, Radulov allowed to walk, Markov cut loose. We can probably expect the same fate for Kovy II, especially if management concludes that a playoff charge is unrealistic. Even if they don't, I wouldn't be surprised at all if MB decides he doesn't like Kovalchuky's contract demands and lets him walk on July 1. Joylessness, thy name is Habs. How about we keep Kovalchuk, and fire Bergevin instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chris said: The Habs do not have enough prospects and young talent, They are in a rebuild, It's the owners and MB directive Also, Tatar, Petry, and Thompson should be shopped as well Glad they held on but team like this don't make the playoffs, The directive was a "reset" or "retool," not a "rebuild." Just saying. I tend to agree that we don't have enough prospects and young talent to be a truly elite contender in 3-4 years, but it's doubtful that trading Kovy II will get you back a player who would tilt the equation decisively. I do get the idea of "accumulate all the picks you can and hope some hit," though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 firing MB, the scouting department and CJ doesn't change the fact they need a rebuild with young better prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, sbhatt said: How about we keep Kovalchuk, and fire Bergevin instead? If Bergevin improves this team in the off season I have no problem with Bergevin being GM. If he stands pat and does nothing again, IE.....blames injuries again then its time for a change at GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Chris said: firing MB, the scouting department and CJ doesn't change the fact they need a rebuild with young better prospects The last 2 years they have done a great job rebuilding the prospects. Which is my point they should be upgrading the team now. Our reset should be over, other wise this is a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Call it whatever you want, You have a coach that missed the playoffs 6 out 7 years, assuming they miss this year You have a GM on year 8 of a 5 year plan who has been told to retool or whatever and can't build a winning roster The league is built for mediocre teams to stay around playoff contention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Chris said: The Habs do not have enough prospects and young talent, They are in a rebuild, It's the owners and MB directive Also, Tatar, Petry, and Thompson should be shopped as well Glad they held on but team like this don't make the playoffs, See St-Louis Blues circa 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Ill take that bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Even if they trade him, I hope they'd go back for him on July 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chris said: firing MB, the scouting department and CJ doesn't change the fact they need a rebuild with young better prospects Yeah, it would be a shame if pretty much every media outlet who looks at hockey prospects thinks the Habs have a top 5 pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Doesn't mean they dont need to acquire more, They are no guarantees with prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I think the time for Montreal to go for it is next year. If we can resign Kovy and and a top LD this could be a really good team. We would have 3 really good lines Tatar/Danault/Kovy Drouin/Domi/Gallagher Suzuki/Kotkaniemi/Armia I would look at trading Byron And Lehkonen maybe as a package to see what we could get. But if we fix our Dcore this team could be good next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 You still need players to play defense, you need players that can win battles, play physical, crash the net and defend the front of the net, those are the same forwards they have had the past 2 years, no playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chris said: You still need players to play defense, you need players that can win battles, play physical, crash the net and defend the front of the net, those are the same forwards they have had the past 2 years, no playoffs That's what I said if we can upgrade our dcore and resign kovy this can be a really good team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Those forwards are part of the defensive problem, see the last 2 minutes of tonights game, they fall apart and lose battles all the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chris said: Those forwards are part of the defensive problem, see the last 2 minutes of tonights game, they fall apart and lose battles all the time Thats because some of these guys are still kids who should be developing in the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 It was the vets that were on the ice the last 2 minutes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said: I think the time for Montreal to go for it is next year. If we can resign Kovy and and a top LD this could be a really good team. We would have 3 really good lines Tatar/Danault/Kovy Drouin/Domi/Gallagher Suzuki/Kotkaniemi/Armia I would look at trading Byron And Lehkonen maybe as a package to see what we could get. But if we fix our Dcore this team could be good next year. MB takes forever to fix anything. This team is not going to "go for" anything except a playoff spot next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Habsfan89 said: I think the time for Montreal to go for it is next year. If we can resign Kovy and and a top LD this could be a really good team. We would have 3 really good lines Tatar/Danault/Kovy Drouin/Domi/Gallagher Suzuki/Kotkaniemi/Armia I would look at trading Byron And Lehkonen maybe as a package to see what we could get. But if we fix our Dcore this team could be good next year. Lehkonen is too good to trade imo. His point production is such a small part of his game. His contracts will never be huge because of he doesnt put up numbers but his play away from the puck is almost perfect. His trade value would likely not match his value to the team as a 3rd liner. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Lehkonen is too good to trade imo. His point production is such a small part of his game. His contracts will never be huge because of he doesnt put up numbers but his play away from the puck is almost perfect. His trade value would likely not match his value to the team as a 3rd liner. Coach's darling. If Lehkonen gets traded Claude might quit and try to follow him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Kulak's goal was changed to Armia, so Joel ties his career high of 13 goals set last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 hours ago, BCHabnut said: Lehkonen is too good to trade imo. His point production is such a small part of his game. His contracts will never be huge because of he doesnt put up numbers but his play away from the puck is almost perfect. His trade value would likely not match his value to the team as a 3rd liner. Agreed 100% One of the most underrated players in the whole league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Trizzak said: Coach's darling. If Lehkonen gets traded Claude might quit and try to follow him. I’ve changed my view on Lehkonen this year. He is just two awesome at relentless pursuit of the puck and can produce every now and then A perfect 4th liner on a cup contender. Young enough to be that player for the Habs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 With 11 goals already. Hes more than a fourth liner. Hes a perfect third liner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, Commandant said: With 11 goals already. Hes more than a fourth liner. Hes a perfect third liner Indeed. That said, whenever he gets a scoring chance, I automatically assume it's not going in, and this is a safe assumption. Lehks is thus a frustrating guy on a team with an eviscerated top-6, because he's not one of those tweeners who can move up and down the lineup and produce - he's an old-school checking forward. Nothing wrong with that at all. In the 1980s he'd have been a prospective Selke candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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