jl.roberts Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Time : 7:30 ET, 4:30 PT Location : Miama, Florida - Office Depot Centre TV : RDS, Sportsnet East Radio : CJAD, CKAC, TEAM 990 Postgame Habs Lineup 38 Bulis - 11 Koivu - 73 Ryder 20 Zednik - 71 Ribeiro - 26 Dagenais 24 Dackell - 90 Juneau - 37 Sundstrom 25 Kilger - 94 Perreault - 82 Audette 79 Markov - 52 Rivet? 44 Souray - 08 Komisarek 51 Bouillon - 05 Quintal Key Matchup vs. Koivu vs. Kozlov. Size of the heart, or size of the body? Players to Watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habfan67 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I have a bad feel about this game and tommorrows i feel a tie and a loss,due to the loss of begin and brezzy,but i sure hope im wrong,almost time for murphys law to kick us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider917 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 is kicking hard now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck7x Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 WTF kind of game was that? Man , sure looked like we missed Begin's energy... Who knows , maybe his play was motivational for the rest of the team? ... Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit? Anyways hope to see him back tomorrow. Man , sad to be dominated by the Panthers... they got 49 SOG's... ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebecois Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Not much you can say after that horrible game. I just can't wait till tomorrow's match to get this one out of my mind, just brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl.roberts Posted December 13, 2003 Author Share Posted December 13, 2003 I can hear the Quintal sucks chants all the way from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habitual_hab Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 49 shots?!?!?!? A pitiful, pitiful effort. The silver lining is that perhaps Gainey will see once and for all how team chemistry is affected by certain players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs77 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Here's the recap: http://www.habsworld.net/show_big_news.php?id=210 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I will dispute vehemently with anyone who says that we played a good first period, despite the score. The fact of the matter is this: while the Panthers were unlucky to come out of the first that way, they were the better team all night. They were first to the puck, the passed accurately, and the received passes astutely. The Habs did none of those things tonight. Worst though, was the effort - the Habs were lucky to get a first effort on some plays where the Panthers had two and sometimes three efforts on a play. Pathetic. And this was a team we should have beaten. Now we have to go and play a *much* better team in the Bolts tomorrow night. Sure, there were some thing that can be taken from this game with a grain of salt, including the fact that had the officials had *any* clue whatsoever about what hooking, holding, and obstruction were, Montreal would have been on the powerplay for about 80 minutes. Sure, Theo played a solid game and really held a team that didn't deserve to even be in the rink in the game. And sure, Juneau came back and looked much better than he did when he left and led the best habs line all night. But I don't think Montreal was in Florida for a few moral victories. ~~ Notes: (performance) Theo: "Dear Theo, we're sorry we left you alone, but we thought you were missing rubber." A Bouillon: Tough to say this, but he was one of the better defenders. He still couldn't pass the puck to save his life tonight. C Rivet: Pack it up and go home. You know, the *real* pro athelete would have admitted to his coach that he was just not in the game and should either be benched so as not to hurt the team or used only in places where he wasn't going to cause problems. F Quintal: See Rivet. Downgrade the mark if necessary. F- Souray: "Dear Souray, we wanted to see how you'd do by yourself on defense tonight. Nice try." At least he was physical and brought something to the attack tonight. B Komisarek: Covered Souray's butt once, but there was still a goal against on the play - since he had to leave his own mand to take his partners. He's getting beaten a few too many times on one-on-ones, but I think that's part of the learning curve. At least he wasn't beated on effort, since he was one of the best Habs out there. He's doing a little better with speedster's out wide, and his footspeed is increasing, but there's still a way to go. Then again, he was the best we had on the right hand side. C+ Markov: Two assists does not a good game make. Too many bad outlet passes tonight. He was still decent down low and consistently tied up his man, but it seemed he was a half step out of it mentally. B- Audette: Is there anyone in the world who can explain why he replaced Ryder on the top line in the waning stages of the game? Ryder was demoted to line two and Dagenais was sent to polish the wood at the end of the bench. Ryder was best of the three, Dagenais second best, and Audette should have faked a shoulder injury. He had good jump skating-wise, just didn't do anything with it. C Perreault: Perhaps if we paint the defensive third a fluorescent orange he might be able to find it. No? I didn't think so either. Still, that mullet he's working on must raise his grade a little. Let's see, he played three quarters of a good period. Um... D+ Kilger: And whaddaya know, I give the guy who rarely puts in 60 minutes of effort the best mark on the line. He actually worked and threw the body tonight. I appreciated his efforts. B Dackell: Awsome game. Not only was he stellar defensively tying up his man time after time, but offensively his trio worked the puck wonderfully and were the only line to apply constant pressure in the offensive zone. A- Sundstrom: Two weeks ago I called him Invisible Man. Guess he was insulted, because in every game since, he's gotten better and better. I should start the name calling for everyone else tonight. Strong game in all three zones, but he was particularly effective on the attack - mostly because his line didn't have to defend much because they had the puck so long. B+ Juneau: Well, as much as most of us didn't want him back on that third line, I don't think there's anyone who can disagree (if you're honestly with yourself) that he came in and did a fine job. We missed Begin, for sure, but less than Brisebois tonight. B+ Zednik: He scored a goal-scorer's goal when he went to the net on the first, and it was great to see him do that. Of course, I guess he decided that it was to be his contribution for the night, because he immediately left for Tampa and gave his sweater to some dude in Section 15, Row 12. C+ Dagenais: Tonight he really fit in. When the bulk of the Habs went to sleep as Florida started hitting, Dagenais came out to play and actually carried himself well throughout the affair. He was the best on his line and really didn't deserve the demotion late. B+ Ribeiro: Oh, I could just hear the wails of delight from all his supporters as he made that play for the first goal - though no doubt it was spectacular. Unfortunately, I have a feeling they let it rose-colour their glasses for the rest of the game when Ribs failed to do much else. I've noticed that if the play is in his own zone, he's utter crap, but when the Habs, and particularly he, has the puck, he looks good. Problem with that is when the Habs rarely have the puck. C Bulis: Well, he was working hard, but it was one of those games where nothing went right for him. The puck was bouncing over his stick (did anyone tell the Florida guys that this was supposed to be a hockey game and not a basketball game 'cause that puck was a-bouncin') like there was no tommorrow, and his decisions were just not what we've gotten used to with him. B Ryder: He impresses me more by the game, and thank heavens Julien benched him, because, you know, late in the game when you're down by two, it's always good to have your most offensive players filling water bottles. Okay, he held on to the puck too long and it resulted in a goal, but when he's creating more than everyone else... B Koivu: I don't think he was expecting to play a team that worked, because a number of his passes would have been brilliant against, say, the Rag$ who don't know what work is. Tonight, though, they were picked off regularly. Again, with Sax, it wasn't a matter that he wasn't working hard, because I think he was working as hard as ever, it was his mind that was perhaps slightly out of synch with the rest of himself. B ~~ Pretty sad. Half effort in the first and none for the rest of the game. It's going to be a serious uphill climb to reverse that horrid effort tomorrow night. Somehow they have to come back, forget all about this, and work for 60 minutes, and that's always tough when bad habits come into the play. Tampa, while not having the best of times recently, is a much better team than is Florida, and if the Bolts see the game tape, it's pretty easy to determine that the game plan will be hit, hit, hit, work, work, work. Coming to the peninsula this weekend, I would have expected to see three out of four points considering who we were playing - that would have given me cause to call it a successful weekend. Now, we'll be lucky to get two. A concerned fan. 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Habs77 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Florida did not dominate us all game... the Habs had the upper hand for a chunk of the first. I can remember the Juneau line making the Panthers look like cones out there for a few shifts in the first period. Then you had both goals... put all that together and they did have some success in that period. Sure they were oppotunistic as hell, but it's about time they were for a change. My problem was that even if they weren't that great in the first... they went to an even lower gear for the last two. But I have to say the last two goals were about kids making rookie mistakes, we're just gonna have to live with those. Ryder & Komi made two bonehead plays, and any chance of the Habs coming back disappeared. And while Ryder might be impressing some of you more and more, to the contrary I've seen him commit more and more turnover lately... making more and more bad decisions with and without the puck. I do appreciate the flashes of offensive flair he shows us though, that bodes well for the future. I also saw nothing positive in Kilger's game... another forgetable game for a very forgetable player. Hopefully we forget to re-sign him next time. Yes Ribeiro's LINE was under siege a few times in the defensive zone... but that's not all on Ribeiro. Zednik is no defensive guru, and Dagenais moves around at Quintal-like speed he's a defensive nightmare as well. Not to mention they were on the ice with Quintal & Bouillon against the Jokinen line on the first Panther goal... a mismatch of majestic proportions. Ribeiro did no worse than Dagenais tonight, no actually he did better because at least he made that first goal happen. How Dagenais gets a better mark is beyond me, Julien seems to agree with me. Dagenais is SO slow, and so soft for a big man... I'm starting to lose my illusions that he may actually be the regular 2nd liner with size we so desperately need. When it becomes clear why he hasn't stuck anywhere else in the league... one thing is sure, Audette is not the answer. At that point I say return Dagenais to Hamilton, buy out Audette... and bring up Higgins. Bulis-Koivu-Ryder Higgins-Ribeiro-Zednik Sundstrom-Juneau-Dackell Langdon-Bégin-Ward The 3rd line might be soft but they keep playing like they did tonight I'll live with it for this season. The rest of the lines I really like. [Edited on 13-12-03 by Habs77] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsaku Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 No one deserved more then a B tonight except Theo. It was by far the worst game since the Michel Therrien era. Really pathetic, I can't believe what I saw. I do not agree at all with the grades you gave to our third line Guy!, in fact you seem to give them great grades everygame yet they contribute to nothing, they are 9 times out of 10 in their own zone without Begin. Tonight, we posted a lineup with few hard workers and lots of softies and it showed. Guys like Audette, Perreault, Juneau and Dagenais really hurt this team with their lack of implication, it frustrates me a lot. Rivet and Quintal we're simply terrible. Everything was going so well lately, who could've believed Begins importance to this team, give him the A please and the other to Souray. The more the season progresses the more you see which players want to stay with the team and which don't. BTW, Dackell has been good lately, he's really surprised me. Better then Sundstrom and cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs77 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Last night's game was not the worst this season... there were a few uglier ones during our rough patch a month ago. But yes it was pathetic. And btw the 3rd line WERE the best line last night, by far... and yes they did generate some quality scoring chances. I don't know which game you were watching. They were the only line who deserved a passing grade last night. I found that last night the most pathetic part was our defence.. apart from Souray who had an ok game, the rest were all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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