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Ok and how many cups have those team's won with those players 🤔.   This team can run 4 lines now, has added depth in case of injuries. Which means this team shouldn't do it's yearly nose div

It is wildly premature to slot Suzuki in as a PPG or elite offensive player. He may become that - maybe this year, maybe some future year. But no sensible analyst would say, “yes, the Habs have an eli

I think all this team needs is a veteran 4th line center to round everything out.

1 hour ago, GHT120 said:

Brian Boyle?

 

I was half expecting that one for a while but I don't think the Habs are in a spot where they should be committing another contract unless they can clear one somewhere first.  They're at 48 and if Caufield signs after his college season as some expect him to do, that's one of those last two slots filled already.  With that in mind, should they use their last 'available' slot for a 4C rotation guy?

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6 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:

I think all this team needs is a veteran 4th line center to round everything out.

 

Evans, paired with Lehkonen and Perry, should do just fine.

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10 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:

I wouldn't mind bring back Thompson.

Lehkonen  / Thompson  / Perry would make a great 4th line 


ugh, no thx.

let’s not rehash no-offense-old-guys.  With frolik and Perry already we don’t need another veteran 13th forward. This team needs offense not “face off specialists”.

 

Is this the Same forum that makes fun of leafs for having Spezza, Thornton and Simmonds?  Habs are getting close to that with Frolik and Perry. Let’s shut the door on reclaim projects.
 

 

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17 hours ago, DON said:

I also think Weber needs a better partner, need a better PP, need a better PK and could really use a scorer in the top 20.

 

Well, maybe that doesn't count for anything, but Gallagher was 14th in the league for even-strength goals per game. Tied with Panarin, McDavid and Kane, and ahead of Eichel and MacKinnon.

 

Power play, yes, that's where we need improvement. The new pieces (Anderson, Toffoli, Perry) may help, but it's also up to the coaches to use the players better.

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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:

 

Well, maybe that doesn't count for anything, but Gallagher was 14th in the league for even-strength goals per game. Tied with Panarin, McDavid and Kane, and ahead of Eichel and MacKinnon.

 

Power play, yes, that's where we need improvement. The new pieces (Anderson, Toffoli, Perry) may help, but it's also up to the coaches to use the players better.

 

Gally is a tremendous hockey player, but any time you get into that sort of fine-grained distinction - he’s 14th in even strength scoring, ergo he is up there with Panarin - it’s special pleading. The reason nobody thinks of Gallagher as one of the league’s absolute elite offensive forwards is that he’s not one of the league’s absolute offensive forwards. I’ll grant you that his impact on games might, in toto, be the equal of what most of the league’s offensive stars bring. But in terms of pure offence, he is not in the same league as those other guys.

 

Perry is unlike to help on the PP, and if he does spend time there, something has surely gone wrong with the plan for 2021.

 

Toffoli might be a useful PP contributor here and there, but I think Anderson above all is the key acquisition meant to help fix this problem. He is here in part to be a big body who can dominate in the slot and score on the PP. I’d look for him to be given every chance to succeed in that role.

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I'm absolutely not suggesting that Gallagher is the 14th-best forward in the league. But I am saying that I don't think the situation is as black-and-white as DON makes it look like.

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2 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

I'm absolutely not suggesting that Gallagher is the 14th-best forward in the league. But I am saying that I don't think the situation is as black-and-white as DON makes it look like.

 

All DON said was that the team lacks elite offensive talent. He is completely correct.

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6 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

All DON said was that the team lacks elite offensive talent. He is completely correct.

 

Specifically, he said we need a top-20 scorer. Gallagher is not so far from top 20 (on a per-game basis) even if you don't limit it to even strength -- maybe a gap of three goals. With a better power play it's quite conceivable that he could be top 20.

 

And we are not getting any more elite players in our current cap situation anyway, offensive or otherwise.

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11 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

 

Specifically, he said we need a top-20 scorer. Gallagher is not so far from top 20 (on a per-game basis) even if you don't limit it to even strength -- maybe a gap of three goals. With a better power play it's quite conceivable that he could be top 20.

 

And we are not getting any more elite players in our current cap situation anyway, offensive or otherwise.

 

I believe DON was offering an assessment of how the Habs’ roster stacks up in light of the Perry signing. His comment that we lack elite offensive talent is accurate and could well prove to limit any Cup pretensions we may have. Most of the other Canadian division teams have at least one elite offensive FW; we don’t. So it’s fair comment.

 

I agree that we are unlikely to fill that hole any time soon. Maybe Caulfield can grow into the role, but by that time many things will probably be different.

 

It’s OK. I like the depth on our roster, especially on the right side, and believe we can do some serious damage. Exactly how far this roster can go remains to be determined.

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7 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

Exactly how far this roster can go remains to be determined.

 

Yes. But I am very much looking forwarding to finding out!

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4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

I believe DON was offering an assessment of how the Habs’ roster stacks up in light of the Perry signing. His comment that we lack elite offensive talent is accurate and could well prove to limit any Cup pretensions we may have. Most of the other Canadian division teams have at least one elite offensive FW; we don’t. So it’s fair comment.

 

I agree that we are unlikely to fill that hole any time soon. Maybe Caulfield can grow into the role, but by that time many things will probably be different.

 

It’s OK. I like the depth on our roster, especially on the right side, and believe we can do some serious damage. Exactly how far this roster can go remains to be determined.

It’s not accurate when we have Nick Suzuki, and Jonathan Drouin.

 

Those are the exact type of players Don is referring to, they just haven’t reached their prime yet. Granted, they are no McDavid, but they could be a Mitch Marner. 
 

We already know the fan perception on Drouin. I already know people wouldn’t include him in this list. You guys are trying to twist and turn a formula with defense mechanisms ready to rebuttle everything, though. What I am saying is that Drouin and Suzuki have the raw talent potential to be top 20 scorers in the league. 
 

It only takes one season for it to happen, and it’s not something based on mythical delusions of grandeur. Drouin is more unlikely to score 80 points, though he is capable. Suzuki will score 70-80, at least, and if a fan wants to be pessimistic (or what they’ll say is realistic), that’s fine. It just takes a little bit of scouting to see that it will happen. 
 

On a completely irrelevant note, my statement about Suzuki is coming from a rare person who didn’t like the Pacioretty trade at the time. I still don’t even exactly love it but will once Suzuki fully develops. 
 

What I am saying about Suzuki is the same as Caulfield. Many will say he’s unproven whereas I am sure he is a (relative) star in the making, and have felt that way for over a year. 
 

Of course there is absolutely the chance of anyone being a bust. With that being said, this doesn’t change the fact that I know Caufield will be a star, and it doesn’t change the fact that Suzuki will be a ppg player (or close to it) in this league. How many seasons will he do it? That’s up for debate.


As for Gallagher, his career trajectory was on a very similar path to Marchand, points wise. The main difference has come in the past year or two, where Marchand started hitting 80 points, whereas Gallagher would have been on pace for 60. Gallagher will indeed have better seasons ahead though, so we’ll see how high he can take it. 
 

All this is to say, anyone can look at our team and feel as though a sniper would help, and it sure would. I am not sure how realistic it is to be able to acquire those young snipers, though I guess Hoffman would have been nice (then you’d have those citing his past issues). With that being said, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Hab or two with 70+ points this year. We have 56 games this year, so that would account to about 47 points this year. Time will tell. 

 

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5 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

 

Specifically, he said we need a top-20 scorer. Gallagher is not so far from top 20 (on a per-game basis) even if you don't limit it to even strength -- maybe a gap of three goals. With a better power play it's quite conceivable that he could be top 20.

 

And we are not getting any more elite players in our current cap situation anyway, offensive or otherwise.

Habs top scorer last 3 years; 35th, 47th, 95th in scoring race.

Didnt say they are getting that 'elite' forward, or top pairing d-man; but obviously still need them.

 

Dom Luszczyszyn

"Montreal is projected to finish this year with just over 66 points, a 97-point pace which would represent a hefty improvement over last year. That might still be hard to imagine given the Canadiens finished 24th last season and still lack a true elite game-breaker, but the depth here is among the league’s strongest."

This is interesting way to look at this: From The Athletic NHL Staff "How we'd run the Canadiens"

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8 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

It’s not accurate when we have Nick Suzuki, and Jonathan Drouin ...

 

The habs MAY have elite offensive talent in those two, maybe even another in KK ... but until they actually prove to be elite the Habs do not have elite offensive talent for this coming season

 

NOTE: It can also be a matter of semantics if one person's definition of elite is broader or more restrictive than someone else

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Just now, GHT120 said:

 

The habs MAY have elite offensive talent in those two, maybe even another in KK ... but until they actually prove to be elite the Habs do not have elite offensive talent for this coming season

 

Well, exactly.

 

That comment about Gallagher being on a “Marchand trajectory” UNTIL THE LAST COUPLE OF SEASONS (lol!) exposes the entire fallacy of confusing hypothetical projection with reality. Gallagher has not become Marchand because, frankly, he is not as good offensively as Marchand and never will be. The end. 

 

You’re elite when you produce like an elite player. Not before.

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8 minutes ago, DON said:

Habs top scorer last 3 years; 35th, 47th, 95th in scoring race.

Didnt say they are getting that 'elite' forward, or top pairing d-man; but obviously still need them.

 

Dom Luszczyszyn

"Montreal is projected to finish this year with just over 66 points, a 97-point pace which would represent a hefty improvement over last year. That might still be hard to imagine given the Canadiens finished 24th last season and still lack a true elite game-breaker, but the depth here is among the league’s strongest."

This is interesting way to look at this: From The Athletic NHL Staff "How we'd run the Canadiens"

Screen-Shot-2020-12-02-at-11.31.41-AM.pn

 

Interesting list ... and somewhat dependent on each individual's definition of elite

 

But I have some doubts with a list that says an elite 1D is not a number one D ... and EVERY team has a Top Line Centre and Top Line LW, but not all are legit Top Line players ... IMO Danault is not a legit Top Line Centre and Tartar is a marginal legit Top Line LW

 

 

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2 hours ago, hockeyrealist said:

... This team needs offense not “face off specialists” ... 

 

If the Habs are looking to the 4th line for offence IMO there is a deeper problem

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We don’t have an Auston Matthews or McDavid right now. I can’t argue against that. But if that’s the only level to the argument, then what purpose does it serve? Edmonton and Toronto don’t have a Shea Weber, or Carey Price. 
 

Essentially, there is bound to be a break through by one of our forwards this year. I’m not one to say that on a yearly basis, I just see it clear as day for this upcoming season. My money is on Suzuki, but it could be Drouin (even though I tend to agree with the nay sayers, in general, with Drouin). Even Auston Matthews had 60 points in his first season after a 4 goal 1st game.
 

The point with Suzuki is that you can see it. It doesn’t matter if it hasn’t happened yet to a certain extent because one can know that it will.  Again, I don’t say that about just anyone. Never said it about Kostitsyn. Never said it about Galchenyuk. 
 

In general, it will be tough to gauge things this season since there are only 56 games. Any sample can be deemed smaller than usual, and any injury can end any talks about how a player will do. 

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3 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

But I have some doubts with a list that says an elite 1D is not a number one D ... and EVERY team has a Top Line Centre and Top Line LW, but not all are legit Top Line players ... IMO Danault is not a legit Top Line Centre and Tartar is a marginal legit Top Line LW

So you think are even more holes than shown, which seems fair to say.

But,

61pt for Tatar was 35th in scoring.

And Danault is pretty good player, but just not gonna put up 70+ pts.

 

On 4th line i would much prefer to always see Byron and Armia over a Perry; but like Frolik, is no risk signing so fine by me.

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I was thinking and curious now, with all the dept we have now and agreed a pond by many  including hockey experts such as TSN, NHL and so on.. With Perry being such a great signing at a great value, is there a very good chance we’ll loose him on waivers? Regardless if he starts with the Team and enters the taxi squad at some point or vice versa on taxi first , he’s going through waivers. Would hate to loose him! 

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26 minutes ago, habs#4,9,10,33 said:

I was thinking and curious now, with all the dept we have now and agreed a pond by many  including hockey experts such as TSN, NHL and so on.. With Perry being such a great signing at a great value, is there a very good chance we’ll loose him on waivers? Regardless if he starts with the Team and enters the taxi squad at some point or vice versa on taxi first , he’s going through waivers. Would hate to loose him! 

Won't lose him if he is on the roster as the 12/13th forward ... moving Weal or Byron (even Lehkonen) to the taxi squad saves $325K more in cap space than moving either Perry or Frolik ... trading/losing Weal ( :) ) or Byron ( :unsure: ) on waivers would be ideal from a cap perspective

 

Only a couple of days to wait and see how MB manages the cap ... he needs to "cut" $1.11631 million in order to be allowed to play Wednesday night

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I think a 22 man roster with a taxi squad that includes Weal and Frolik is only ~$41 000 over the cap. If they juggle some waiver exempt guys onto the taxi squad like Romanov and Evans (or even Suzuki and Kotkaniemi) they'll accrue that $41 000 in cap space required in a week or two maybe?

 

So I don't think Perry will be exposed to waivers. 

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I think it is more likely that Paul Byron goes on waivers to the taxi squad simply because his contract makes it very unlikely that he will be claimed. If the Canadiens put Perry on waivers at 750K it is highly likely he will be claimed. 

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