simonus Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 The Senators (AKA Silver Seven) won many cups in the challenge cup era and 1 in the championship cup era. As far as I understand it was the same team throughout. At this point a technicality, but the NHL does not run the stanley cup award system - it is done by the Cup Trustees. Remember that recent case where the beer league asked the trustees to award the cup in their league during the lockout? Those challenge cups were run more like boxing titles. A team would challenge another for the cup, the cup trustees negotiated the form of the challenge (3 game series, 2 games total goal series, etc) and then whoever won was said to have won the cup. A Cup team could play non-challenge matches and therefore might defend only a couple of times a year. The Cup Trustees did award the Silver Seven 8 cups I believe... but many are in the same year. The Seven are engraved on the cup for each win I believe (were they not the ones who engraved on the bowl?). In sum total - the nhl doesn't get to decide who has won cups. The Senators existed through the 1927 season. The Senators played in many leagues and independently throughout their ~30 year history, much of which as an 'amateur' team. You have to judge challenge cups on a different scale than championship cups, although to be fair there were probably more than 6 teams competing for challenge rights at any given time. Also, just like a boxing championship, if the cup holders did not accept a challenge frequently enough or the right challenge, the trustees could strip them of the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Wow simonus, pretty nice story! Looks like you were there in the '20 Humm How old are you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 yeah, how old are you vanessa? :king: kidding. I'll stop before you think I'm really r e t a r d e d . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people. Like the one on top of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 1- montreal 2-the sens 3-norm macIver 4-kd lang??( or was it mario lemieux..they look so alike ) Wrong for the last 2. Ok, I'll answer it. 1- Montreal 2- Ottawa 3- Sylvain Turgeon scored the GWG, who the Habs had released just before that season. 4- The anthem was sang by a very young pop-dance singer with a big curly hair-do by the name of... Alanis Morrissette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Wrong for the last 2. Ok, I'll answer it. 1- Montreal 2- Ottawa 3- Sylvain Turgeon scored the GWG, who the Habs had released just before that season. 4- The anthem was sang by a very young pop-dance singer with a big curly hair-do by the name of... Alanis Morrissette. You're cool now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Wow simonus, pretty nice story! Looks like you were there in the '20 Humm How old are you?? not quite... just old enough to have read some books about the history of hockey. BTW - they were the silver seven because they played much of their history with the rover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Puck Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 yeah, how old are you vanessa? :king: kidding. I'll stop before you think I'm really r e t a r d e d . I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you didn't quite stop soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanessa Posted July 9, 2006 Author Share Posted July 9, 2006 lol.. Oaky, so the Sens do have ligitamate NHL Stanley Cup wins. That means that they are THIRD overall Cup winners in the league, right? Montreal-1 Toronto-2 Ottawa-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 lol.. Oaky, so the Sens do have ligitamate NHL Stanley Cup wins. That means that they are THIRD overall Cup winners in the league, right? Montreal-1 Toronto-2 Ottawa-3 Nope, Detroit has ten Cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanessa Posted July 9, 2006 Author Share Posted July 9, 2006 Ottawa 4th then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Ottawa 4th then? This should clear up any confusion: Cup Wins by Franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanessa Posted July 9, 2006 Author Share Posted July 9, 2006 Thanks Dark Faerie87. That does help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) Thanks Dark Faerie87. That does help. No it doesn't. It's a trick. Check this list carefully: http://www.mistupid.com/sports/hockey.htm The totals in the wikipedia link are wrong. It doesnt list the Ottawa Silver Seven wins at all (3), and misses 2 wins by the Ottawa Senators aswell, for a grand total of 9. Ottawa was 3rd when the franchise was reinstated, but Detroit have won several times since then. Edited July 11, 2006 by Sir_Boagalott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 When it's 70 or 80 years between games, I don't think you can call that a reinstatement. Yeah, the nicknames are the same, but it's a different franchise. They can hang all the banners they want from the rafters, but they haven't won one themselves yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 When it's 70 or 80 years between games, I don't think you can call that a reinstatement. Yeah, the nicknames are the same, but it's a different franchise. They can hang all the banners they want from the rafters, but they haven't won one themselves yet. That is true, I can remember reading that somewhere now. And besides, weren't the Ottawa Silver Seven a seperate team from the Ottawa Senators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 no, the silver seven were the same team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Lung Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 As for that first Sens game, I believe Montreal lost to Ottawa 5-3. I remember feeling quite horrible after that loss... yet we put together quite a season after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 As for that first Sens game, I believe Montreal lost to Ottawa 5-3. I remember feeling quite horrible after that loss... yet we put together quite a season after that. yeah and there's went down the toilet. thats what happen when you play in a shopping mall I remember seeing that game and having a terrible feeling after the lost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbr93 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The Ottawa Senators that exist today are a separate franchise from the earlier one. The only link is the name. The reason the Senators have banners hanging from their rafters is because they have not won anything of their own, so they are taking credit for another team's success. Ottawa is tied for last in Stanley Cups with a grand total of 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I think it's more likely that they're giving recognition to past Ottawa teams rather than riding on their coat tails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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