Habsfan89 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Wow guess they couldn't trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Nice. Is this foreplay for something a little more exciting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I am glad they gave him a chance to play some where else good news for the Habs, the D is deep enough that we do not need NHL veterans taking a spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revvvrob Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Guess I’m unclear - I thought with him in the AHL, tho he still gets paid, that none of his salary affected the cap number. Now, some of his salary DOES affect the cap space. glad for Karl tho - he has a shot at playing SOMEWHERE now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 VERY disappointed ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, GHT120 said: VERY disappointed ... Yeah thought they would wait a year our at least try and trade him to a team who needs to get to the floor cap. But it's not like it's my money they're using lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, revvvrob said: Guess I’m unclear - I thought with him in the AHL, tho he still gets paid, that none of his salary affected the cap number. Now, some of his salary DOES affect the cap space. glad for Karl tho - he has a shot at playing SOMEWHERE now. In the AHL about $1.5M of Alzner's salary disappeared from the cap ... but not all of it .. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: Wow guess they couldn't trade him. Was there a trade possibility? Potentially but the cost (pick/player/prospect) evidently was too high for Bergevin's liking. 16 minutes ago, GHT120 said: In the AHL about $1.5M of Alzner's salary disappeared from the cap ... but not all of it .. . It varies by year. The rule is $375,000 plus whatever the league minimum salary is that season. The Habs would have saved $1.075M by sending Alzner to Laval this year while they save only $666,667 this year via the buyout But, they save more on next year's cap by doing it now instead of next year (thanks to the contract variation) and free up the contract slot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 By buying him out this year instead of next year the Habs lose cap space this season, gain cap space next season, gain cap space the season after, and lose cap space the season after. So from a flat cap perspective, buying him out now does make sense as the cap should start to go back up by the time they lose space again. I did still have hopes of convincing another team to take him for the final year of his contract at the cost of a 2nd round pick though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Trizzak said: So from a flat cap perspective, buying him out now does make sense as the cap should start to go back up by the time they lose space again. I did still have hopes of convincing another team to take him for the final year of his contract at the cost of a 2nd round pick though. The flat cap giveth and the flat cap taketh away, so sayeth the Bettman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 Looking at the end result it clears up more cap space in 2 years when we need to resign everyone. So I know i don't say this much but good move Bergevin 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Habsfan89 said: Looking at the end result it clears up more cap space in 2 years when we need to resign everyone. So I know i don't say this much but good move Bergevin 👍 I should save this post! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 45 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I should save this post! 😂 Consider it an early Christmas gift lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Since they only save $667K this season the Habs would have been slightly better off cap-wise for 20/21 if Karl was buried Karl in the AHL again ... I wonder what the 21/22 cost/savings would have been if Alzner was buried for 20/21 and the final year (21/22) of his deal bought out next summer ... could it have given them even more cap relief ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 There’s also something to be said about a GM doing what’s in the best interest of the player, and Alzner wanted to be bought out. when other players see that MB respects his players, perhaps it makes Mtl look like a more appealing place to play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Meller93 said: There’s also something to be said about a GM doing what’s in the best interest of the player, and Alzner wanted to be bought out. when other players see that MB respects his players, perhaps it makes Mtl look like a more appealing place to play Good point, and MB did the same with Kovalchuk too sending him to the Caps - which was where Ilya wanted to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: Since they only save $667K this season the Habs would have been slightly better off cap-wise for 20/21 if Karl was buried Karl in the AHL again ... I wonder what the 21/22 cost/savings would have been if Alzner was buried for 20/21 and the final year (21/22) of his deal bought out next summer ... could it have given them even more cap relief ? The buyout cost for 2021-22 would have been higher had they bought him out next summer. This article is from the summer but it had the various scenarios and costs: https://www.habsworld.net/2020/06/when-is-the-right-time-for-the-habs-to-buy-out-karl-alzner/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 46 minutes ago, dlbalr said: The buyout cost for 2021-22 would have been higher had they bought him out next summer. This article is from the summer but it had the various scenarios and costs: https://www.habsworld.net/2020/06/when-is-the-right-time-for-the-habs-to-buy-out-karl-alzner/ Thx ... then it makes more sense to do it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Alzner cleared waivers at noon and the buyout is now official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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