kaos Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I'm not comparing Cube to Yzerman, but I bet if Saks is gone for 2-3 months and the team rolls out 60% wins, people would start saying the same for him. ILet's show some player loyalty while they are on the team. Bouillon has done everything he could have been asked to do, he's a depth defensemen, an upper end of that calibre, but he is only at that calibre, so the team SHOULDN'T HAVE played worst without him. That being said, as it stands, our third pairing is significantly different (in play, in presence, etc) without him I don't think I've seen Koivu score in 2-3 Months...hows that for loyalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_in_the_blood Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I don't think I've seen Koivu score in 2-3 Months...hows that for loyalty? indeed i find that too deceiving...i mean the whole time he was playing i was hoping for him to put one in...boost up his confidence a bit....as they say in french he constently ''Swing dans le beurre'' i forgot how that expression goes in english anyways as for sticking behind our team... i totally agree with gohabs on that on...boullion and begin might be the ones who have the most heart on that team...i never see boullion skate at half speed....that said....lets bring the Cup home!!! LOL habs win habs win :hlogo: :hlogo: :hlogo: :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 if someone the habs could do without its this guy ZED if i hate one player its him...and boullion is a great d and as great stickhandling...and contributes to the team wayyyyyyyyy more then Zednik...i hope koivu is going to score tomorow GO HABS GO :hlogo: :hlogo: :hlogo: Hey Gayulous..... What are you on? I'm all about the Cube.....love him. My point was Zednik has been missing in action........I miss him more then boullion, because I know what he's capable of.....The old Zed...... Read the posts, get a feel for the conversation, don't just lash out........and 3 y's would've done the job......I get what your talking about, but you don't get what I'm talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_in_the_blood Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 (edited) Hey Gayulous..... What are you on? I'm all about the Cube.....love him. My point was Zednik has been missing in action........I miss him more then boullion, because I know what he's capable of.....The old Zed...... Read the posts, get a feel for the conversation, don't just lash out........and 3 y's would've done the job......I get what your talking about, but you don't get what I'm talking about nice name changing there coming from a guy abviously in love with the ''Zed'' but nonetheless he his not the player he used to be...and i guess a hard hit to the head does that to someone...but i dont see him in the habs future...not with carbo and gainey...but boullion is just starting...let him gain some exp...i'm am positive that he brings a bigger change to the team then zed...like that nice penalty he got at 17:00 of the 3rd against the pens...also did you know that boullion leads in bodychecking ( before his injury ) and how many times did he ante up the team after a big hit??? tought so LOL Edited March 28, 2006 by fHABulous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalHab Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Settle down boys!!! we're all on the same team here....and lose the name-calling.......both Zed and Cube are instrumental parts of this team....each has a role....each has a function..sometimes they perform, sometimes they don't.......guess what? You're both right! Move on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 nice name changing there coming from a guy abviously in love with the ''Zed'' but nonetheless he his not the player he used to be...and i guess a hard hit to the head does that to someone...but i dont see him in the habs future...not with carbo and gainey...but boullion is just starting...let him gain some exp...i'm am positive that he brings a bigger change to the team then zed...like that nice penalty he got at 17:00 of the 3rd...also did you know that boullion leads in bodychecking ( before his injury ) and how many times did he ante up the team after a big hit??? tought so LOL Dude.......I agree. I'm talking about right now, for the islanders........tomorro..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_in_the_blood Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Dude.......I agree. I'm talking about right now, for the islanders........tomorro..... yes tomorow is a crucial game to get a good cushion could tie up 6th if they all play with there might! we can always depend on bonk worst comes to worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Zednik will be huge come playoff time. He has been playing hurt all year and in the past few weeks you can cleary tell his strength is back and once in a while he is driving to the front of the net rather then around it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 What is going on with these boards? We can't talk and disagree without people shitting on each other? Everyone loves the cube. The fact is he is a #6 or 7 Dman. If the Habs pick up a #1 or 2 Dman that will probably push him to #7 with not much playing time or completely out the door. I'm sure Gainey loves him too but we need another top Dman on our team. Streit is as good as gone he sits more than he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mont Royale Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Everyone loves the cube. The fact is he is a #6 or 7 Dman. Fact, or opinion? A #6 or 7 Dman will occasionally not dress, as we've seen with Komisarek, Streit, and Simpson. Bouillon has played every game that he's been healthy. Now let's look at ice time per game. Bouillon sits at 4th highest on the team (and 4th among defenceman), behind Markov, Rivet, and Souray. He plays 2 minutes a game more than the next highest D, Dandenault. It doesn't seem that Mr. Gainey considers him a #6 or 7 Dman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 What is going on with these boards? We can't talk and disagree without people shitting on each other? Everyone loves the cube. The fact is he is a #6 or 7 Dman. If the Habs pick up a #1 or 2 Dman that will probably push him to #7 with not much playing time or completely out the door. I'm sure Gainey loves him too but we need another top Dman on our team. Streit is as good as gone he sits more than he plays. If Montreal signs a decent defensman in the summer, which I doubt they will, Streit can be released, Dandenault could be moved to forward or even traded for a late round draft pick or spare part, and Bouillon could act as a 6th or 7th defensman. He'll probably only make $750,000 at the most, and thats cheap insurance for a depth defensman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I think we can generally agree that Markov is the #1 Souray is probably the #2, but is playing separate from Markov because of compatibility issues and desire to even the lines as far as talent. Also, Souray has a bit of liability problems, although they are much diminished recently Komisarek is #3. As he has come in to form (which is why season stats are a bit misleading for him) he has definitely evolved into a higher level D-man within the MTL organization Rivet is #4. Generally reliable, jack of all trades. Big and relatively tough. Some Offense Boullion is #5. Reliable, even playing bigger than his frame, he still can get a bit picked on. Generally a rock though. Dandenault is #6. With his recent offense outbreak, he might be considered #5, but still makes me a little nervous sometimes. Simpson is #7. Seems reliable enough and makes our team big and tough. Streit is #8. Teases you every once in a while, but has not been that impressive. OK... So maybe right now Boullion is 5th... or maybe Dandenault is starting to overtake him. Not because Boullion is bad at anything, but because he is kinda a Rivet-lite. Also, Dandenault has the whole "I have a long term contract paying me a lot of money" thing going on in re the possibility of extended benching or trade possibilities. Also, Boullion is really not going to give you any upside... he is what he is. Therefore over the long term (think 2-3 yrs), if Boullion is with this club it will be as a 6-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Streit is #8. Teases you every once in a while, but has not been that impressive. Streit has a laser shot. I love the way his stick bends. But, where's the accuracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch_nl Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Boullion is one of the most underrated players in the leauge. A quick look at the Canadiens stats also says that he is one of the most frequent hitter and at the same time he only have 34 penalty minutes. Rivet has 99... He has the same amount of shot on goal as Andrei Markov but only a 4% that went beyond the goaltender. The same number for Markov is 13&. Realize if Bouillion could just improve a bit and it would add another dimension to our team and his play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Streit had two assists last game and one thing I really enjoy is when he is on the PP with Souray he always sets up a screen high in the slot when Souray is about to shoot. All this guy needs is confidence. He should carry the puck more and make more attempts at the stretch pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Fact, or opinion? A #6 or 7 Dman will occasionally not dress, as we've seen with Komisarek, Streit, and Simpson. Bouillon has played every game that he's been healthy. Now let's look at ice time per game. Bouillon sits at 4th highest on the team (and 4th among defenceman), behind Markov, Rivet, and Souray. He plays 2 minutes a game more than the next highest D, Dandenault. It doesn't seem that Mr. Gainey considers him a #6 or 7 Dman. He is a #5 or 6 on our team right now. If we had another top 4 guy (like we all think we need) then cube would be #6 or 7. Again we all love him and he plays with all sorts of heart and yes he crushes people but he is what he is. If he was a "superstar" he would make alot more than he is. I love him and he is welcome in my opinion to stay as a #6 or 7, once we sign Kubina or someone like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I think he should get a more free role on the team... the way he played in sweden last year he was great offensively with a nice shot and superb speed. If he wont fit into the habs next year... PLS send him back to Leksand in sweden... WE NEED HIM!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I think the Habs will keep him he seems to enjoy playing in Montreal. I would expect him to make anywhere from 750k-950k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydoo Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 He is a #5 or 6 on our team right now. If we had another top 4 guy (like we all think we need) then cube would be #6 or 7. Again we all love him and he plays with all sorts of heart and yes he crushes people but he is what he is. If he was a "superstar" he would make alot more than he is. I love him and he is welcome in my opinion to stay as a #6 or 7, once we sign Kubina or someone like that. I agree, Bouillon should stay in the line-up in front of Dandy, Simpson and Streit (If we get someone else). The only thing missing to Bouillon is offensive abilities. He's one of the top in bodychecks, blocked shots and you never see him getting beat in a one-on-one. the problem is that Gainey uses him on the PP, he shouldn't be there! He's the kind of guy that will never hurt your team. He doesn't take stupid penalties, never looses one on ones, forces other team to keep their heads up, etc. On the other end he isn't a game breaker neither. If you look at the Pittsburgh game closely, Aeby gave many rebounds in the slot, BOu would of been able to clear and I believe that we wouldn't of needed 6 goals to win. On the other hand, Souray is the complete oposite, if we'd get another top d-man (offensive), he's the one I'd trade. He sucks on one-on-ones, and takes stupid penalties. His offensive upside could be carried by the new player picked by Gainey. My 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 (edited) With 30 teams in the NHL and salary cap issues, it's going to get harder and harder to stock teams with 24 super stars.......guys like begin, murray, boullion are going to be what makes the difference between a good team and a great team. The reserve players are going to play important roles more then ever. For that reason alone I wouldn't want to lose The Cube. If you really wanted to know what his value is.....just imagine , for some reason he was put on waivers today..........how long do you think he would last before getting picked up? I say no more then 5 minutes..... Edited March 28, 2006 by HABBER-oooooKNOWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 http://www.nhl.com/features/spotlight/rivet032806.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 http://www.nhl.com/features/spotlight/rivet032806.html Nice read. Maybe we have been staring ourselves so blind on the players we dont have that we have forgotten what we actually DO have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted March 28, 2006 Author Share Posted March 28, 2006 Boullion is one of the most underrated players in the leauge. A quick look at the Canadiens stats also says that he is one of the most frequent hitter and at the same time he only have 34 penalty minutes. Rivet has 99... That's the thing that annoys me. He's not underrated, and he's not an instrumental part of this roster. He's just a good depth player that could be replaced without affecting the team in a negative way, just like Gainey did with Simpson and Streit in the last few games. Even Archer and Côté in Hamilton could probably replace without too much difficulty. Fans in Montreal always blow things way out of proportion. We ended up paying Brisebois, a good 2nd powerplay line specialist, superstar money (he was making more or about the same kind of money than far superior veteran defensemen in the league such as Niedermayer, Jovanoski, Schneider, and others) because the fans and the media exagerated his contribution to the team. I'm afraid that the same thing will happen with marginal depth guys like Bouillon and Begin; if Bouillon wants to come back at 750K/year, then I have no problem with keeping him as the 6th (preferably 7th) defenseman, but then Dandeneault has to go. You cannot call yourself a contender with both Bouillon and Dandeneault in your top 6, especially when you have Rivet in your top 4 (I love Rivet, but he should be the 5th or 6th in the depth chart). I love the effort given by Bouillon and Begin, but the fact is that this team has done horribly with these guys getting too many responsabilities; Begin was playing 15-18 minutes a game for a while, and Bouillon well over 20 minutes. Since Gainey gave more responsabilities to Komisarek (and Souray), and put Begin back to a limited 4th line / penalty killing role, the team has done much better. http://www.nhl.com/features/spotlight/rivet032806.html Nice article on Rivet. He has been very effective this year, and in addition to his leadership skills, he somehow has been contributing offensively... even more than Brisebois in the past (or even this season)! It will be interesting to see if Koivu and Rivet will play their entire careers in Montreal. They have been some of the very few bright ligths in Montreal over the last decade... too bad for them they never got the supporting cast to be able to lead the team anywhere. Well, there is still time, and with the reconstruction efforts of Andre Savard, there is a wave of quality young talents that can give us a reason to hope for better things in the near future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I was never a big fan of Rivet until this season. He has impressed me almost every shift this year. I used to think that all he was good for was a quote in the media. This year just seems he is not making as many mistakes, not to mention the fact that he would take a bullet to win the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Rivet is like Sean Hill when he played for Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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