hab29RETIRED Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 3 hours ago, DON said: I think need an all-star forward more than another d-man, but doubt any big moves will happen anytime soon, barring a 8 gm losing streak. So dealing away a skilled forward doesnt seem like move to make at the moment. Thats all. We need an all-star top-line dman WAY more than a forward - unless it’s an elite centre like Eichal - which isn’t happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 4 hours ago, DON said: I think need an all-star forward more than another d-man, but doubt any big moves will happen anytime soon, barring a 8 gm losing streak. So dealing away a skilled forward doesnt seem like move to make at the moment ... 55 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: We need an all-star top-line dman WAY more than a forward - unless it’s an elite centre like Eichal - which isn’t happening. As both are likely to be as common as hen's teeth, especially between now and the trade deadline, I suspect MB would have to take whichever becomes available ... if either does, and a deal can be worked out ... in other news, I am buying LottoMax tickets tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 On 3/5/2021 at 5:15 PM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: As for the need to add a star FW, I think maybe we do have a star FW in Josh Anderson. Only for RW, I don't have Josh in my Top 25, let alone C and LW. Anderson is NOWHERE near a star FW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: Only for RW, I don't have Josh in my Top 25, let alone C and LW. Anderson is NOWHERE near a star FW. Well, all depends on your criteria. If it's based on points/game, both Anderson and Gallagher are around 30th in the league for RW so far this year. Toffoli is 12th for LW at 0.91/game, how is he in your rankings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Well, all depends on your criteria. If it's based on points/game, both Anderson and Gallagher are around 30th in the league for RW so far this year. Toffoli is 12th for LW at 0.91/game, how is he in your rankings? Anderson and Gally are good examples of guys whose impact on games is not fully captured in their points totals. And yes, if numbers are all that count, then Toffoli is a borderline superstar this season, LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Well, all depends on your criteria. If it's based on points/game, both Anderson and Gallagher are around 30th in the league for RW so far this year. Toffoli is 12th for LW at 0.91/game, how is he in your rankings? My criteria is roughly "Who would I pick on my team?" Maybe not in my top 25 for RW is a bit extreme though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Anderson and Gally are good examples of guys whose impact on games is not fully captured in their points totals. And yes, if numbers are all that count, then Toffoli is a borderline superstar this season, LOL Toffoli is more of a superstar than Anderson, that’s for sure. But that’s more an indication that Anderson is not a superstar than anything. Eric Cole was more of a “superstar” than Anderson is. Every superstar I can think of bring points to the table, unless they are a goaltender, or perhaps a bone crushing defenseman. I just don’t see it when it comes to Anderson. I think someone like Drouin has the potential to be a star, but he’s not one either as of yet. Gallagher could be argued as well, Habs fans are just overly used to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, JoeLassister said: My criteria is roughly "Who would I pick on my team?" Maybe not in my top 25 for RW is a bit extreme though. I agree that he’s not a top 25 right winger in the NHL. Here’s NHL.com’s list pre-season 1. Mikko Rantanen, RW, COL 2. David Pastrnak, RW, BOS (INJ.) 3. Patrick Kane, RW, CHI 4. Mitchell Marner, RW, TOR 5. Patrik Laine, LW/RW, WPG** 6. Steven Stamkos, LW/RW, TBL 7. Mark Stone, RW, VGK 8. Blake Wheeler, C/RW, WPG 9. Teuvo Teravainen, LW/RW, CAR 10. Tom Wilson, RW, WSH 11. William Nylander, LW/RW, TOR 12. Kevin Fiala, LW/RW, MIN** 13. Brock Boeser, RW, VAN 14. T.J. Oshie, RW, WSH 15. Elias Lindholm, C/RW, CGY 16. David Perron, LW/RW, STL 17. Alexander Radulov, LW/RW, DAL 18. Victor Olofsson, LW/RW, BUF19. Brendan Gallagher, RW, MTL 20. Bryan Rust, LW/RW, PIT 21. Timo Meier, LW/RW, SJS 22. Kailer Yamamoto, RW, EDM** 23. Oliver Bjorkstrand, LW/RW, CBJ 24. Cam Atkinson, RW, CBJ 25. Sam Reinhart, C/RW, BUF** 26. Travis Konecny, RW, PHI 27. Anthony Mantha, LW/RW, DET 28. Patric Hornqvist, RW, FLA 29. Reilly Smith, RW, VGK 30. Jakub Voracek, RW, PHI 31. Evgenii Dadonov, LW/RW, OTT32. Tyler Toffoli, LW/RW, MTL 33. Pavel Buchnevich, RW, NYR** 34. Kyle Palmieri, RW, NJD* 35. Kasperi Kapanen, LW/RW, PIT 36. Jesse Puljujarvi, RW, EDM 37. Brandon Saad, LW/RW, COL 38. Kaapo Kakko, RW, NYR 39. Anthony Duclair, LW/RW, FLA** 40. Josh Bailey, LW/RW, NYI 41. Joel Kiviranta, RW, DAL**42. Josh Anderson, RW, MTL 43. Martin Necas, C/RW, CAR44. Joel Armia, RW, MTL* 45. Jordan Eberle, RW, NYI 46. Craig Smith, RW, BOS 47. Dustin Brown, RW, LAK 48. Robert Thomas, C/RW, STL** 49. Andrew Mangiapane, LW/RW, CGY 50. Viktor Arvidsson, LW/RW, NSH Small note that Drouin is 48th on the left wing list, though there is a higher concentration of left wing talent in the NHL in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Toffoli is more of a superstar than Anderson, that’s for sure. But that’s more an indication that Anderson is not a superstar than anything. Eric Cole was more of a “superstar” than Anderson is. Every superstar I can think of bring points to the table, unless they are a goaltender, or perhaps a bone crushing defenseman. I just don’t see it when it comes to Anderson. I think someone like Drouin has the potential to be a star, but he’s not one either as of yet. "Superstar" is a strong word. I keep that for only the creme-de-la-creme. No Hab is close to that mark. We haven't had a real superstar outside of nets since Guy Lafleur. The limitation to Anderson's game is his vision and playmaking; the guy is basically a 30-goal-scoring guided missile driving the net. His point totals will never be super high for that reason, but I'm pretty sure other teams worry about him more than any other Habs forward (except possibly Gallagher). Like I say, his impact is way beyond his points totals, and if what we've seen so far is representative, he should be way higher on that list, right around where Gally is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: "Superstar" is a strong word. I keep that for only the creme-de-la-creme. No Hab is close to that mark. We haven't had a real superstar outside of nets since Guy Lafleur. The limitation to Anderson's game is his vision and playmaking; the guy is basically a 30-goal-scoring guided missile driving the net. His point totals will never be super high for that reason, but I'm pretty sure other teams worry about him more than any other Habs forward (except possibly Gallagher). Like I say, his impact is way beyond his points totals, and if what we've seen so far is representative, he should be way higher on that list, right around where Gally is. sometimes I wish Danault would also be considered a player “who’s impact is way beyond his points totals“ ... I guess that he was not in school the day they distributed the attribution/getting-credit certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: "Superstar" is a strong word. I keep that for only the creme-de-la-creme. No Hab is close to that mark. We haven't had a real superstar outside of nets since Guy Lafleur. The limitation to Anderson's game is his vision and playmaking; the guy is basically a 30-goal-scoring guided missile driving the net. His point totals will never be super high for that reason, but I'm pretty sure other teams worry about him more than any other Habs forward (except possibly Gallagher). Like I say, his impact is way beyond his points totals, and if what we've seen so far is representative, he should be way higher on that list, right around where Gally is. I don’t enjoy coming off as being hard on Habs players in particular, in that I want them to succeed. I hope for the best when it comes to Anderson. I would love for him to flourish as a Hab and continue to develop and be that intimidating factor for other teams, as you describe. Unfortunately, I just see injuries and lack of consistency as something that can be expected from Anderson. I will continue to smile and cheer every time he scores a key goal for the Habs, or lays a bruising hit on the opponent. I’ve just perceived that some people overrate his ability from my own viewpoint, and while I never complain about cap implications, thought his salary was higher than what a player of his caliber should be compensated. I suppose it is as a result of looking through this lense, that I have my guard up. If your viewpoint is closer to reality, then all things are rosey pink in Habs land, and I mean that in a good way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 IMO Anderson is one of those players that need a certain player to click with to go to the next level. Find the right passer and he is going to rock - you never know but that might be KK or it might be Danault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: IMO Anderson is one of those players that need a certain player to click with to go to the next level. Find the right passer and he is going to rock - you never know but that might be KK or it might be Danault He is on a 40-goal clip pro-rated over 82 games. I'm not sure how much of a "next level" there is beyond that. 40 goals is frigging amazing in my book. I'm surprised by the lukewarm view of him in this thread. Now, maybe he will cool off, or get chronically injured. But from what we've seen on the ice so far, he already rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: He is on a 40-goal clip pro-rated over 82 games. I'm not sure how much of a "next level" there is beyond that. 40 goals is frigging amazing in my book. I'm surprised by the lukewarm view of him in this thread. Now, maybe he will cool off, or get chronically injured. But from what we've seen on the ice so far, he already rocks. I was thinking that with the right line mates Anderson could be 100 point player. He needs a good passer and a smart follow up guy. He might gel with Danault and Gallagher - I wonder if he plays left? He might just as well rock with KK too who does both of those things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: "Superstar" is a strong word. I keep that for only the creme-de-la-creme. No Hab is close to that mark. We haven't had a real superstar outside of nets since Guy Lafleur. The limitation to Anderson's game is his vision and playmaking; the guy is basically a 30-goal-scoring guided missile driving the net. His point totals will never be super high for that reason, but I'm pretty sure other teams worry about him more than any other Habs forward (except possibly Gallagher). Like I say, his impact is way beyond his points totals, and if what we've seen so far is representative, he should be way higher on that list, right around where Gally is. Agreed. At this point I’d say the habs have zero superstars. Price’s play the last three years excluded him from what I’d consider a superstar. To me top 30 in your position is not a superstar. IMO, it’s more like top 3 to 8 depending on position. IMO there are definitely more than 5 superstar centres, not sure I think there are more than 5 true superstar goalies today. Not every team has a superstar - we don’t, but while some are lucky enough to have more than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 13 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: He is on a 40-goal clip pro-rated over 82 games. I'm not sure how much of a "next level" there is beyond that. 40 goals is frigging amazing in my book. I'm surprised by the lukewarm view of him in this thread. Now, maybe he will cool off, or get chronically injured. But from what we've seen on the ice so far, he already rocks. He’s on 40 goals pace, sure. But also a 12 assists pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 Anderson has not looked the same since coming back from injury. He isn’t skating as hard or hitting as hard. IdK if he isn’t 100% or if he is scared to injure himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Anderson has not looked the same since coming back from injury. He isn’t skating as hard or hitting as hard. IdK if he isn’t 100% or if he is scared to injure himself. I haven't watched last night's game yet, but on Saturday he looked great. Of course, so did almost everybody. But I specifically noticed how Anderson was flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 21 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: sometimes I wish Danault would also be considered a player “who’s impact is way beyond his points totals“ ... I guess that he was not in school the day they distributed the attribution/getting-credit certificate I think he is ... but it isn't enough to offset his being miscast as a 1C ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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