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Its no secret I like politics. I like to see how the world ticks. I like anything that has anything to do with politics. And not just American politics as you all know I like anything political.

So I decided to make a thread about politics. Any country any issue doesn't matter if its political it belongs in this thread.

Nothing is really off limits although I'll stay out of Quebec issues as much as possible for I'm not a Quebecker but want to see whats best for Canada and Quebec. Its okay to post Quebec politics here though I just won't respond as much because I don't want to alienate people.

France has a presidential election coming up next year and the Socialist Party picks the person who will run for it this week. I am a fan of Segolene Royal. She's the front runner in the race to get the nomination and I think she'll do great things.

Canada:

Garth Turner promises to shake up Ottawa once again:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

Interesting fellow that Garth Turner. Maverick for sure. Wonder what he's going to say on Wednesday. All politicians have egos. So it wouldn't shock me if the urge of becoming Canada's first Green Party member in Parliament is just too strong. I think he'll go to the Greens.

Bob Rae: Comes out of the closet so to speak. He basically says he wants to unite the left, thats what I took from this article. The Liberals have a choice to make, Iggy is the Centre Right Canidate but he alienates the left part and Rae is the Centre-Left canidate he could alienate the progressive conservative right part. So what to do? Go to the right and go after Harper but at the same time lose more voters to the NDP? Or go left and take back some NDP votes and run on a unite the left (sort of) campaign? Interesting how this will plan out.

It really is Chretien and Martin all over again. Fascinating to watch. Then the NDP has the Greens to worry about. And the Tories? Well there always prone to imploding. Joe Clark still around? ;)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

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Rudy Giuliani takes steps for a run at the White House

LOL

Sorry but he has absolutely no chance of ever winning the primary.

He's pro-choice and supports gun control.

Love to see him win it though because it would basically mean the end of the Republican Party. The right wing fanatics would split and create there own party. Which is fine by me then the Republicans could finally and I mean finally go back to what they stand for. Progressive Conservatism with a liberatarian streak in it.

Everyone is tired of the 5% of this country the evangelicals running the country. Religion and politcs do not mix and never should. Religion is a personal matter between you and whatever you believe in. I do not force my religious views on anyone and neither politicians.

That being sad he has no shot of winning South Carolina in the primaries. He might be able to win enough support in Iowa and of course he would be a front runner in New Hampshire but South Carolina? nope not happening. He'd get crushed.

But if he somehow pulled off the miracle the election in '08 would look a lot like '68.

You would have a religious conservative pro gun person running. They would take all of the South and Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, South Dakota and North Dakota, Utah.

Talk about a divide.

But to be honest having the religious right split from the republican party and create its own party would actually be a godsend considering all the polarization thats going around today.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061113/ap_on_el_pr/giuliani2008

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LOL great comic strip !!

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Australia moves to more of a centralized government giving more power to the Canberra.

PM Howard: "but they recognise the reality of 2006 that we are a nation before we are a collection of states, whatever may have been the historical sequence. "

Hmmm, interesting. A nation before a collective number of states.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6145786.stm

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Ambrose blaming the Liberals again.

You know this has gotten ridiculous. Blaming the Liberals. wah wah. Who's in power again? Last time I checked it was the Conservatives. Who cut all the Liberal environmental programs? um, not the Liberals. Who came up with a 'Clean Air Act' that doesn't clean the air until 2050? Um wasn't the Liberals. Geesh what a bunch of babies.

Saying the Liberals didn't do anything is all fine and dandy but when you come up with an 'Act' that doesn't address the problem until 2050 well thats the biggest joke on the planet.

The conservatives in power in Ottawa sound too much like conservative radio hosts in america. Its never my fault its always the bloody liberals fault. lol.

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Tonight we had another big Debate on tv. The 6 biggest party's had their leaders represent it. I really enjoyed it, allthough there were a lot of things wrong about it. I follow politics closely of late. ISnt hard to cuz they are everywhere on tv. Next week we have to choose a new Parlement. I still have no clue what i will vote for. The party i voted for the last couple of times did a good job the last 4 years. Allthough there are points of discussion, i believe the poor didnt do well the last years. They could do more for them. And so there is much more. I'm not a member of a party, its not like i will vote everytime on the same thing. Depends on there programm, and that will change from time to time. So not a left or right-winger. Depends.

So the next week i gotta find out what i want, and this time its harder than ever for me. Well still got about 6 or 7 days. But its very interesting, the polls show a lot of movement up and down.

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I have no clue if you're a bit known in the dutch politics, if you know any political party's?

CDA is leading, and increasing their lead. It's a Christian Democratic party. Also increasing there base is a socialistic party. They will overtake the other soc. party (that always have been the biggest soc party). The one overtaking the other one is more left, than the one they are overtaking (still folowing my story, haha)

wait maybe i can post here the latest polls!

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I know a little bit from the BBC mainly about the Van Gogh murder and the crack down on civil liberties promoted by right of centre or all parties can't remember now. But yeah you've got a little crisis going on in your country.

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ah well i dont think there is a crisis. Our economy is doing better and better, so people feel better. But there is still a feeling about "the poor are getting poorer" and the old people are not taken serieous. Care for them is not that good. I think in politics there is going on a lot. CDA was the biggest party in the latest coalition, and still are getting bigger and bigger. The other 2 party's that were part of the coalition are losing and losing ground to some new party's. But they are to little. ( we had a right coalition the last 4 years). But on the left wing the Social party's are getting a bigger stronghold. People want a more social Holland. When there is money, everybody should be better of. And the feeling is that only the rich got richer. We'll see, i have a little bit of that feeling to. But im not sure if the social party's will keep the economy up. I always feel they spend to much money.

*abot van Gogh, thats a thing thats going on in a lot of counties around the world. Thats just our part in terrorism. Some people with radical ideas.

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Ambrose blaming the Liberals again.

You know this has gotten ridiculous. Blaming the Liberals. wah wah. Who's in power again? Last time I checked it was the Conservatives. Who cut all the Liberal environmental programs? um, not the Liberals. Who came up with a 'Clean Air Act' that doesn't clean the air until 2050? Um wasn't the Liberals. Geesh what a bunch of babies.

Saying the Liberals didn't do anything is all fine and dandy but when you come up with an 'Act' that doesn't address the problem until 2050 well thats the biggest joke on the planet.

The conservatives in power in Ottawa sound too much like conservative radio hosts in america. Its never my fault its always the bloody liberals fault. lol.

Pierre, your tweaking my nose again. :o

It would have been nice if the Grits had managed to come within a lightyear of Kyoto but...couldn't do it.

Egg on faces all around!

Edited by ATHLÉTIQUE.CANADIEN

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I'm not saying the Liberals ideas were good. In fact they were complacent. Martin was a fool along with Chretien. I'm saying the Conservatives have been in power for almost a year now and there best response is blame the Liberals. When do they become accountable? Thats all I'm saying.

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I'm not saying the Liberals ideas were good. In fact they were complacent. Martin was a fool along with Chretien. I'm saying the Conservatives have been in power for almost a year now and there best response is blame the Liberals. When do they become accountable? Thats all I'm saying.

That was fast. I'm just having fun :P

Twaeking the nose was a joke.

I wouldn't worry about the blaming. The voters see through it and it's time they move on to a new tactic.

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I'm just fed up with conservatives in every country in general at the moment.

You watch that Rummy video I posted earlier?

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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...4&t=TS_Home

It's issues like this that get my blood pressure up. Here we have a perfect example of one warped multicultural policy.

One one hand there is the freedom of religion and on the other, discrimination of women.

Where do we draw the line between the religious concerns?

This reminds me of the Sikh child who accidentally dropped his kirpan, a small religious ceremonial dagger in a school yard and the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that banning them is an infringement of religious freedoms.

Here is a link with the case study.

SUPREME COURT GIVES STRONG ENDORSEMENT TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION

I think I should start a religion where it is ceremonial to carry a kalashnikov. Also, I cannot talk to women so send a male cop!

Canada's diversity is sometimes not all it's cracked up to be.

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I'm just fed up with conservatives in every country in general at the moment.

Bush seems to have had this earthmoving affect on a lot of people.

It's tough. We argue. We complain about the government full time. We blame the other party. It can really be silly.

At Trudeau's funeral, his son Justin Trudeau told a story about him telling a joke to his father about Joe Clark. Justin relayed at the funeral that it was a very unflattering joke. Pierre got angry with his son and told him something to the affect of,

"Son, he is the reason our system works. He and I are the reason we are free. We disagree but without the system we have there wouldn't be anything. I respect him and his ideas as much as he respects me and my ideas. It's very hard to agree and it's not easy, but we need each other and I would ask that you respect him".

Justin being an intelligent person and very bright for a little boy understood right away what his father had said and apologized.

Now, as far as the Conservative's go in Canada, I couldn't be happier about the resurgence. When the Liberal's had a free pass without a majority challenger I knew it was bad for democracy. The Liberal's governed well but the lack of a competitor is very unhealthy to democracy regardless of how centrist a party can be.

After a while the governing party as good as they might be, will screw up. Complacency sneaks in. The you'll get something like - "sponsorship scandal".

Also, the Liberal's imploded so that wasn't good for their party either. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

IMO, the Conservative's have some growing to do. The Liberal's are resurging BUT...

The Federation is STRONG AGAIN!

Balance

:can:

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