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I'm with Rooster on this one. Dags is a natural goal scorer, though I'd rank him behind Perezoghin in my own personal hierachy. There's a reason Julien keeps throwing him into shootouts. Of course, Dagenais also lacks any other discernable hockey skill.

Funny team we have. We have guys like Bulis who can do anything BUT finish, and Dagenais who can't do anything BUT finish.

*Sigh* I miss Kovalev.

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From a story on last night's game:

Montreal coach Claude Julien wasn't surprised Dagenais came through despite languishing on the bench for much of the game.

"Pierre Dagenais is a natural at that," Julien said. "He has a shot that goalies fear."

So, he has a fearsome shot, and a sense of humour:

When told he made history for scoring the first shootout goal in Montreal, Dagenais replied. "I made history? (Because) I played three shifts and got a star?"

:lol:

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Originally posted by JimmyBeans

Where do u people get your information about DAgs having a great shot. His shot is average at best.

He made the NHL, and we know it wasn't due to his skating, playmaking, defensive skills, etc., etc.

Dagenais has a great shot, that's why.

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Yeah, I agree with Mont Royale. During the pre-season when shootouts occured regardless of the score, Dags was used very often. He scored alot too. I figured they would keep him around for this reason only. Last night he proved his shootout worth. Now, Dags do us all a favour and start pounding. I don't mind if he's useless beyond these attributes of the occasional goal or shootout. If only he would use his size he would become a bigger threat. This might free up the puck more often at the opposing blueline. This attitude would result in more Ginos and Apples for Pierre.

GO HABS GO.

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DAgenais shoots

thats all he does

while we should strap 5 pound sand bags on his anckles for the rest of the year (practice and at home)

he can only shoot lets put him on the PP at least 20 sec and let him shoot it up.. he has the highest shots per min of the team he's bound to wake up Lets hope Last night did the trick! and mother luck also will shine back on him!

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OK Fine.....Then can i ask why Dags has'nt been used in more situations that would allow him to display his "Great Shot" and "Scoring Touch".

He's been used very little on the powerplay or any other situation, and in only one shootout so far. So what gives. If i had a player that could no doubt bury his chances and has the Abilities that Dagenais supposidly has around the net with the puck, i would most certainly make him a staple of my power play that has been struggling since the beginning of the season. Would'nt you??

Dagenais is nothing more than a Utility player that has his position because there are other players in the AHL that team management would rather see play a full season in the minors than ride the pine and stink up the press box on a consistent basis.

I cant wait for Dagenais to "Break Out" and start lighting that red lamp.:bow:

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What worries me about having Dags play the point on the PP is that this year there's more shorthanded rushes heading the other way than last season+ before. When Markov plays the point, I remembering him cutting out a quite a few of those by staying/skating with the oposition, picking the right moment, and making say, a poke check at the right time. Dags? There he is, skating back.........oh can't quite keep up.....oops, there's another holding penalty.

In the shootouts, at least the goalie can't take the rebound, skate the other way and score a goal (Dags would probably have problems preventing that from happening too), so we take away our boy's biggest deficiency (D) and we just may have ourselves a somewhat useful player and an occasional charity 3rd star.

I appreciate all the work he's done in the offseason and his seemingly good attitude, but the guy is just such a one-trick pony....The new rules are just the last nail in his coffin.

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Dagenais has played a total of 44:08 on the PP so far this year. Only Koivu, Kovalev, Zednik, Ribeiro and Ryder have played more among the forwards. So with regards to the PP, Dagenais is exactly where he should be - on the 2nd forward unit.

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Originally posted by option+

Dagenais has played a total of 44:08 on the PP so far this year.  Only Koivu, Kovalev, Zednik, Ribeiro and Ryder have played more among the forwards.  So with regards to the PP, Dagenais is exactly where he should be - on the 2nd forward unit.

And how many PP points to show for it? In the games I got to see this year (which is maybe about half) the problem for that 2nd PP unit has been mobility, the very thing Mr. 3rd Star lacks.....

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Oh, I'm not saying it's a perfect arrangement. But I'm not sure we have a better option on the PP at this point, especially with Kovalev hurt. I'd love to see the rooks play on the PP, but Julien evidently doesn't. Of the players Julien actually plays, Dagenais and Bégin seem the best options right now.

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Originally posted by option+

Oh, I'm not saying it's a perfect arrangement.  But I'm not sure we have a better option on the PP at this point, especially with Kovalev hurt.  I'd love to see the rooks play on the PP, but Julien evidently doesn't.  Of the players Julien actually plays, Dagenais and Bégin seem the best options right now.

True that. And by the way the lack of playing time for rookies is really much closer to the source of our problems (if you can say that with our record) than Dags in my book. Not only should they be playing, but also playing without fear that one or two mistakes will get them benched for a week.

Julien had most of them in Hamilton/Q, so he should have a good idea of how to push their buttons, but it's frustrating to see rookies around the league do great with the new offensive freedom, and our own just as talented kids playing negligeable minutes......

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hey how the hell does a guy play 6 minutes and be the 3rd star? i think hes a fill in guys he wont be here long.

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Originally posted by habs rule

hey how the hell does a guy play 6 minutes and be the 3rd star? i think hes a fill in guys he wont be here long.

a. It wasn't 6 minutes, it was 2:42!

b. I'm guessing the goal that he scored that won the game was what did it.

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thank you for the correction I must have picked that up from an earlier post. This guy can only play on the pp and I m not sure about that! there are more guys out there that cannot play in the nhl today. Yes stevey y is one of them. I also think trevor linden is done. no speed equals no job. It's a new league and there will be some guys who can't make it. dags is one.

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Originally posted by habs rule

thank you for the correction I must have picked that up from an earlier post.  This guy can only play on the pp and I m not sure about that!  there are more guys out there that cannot play in the nhl today. Yes stevey y is one of them. I also think trevor linden is done. no speed equals no job.  It's a new league and there will be some guys who can't make it. dags is one.

I don't think many people will disagree with that. What were saying (or at least what I'm saying), is that Dags is a one dimentional player that is not going to "light it up", be an all star or even be a regular.....but that his one dimention (a very good scoring touch) can help the team in specific situations while he is here.

Man, can't we state that the man is a good natural goal scorer without inferring that he is a good player?

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hmmm... after last night's game, maybe we should dress Dagenais every night, play him for two seconds, and save him in case we go to a shootout? This is pretty much the only use I can see for him.

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Originally posted by habs rule no speed equals no job.  It's a new league and there will be some guys who can't make it. dags is one.

It's true. We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto!

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True that. And by the way the lack of playing time for rookies is really much closer to the source of our problems (if you can say that with our record) than Dags in my book. Not only should they be playing, but also playing without fear that one or two mistakes will get them benched for a week.

Julien had most of them in Hamilton/Q, so he should have a good idea of how to push their buttons, but it's frustrating to see rookies around the league do great with the new offensive freedom, and our own just as talented kids playing negligeable minutes......

I couldn't agree more. We were much, much sharper with the kids in the lineup. We've become a slower team with Perez, Higgins and Plekanec playing reduced minutes - that's not a recipe for success in today's NHL.

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Agreed. I don't understand why all 3 forward rookies aren't given more exposure. I do feel the team has lost a bit of its edge since their ice time has been cut back.

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Originally posted by Mont Royale

Tsk, tsk, shortcat1 - recycling posts to get the thread count higher.  You're already in leading everyone, and there's nothing higher than the Hall of Fame, is there?

Anyway, I agree.  As I've said before on one of the numerous other "Dagenais must go" threads, for what he makes, for the ice time he gets, Dagenais is fine.  Better he then bringing someone with potential up to take his 2 minutes a game, which would slow their development.  (Don't forget we already have rookies getting little ice time).  Trading him wouldn't bring any value.  He's there if we need him, he'll pop one once in awhile, then fade to black for awhile.  Let's not overthink his role.

There's always the halls of everlasting glory sitting on the same bench as all the Canadiens greats and playing along side them and defeating, on a regular basis, the Flyers, the Devils and the Bruins. :king::king::king:

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Originally posted by JimmyBeans

Where do u people get your information about DAgs having a great shot. His shot is average at best. However if u base it on a few goals he has scored in his career than ya he might have a "Deadly Shot", However we could say that about any player. The hardest shot i've seen all year on the canadiens was Plekanec's first goal of the season. A one time blast past eddie belfour, that was on its way back out of the net before belfour realized there was even a shot taken. Does plekanec have the hardest shot or the best shot or an absolutely great shot that should be used in every situation possible?? No i dont think so. The same can be applied to Dagenais. In actual fact i think Dagenais is completely usesless and the only reason he is being held isto increase trade value, thats it. If u want to talk about a great shot, look at Ryder.

Jimmy, you're full of your last name.

Here's what tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/ has to say about him. Don't forget now that these evaluations are not biased for or against a player or a team.

It says that Dagenais "Has a pure goal-scorer's mentality and the hands to match. Possesses excellent offensive instincts, to go along with tremendous size and reach."

Need I say more?

:hlogo::ghg::hlogo:

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Originally posted by Mont Royale

Tsk, tsk, shortcat1 - recycling posts to get the thread count higher.  You're already in leading everyone, and there's nothing higher than the Hall of Fame, is there?

Anyway, I agree.  As I've said before on one of the numerous other "Dagenais must go" threads, for what he makes, for the ice time he gets, Dagenais is fine.  Better he then bringing someone with potential up to take his 2 minutes a game, which would slow their development.  (Don't forget we already have rookies getting little ice time).  Trading him wouldn't bring any value.  He's there if we need him, he'll pop one once in awhile, then fade to black for awhile.  Let's not overthink his role.

Mont Royale, I heartily disapprove of posts apparently complaining about people padding their number of posts, but in reality made in order to pad ones own total. Tsk, Tsk.

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EDIT: quoting this of course

"Originally posted by JimmyBeans

Where do u people get your information about DAgs having a great shot. His shot is average at best. However if u base it on a few goals he has scored in his career than ya he might have a "Deadly Shot", However we could say that about any player. The hardest shot i've seen all year on the canadiens was Plekanec's first goal of the season. A one time blast past eddie belfour, that was on its way back out of the net before belfour realized there was even a shot taken. Does plekanec have the hardest shot or the best shot or an absolutely great shot that should be used in every situation possible?? No i dont think so. The same can be applied to Dagenais. In actual fact i think Dagenais is completely usesless and the only reason he is being held isto increase trade value, thats it. If u want to talk about a great shot, look at Ryder. "

I actually don't think Ryder has that great a shot. He can definitely score Souray's (magnitude), Plekanec's (magnitude and accuracy) and Kovalev's (maginitude and accuracy) are out of Ryder's league. Then we have guys like Dagenais and Perezhogin who have accurate shots. I know this doesn't count for much but Ryder has been horrible on the shootout this year.

Ryder is a goal scorer but I'm not sure if his shot is the best part of his game.

Oh, and I can't forget Bulis's shot in terms of accuracy.:lol: Just kidding. I've always thought that if Theodore and Bulis combined into one player they'd be the best player in the World. In goal, Bulis gives Theo consistency and the ability to guide eevry shot into a post. As a forward, Theo gives Bulis a bit more scoring punch. I mean, just compare their shooting percentages.:P

[Edited on 2005/11/23 by Bulis_the_Habbie]

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For those that read French, nice article discussing Dags role with the habs including Julien discussing using him as a specialist in situations where his shooting abilities can be of help to the team.

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/192583.html

[Edited on 2005/11/23 by Rooster]

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Originally posted by shortcat1
Originally posted by Mont Royale

Tsk, tsk, shortcat1 - recycling posts to get the thread count higher.  You're already in leading everyone, and there's nothing higher than the Hall of Fame, is there?

Anyway, I agree.  As I've said before on one of the numerous other "Dagenais must go" threads, for what he makes, for the ice time he gets, Dagenais is fine.  Better he then bringing someone with potential up to take his 2 minutes a game, which would slow their development.  (Don't forget we already have rookies getting little ice time).  Trading him wouldn't bring any value.  He's there if we need him, he'll pop one once in awhile, then fade to black for awhile.  Let's not overthink his role.

There's always the halls of everlasting glory sitting on the same bench as all the Canadiens greats and playing along side them and defeating, on a regular basis, the Flyers, the Devils and the Bruins. :king::king::king:

hehehehehe The rumor here is when you hit 4000 posts your HabsWorld odometer reboots to zero. This is so the rest of us have a chance in our lifetimes to reach the number1 spot....:hlogo:

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