Ribeiro

[brobin]

Riberio now leads the Dallas Stars in points. He has 21 points in 30 games on a defensive team, playing 3rd line minutes. He is plus 8.

For all who think he could not do it in Montreal, I say hogwash. He did exactly that in Montreal twice. He would be third in scoring in Montreal right now, and just think what we could have gotten for him now in a trade!

I understand many people thought he had to go, but the timing was wrong. Ribs was improving as a player even late last year, showing more maturity and a determination to improve. Trading him for Niinimaa during the preseason was a mistake, imo.

The team could use a center like Ribs right now, and more importantly, if they wanted to trade him still, they would get a lot more then Niinimaa in return. My guess would be that he would not be traded now, as Pleks has shown he cannot replace him.

Our hunt for a replacement continues, while we are doing very well right now I don't think we will go far in the playoffs without a number 2 center and the second line pumping on all cylinders. You can't rely on special teams forever! Look at the Leafs last year.....

If nothing else, I believe it is time for some people to admit that Riberio was not a "useless pile of crap" as some have called him here. He is a very decent 2nd line center in this league.

Edit: At least spell the name right in the title...

[riker]

The "useless pile of crap" comment aside, the main reason that we couldn't keep him wasn't because of his skill, but because, first and foremost, he was detrimental to the team in the dressing room. Sometimes if the fit is of due to a few players (J. Theodore, P. Dagenais) causing problems, then changes are warranted.

[brobin]

The "useless pile of crap" comment aside, the main reason that we couldn't keep him wasn't because of his skill, but because, first and foremost, he was detrimental to the team in the dressing room. Sometimes if the fit is of due to a few players (J. Theodore, P. Dagenais) causing problems, then changes are warranted.

Well, that is speculation, not fact. Regardless, that doesn't mean you hand away an asset for nothing. Timing is everything with trades.

I believe the time to trade Ribs (if he still proved a lockerroom issues with Dags and Theo gone) was mid-season, when he would be worth something.

[Fanpuck33]

I'm surprised it took 2 months for this thread to start. His production in Dallas is irrelevant. In Montreal, he floated too often and was a bad influence on the team. Calling out teamates and picking fights with the captain is unacceptable.

By the way, there are 118 players with 20+ points.

[Pierre the Great]

Riberio now leads the Dallas Stars in points. He has 21 points in 30 games on a defensive team, playing 3rd line minutes. He is plus 8.

For all who think he could not do it in Montreal, I say hogwash. He did exactly that in Montreal twice. He would be third in scoring in Montreal right now, and just think what we could have gotten for him now in a trade!

I understand many people thought he had to go, but the timing was wrong. Ribs was improving as a player even late last year, showing more maturity and a determination to improve. Trading him for Niinimaa during the preseason was a mistake, imo.

The team could use a center like Ribs right now, and more importantly, if they wanted to trade him still, they would get a lot more then Niinimaa in return. My guess would be that he would not be traded now, as Pleks has shown he cannot replace him.

Our hunt for a replacement continues, while we are doing very well right now I don't think we will go far in the playoffs without a number 2 center and the second line pumping on all cylinders. You can't rely on special teams forever! Look at the Leafs last year.....

If nothing else, I believe it is time for some people to admit that Riberio was not a "useless pile of crap" as some have called him here. He is a very decent 2nd line center in this league.

biggest idiot ever

[JMMR]

As Habs fans we are aware Ribeiro has talent yes, but we also KNOW that he did cause trouble in the dressing room, hell he fought with Koivu on the ice, made numerous comments that should not be made to the media. Hell I met Ribeiro a few times and he was very pleasant and nice to talk to but the Habs had two injured defenseman and needed help on the back end. Gainey did not appear to be a fan of Ribeiro.

He has half of his points on the power play and good for him he is a plus player and from what I have seen is much more competitive on the ice. His face-off numbers are still weak but that’s okay. So in closing Riker and Fanpuck are correct. Ribeiro gone is an addition by subtraction

Edited December 13, 2006 by JMMR

[alexstream]

what we lack in scoring with Ribs gone, we make it back twice as much in TEAM SPIRIT

This is the 1st TEAM we have in the last decade... we have had some temporary teams lately... but none that would qualify as a long term TEAM, with everything that goes with it.

[beliveau1]

Just face it - it's time to get over it!!!!!

You aren't in charge, and the man whose opinion matters most, Bob Gainey, made the move for a reason he felt was in the best interest of the organization.

Give it a rest..... MOVE ON!

(p.s. somebody please put this thread out of its' misery now - we don't need to discuss this one any more!)

Edited December 13, 2006 by beliveau1

[markierung]

Do you really want to know why Ribeiro got traded...

My cousin has a friend who works at RDS. Off the record, he was told by the Habs organization that Ribeiro was a regular Coke user. As soon as Gainey and Carbo found out, they wanted nothing to do with him.

Yes i agree that he is very talented, but you can't win a cup with someone like that in the dressing room. Also, the guy has a reputation of partying more than practicing. He just wan't a good fit and had to be removed as fast as possible.

[brobin]

Sad statements really.

Ribs picked a fight with Koivu? I thought they both fought each other. Also, when Downey did it, it was all good fun, team spirit.. What a double standard.

When Koivu was helped off the ice earlier last week, but returned the very next shift with a smile on his face, he was a warrier. When Ribs gets up and smiles, he is a little puke. Double standard.

Ribs - addition by subtraction? Please someone post some facts that support that argument? Our second like has sucked all season, mainly due to a lack of a center. Hardly sounds like addition to me. Oh, and our record right now is not really any different at this point in the season from last year with Ribs. So, no help their. I would say the difference this year versus last year is GOALTENDING, not getting rid of Ribs.

180 players with more then 20 points. sure, too bad only three of them are on the habs right now.

In any case, I predicted this response. Ribs doing well elsewhere must really sting all the haters in this forum.

why did I post it? Simple. When I made statements that I thought he was looking good in the preseason, I was shot down viciously. When I stated I didn't like the trade at the time, I was shot down. Told how Niinimaa was going to turn it around, Pleks would have 60 points this season, and Ribs would be out of the league since he was a useless puke, bad in the dressing room, and did nothing for the team.

I raise all this to your attention to make a very significant point. You should never let emotion and your feelings for a player override logic and fact. Ribs is a perfect example of this. The same goes for the way people loved Bulis last year, over valuing him. People over value prospects and young players by the same token. They ignore facts (like points, plus minus, ratings, etc).

So, before you get carried away with hate for a player, please, base it on performance, production, and facts.

As for me not being Gainey, I didn't realize that evaluation of trades was not allowed on these boards. I am quite sure Gainey evaluates his decisions, recognizes mistakes, and works to be better. That is what makes him successful. I hardly think this is his first bad trade, nor will it be his last. His good trades more then make up for it.

Do you really want to know why Ribeiro got traded...

My cousin has a friend who works at RDS. Off the record, he was told by the Habs organization that Ribeiro was a regular Coke user. As soon as Gainey and Carbo found out, they wanted nothing to do with him.

Yes i agree that he is very talented, but you can't win a cup with someone like that in the dressing room. Also, the guy has a reputation of partying more than practicing. He just wan't a good fit and had to be removed as fast as possible.

LOL, "the habs organization". I don't believe rumors, but even if true, it is still a bad trade. When that happens you make the guy look good first, then trade him to get more.

Personally, I have always felt the trade had more to do with Gainey wanting Niinimaa, rather then him trying to dump Ribs.

[giupietrantonio]

Second line center = Higgins maybe???? = much better than ribeiro

Edited December 13, 2006 by giupietrantonio

[riker]

Well, that is speculation, not fact. Regardless, that doesn't mean you hand away an asset for nothing. Timing is everything with trades.

I believe the time to trade Ribs (if he still proved a lockerroom issues with Dags and Theo gone) was mid-season, when he would be worth something.

"Could have, would have, should have" The trade was to unload quickly and get something that is short term only (Hello/Goodbye Mr. Niinimaa). In the age of the salary cap, the trade is more about dollars and cents first, then the talent available. Seeing as the talent is not as good hoped for, the team can take full advantage of more money available for a FA or giving more to existing soon to be UFA.

Unless "Ribs" wins the Hart or Art Ross Trophy, I am happy to see him go and I wish him all the best!

[Colin]

Hooboy.

In Ribeiro's first 20 games, he had 13 points. 7 of those points were in three games. That means that, in the other 17 games, he had a grand total of 6 points. I guess that's yippee hoorah time.

In the last 10 games, Superstar has 8 points - a definite improvement no doubt. It should be noted, however, that during that 10-game spell, Modano has missed four games, Lindros has missed four games, and Morrow has missed eight. Superstar has had more ice time as a result, so sure, his production has increased slightly.

Superstar has been playing generally on the fourth line, but as a PP specialist - something he couldn't do here because we needed a responsible, hard-working, FAST 2nd line centre, not a S-U-P-E-R-S-T-A-R.

In other words, as with what happened two years ago in Montreal to a degree, Ribby is being put on the ice in situations where he'll succeed. He's not being put out there against the opposition's best, or even second best lines. Rather, he's put out on a spot basis and used extensively on the powerplay, all of which is designed to bring the most out of a somewhat limited player.

Arguing that he'd be better than what we have now on the second line doesn't strike me as useful at all. Better in what way? Would the second line have more goals? Perhaps a handful. But what would the +/- on that line look like? I suggest that it would be significantly worse than it is now. That line is used consistently and in dangerous situations and its defensive weaknesses are already noted. If Plekanec is already considered a replacement for Bonk on the third line because he's defensively responsible, then can you imagine what the second would look like defensively if Ribeiro was in there instead of Plekanec?

You are absolutely correct, however, when you say that passions for a player somewhat cloud the pertinent facts. Consider, for instance, your absolute devotion to Superstar. His hit in Boston where he made it to the bench laughing after looking for all intents and purposes that he'd been shot? You compare that to Koivu where everyone knew what happened - took a Souray shot in the leg - and came back to the bench with a smile. There are a great many players who have taken a Souray shot in the leg and have had to leave for a few to get over the pain, however when Koivu comes back with a smile (remember? the Habs scored?) you equate that with the Ribeiro classless act.

As for the fight between Koivu and Ribeiro, one doesn't have to be a qualified psychologist or a mind reader to get the gist of what went on. Look at all the history, at everything that happened, at how the team was divided and surprise surpruse, the two get into a fight because Ribby is being an ass. Again.

Funny how, when we finally get rid of Ribeiro, everyone on the Habs, to a person, is saying how it's much more like a family, with no cliques and everyone is having fun with everyone. So basically, when we finally, *finally* have that team aspect come out, you're saying you'd rather have the Hockey Cancer Ribeiro back in Montreal to flaunt his Superstar goodies and get a few points over the unity and team spirit which has everyone behind everyone else's back?

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, Niinimaa has improved his game quite significantly from the early part of the season and doesn't look out of place out there in the least. Not in the least. Suddenly that trade, which Superstar fans called totally lobsided, isn't looking quite that way anymore. Niinimaa is playing withing his means and is making some solid plays out there while being defensively responsible. AND he's a team player - not complaining when he's sitting. Seems to me that with Hockey Cancer Ribeiro was here, he complained bitterly when the coach pulled him off the ice for a game or two because he was sucking out there.

Yeah, great loss that is.

I realize your love-in for Superstar runs deep, and I realize you like slinging the "Ribeiro-haters" barb quite often, but you might want to sit back and have a long look at things from an objective perspective (something you rabidly accuse others of NOT having whilst making Ribby-loving comments repeatedly). Perhaps you'll see that things aren't quite as rosy in Ribbyland as you thought they were.

Hell, there are even rumours that Ribs might be traded from Dallas. If he's so good, why are there rumours about that in Dallas - a place with four hockey reporters. Who all work PART TIME. Oh, I know, they're rumours so they mean nothing. I must be wrong.

Long live Superstar.

[fromage]

Remember when Julien benched Ribs last year? Ribs cried to the media. 'nuff said.

[habanero]

Last year Mike Ribeiro had 16 goals, 51 points. This year, he's on pace for 16 goals 57 points. And he plays primarily on the power play. Why would we have gotten more out of a trade by waiting?

By trading him in the preseason, Gainey may have found someone willing to take a chance on the upside of his "new attitude" and summer of skating lessons. But it turns out, his stats are the same - there's been no "breakout". And in Montreal, he would have a horrible plus minus playing with Kovalev and Samsonov.

[johnnyhasbeen]

Let's see, dallas is 1 pnt ahead of us with a game at hand, they finished last year 9 pnts up. Therefore either we improved or they declined. Now there is sick logic for you. However, I prefer this years team without Ribs to last years squad.

[CoRvInA]

Ribeiro has the potential to be an outstanding player... the Habs spent almost a decade trying to develop him into that!... the pros and cons of Ribeiro have been clear and the Habs felt they had done all that they could have and it was time to let him go....

Remember NEver say Never in Hockey.. which means that no one knows... who says Riberio wouldnt find himself back in a Habs Jersey in a few years? (God forbidd)..

In Any case the Habs must have felt he could perhaps evolve better into a better player in another organization.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART WAS AND STILL IS!!!..... LATENDRESSE

Had Ribeiro been still in the team WOULD IT NOT BE LOGICAL TO ASSUME THAT LATENDRESSE WOULD pick up experience from the Quebec players??? we have seen that with Begin and Dandy.... Your not going to tell me that a Quebec Top 6 forward (Ribeiro) is not going to influence Guy (another potential top 6 forward) more than a dman and a 4th line agitator??

I feel the organization for sure felt that when Latendresse said that if he did not make the team this season he was gong back to being draft elegible .... the Habs KNEW that if Latendresse was let in they had to get rid of the rotten apple NO way were they letting another potential top 6 forward become a thorn like Ribeiro!

To think Gainey decided to trade Ribeiro for Niinima as a par on par trade means You've been blinded by Ribeiro (See how influential he is? hahahah) Gainey knew he was losing talent for a already 7th dman... so its a moot issue The Habs knew they were losing in the performance player per player issue... but what they would gain in whole and in the long run has paid MORE THAN WAS EXPECTED and youre wrong here too... the team's record so far is the best since 92-93 season that timeline is PRE - RIBEIRO!!!

[huzer]

Who the hell cares?

[brobin]

Hooboy.

In Ribeiro's first 20 games, he had 13 points. 7 of those points were in three games. That means that, in the other 17 games, he had a grand total of 6 points. I guess that's yippee hoorah time.

In the last 10 games, Superstar has 8 points - a definite improvement no doubt. It should be noted, however, that during that 10-game spell, Modano has missed four games, Lindros has missed four games, and Morrow has missed eight. Superstar has had more ice time as a result, so sure, his production has increased slightly.

Superstar has been playing generally on the fourth line, but as a PP specialist - something he couldn't do here because we needed a responsible, hard-working, FAST 2nd line centre, not a S-U-P-E-R-S-T-A-R.

In other words, as with what happened two years ago in Montreal to a degree, Ribby is being put on the ice in situations where he'll succeed. He's not being put out there against the opposition's best, or even second best lines. Rather, he's put out on a spot basis and used extensively on the powerplay, all of which is designed to bring the most out of a somewhat limited player.

Arguing that he'd be better than what we have now on the second line doesn't strike me as useful at all. Better in what way? Would the second line have more goals? Perhaps a handful. But what would the +/- on that line look like? I suggest that it would be significantly worse than it is now. That line is used consistently and in dangerous situations and its defensive weaknesses are already noted. If Plekanec is already considered a replacement for Bonk on the third line because he's defensively responsible, then can you imagine what the second would look like defensively if Ribeiro was in there instead of Plekanec?

You are absolutely correct, however, when you say that passions for a player somewhat cloud the pertinent facts. Consider, for instance, your absolute devotion to Superstar. His hit in Boston where he made it to the bench laughing after looking for all intents and purposes that he'd been shot? You compare that to Koivu where everyone knew what happened - took a Souray shot in the leg - and came back to the bench with a smile. There are a great many players who have taken a Souray shot in the leg and have had to leave for a few to get over the pain, however when Koivu comes back with a smile (remember? the Habs scored?) you equate that with the Ribeiro classless act.

As for the fight between Koivu and Ribeiro, one doesn't have to be a qualified psychologist or a mind reader to get the gist of what went on. Look at all the history, at everything that happened, at how the team was divided and surprise surpruse, the two get into a fight because Ribby is being an ass. Again.

Funny how, when we finally get rid of Ribeiro, everyone on the Habs, to a person, is saying how it's much more like a family, with no cliques and everyone is having fun with everyone. So basically, when we finally, *finally* have that team aspect come out, you're saying you'd rather have the Hockey Cancer Ribeiro back in Montreal to flaunt his Superstar goodies and get a few points over the unity and team spirit which has everyone behind everyone else's back?

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, Niinimaa has improved his game quite significantly from the early part of the season and doesn't look out of place out there in the least. Not in the least. Suddenly that trade, which Superstar fans called totally lobsided, isn't looking quite that way anymore. Niinimaa is playing withing his means and is making some solid plays out there while being defensively responsible. AND he's a team player - not complaining when he's sitting. Seems to me that with Hockey Cancer Ribeiro was here, he complained bitterly when the coach pulled him off the ice for a game or two because he was sucking out there.

Yeah, great loss that is.

I realize your love-in for Superstar runs deep, and I realize you like slinging the "Ribeiro-haters" barb quite often, but you might want to sit back and have a long look at things from an objective perspective (something you rabidly accuse others of NOT having whilst making Ribby-loving comments repeatedly). Perhaps you'll see that things aren't quite as rosy in Ribbyland as you thought they were.

Hell, there are even rumours that Ribs might be traded from Dallas. If he's so good, why are there rumours about that in Dallas - a place with four hockey reporters. Who all work PART TIME. Oh, I know, they're rumours so they mean nothing. I must be wrong.

Long live Superstar.

LOL, when did I ever call ribs a super star? I have always said he is nothing more then a 2nd line center. Period. I have never said we should not trade him, nor have I said he was better then Koivu.

What I have said, is that the trade was not very good. Period.

This is exactly what I mean about people over rotating about Ribs. You are going nuts and putting words in my mouth. If someone doesn't think Ribs is the worse hockey player ever, then they are ribs lovers, think he is a superstar, and obviously hate Koivu....

Please, read what I wrote, this is the exact silly attitude I was talking about.

Ribby loving comments? Right. I don't like the trade and I don't think Pleks is a 2nd line center. That hardly makes me a ribs lover.

I think I am very objective about Ribs. He is a 60 point guy, plus or minus, and worth more then a number 8 defenceman. Do I miss ribs?

Oh, and Ribs would probably improve the plus minus of the second line, based on the evidence. The only time he had a bad plus minus was with Kovy. I suggest you consider the possibility that Kovy is the defensive liability. Even poor Pleks has a minus from being on that line.

Sometimes I really wonder about some people here. If you want to see a different line combo, you hate Carbo. If you don't like a trade, you hate Gainey. I want the habs to win a cup, hence I want to see improvement. They are definitely on the right track, it doesn't mean they are perfect. If they were, we would have the cup again and nothing to talk about.

[Fanpuck33]

Sometimes I really wonder about some people here. If you want to see a different line combo, you hate Carbo. If you don't like a trade, you hate Gainey. I want the habs to win a cup, hence I want to see improvement. They are definitely on the right track, it doesn't mean they are perfect. If they were, we would have the cup again and nothing to talk about.

You're the one who started the thread lamenting Gainey trading Ribeiro.

[brobin]

Oh, and Dallas is not looking to dump Ribs. All I have heard is that they feel they stole him from Montreal. Frankly, they were just excited to get rid of Niinimaa's salary.

I don't think Ribs has anything to do with Lats. I think Lats would be up or down regardless if we had Ribs here. If anything, Downey or Murry would not be playing, Begin would be on the wing, bumping them.

[Mr. Nasty]

Stats don't say anything. He has been in Tippetts doghouse for the past few weeks and I believe was a healthy scratch last week. Why would you scratch your leading scorer and only play him 10 mins a game. Things that make you go Hmmmm?

[brobin]

You're the one who started the thread lamenting Gainey trading Ribeiro.

What's so funny. That is my point. I started the thread to generate discussion. Instead I was bashed for

1. Being a rib lover (I am not)

2. Bringing this up at all

I don't mind people disagreeing at all, I am looking for discussion. If it was about Bullis or Zed, I suspect there would be some polite replies, some agreeing, some disagreeing. since it is about ribs.. people freak out.

In any case, I give up.. There is no point discussing it. If fact, it appears that unless I start a thread praising Carbo, Gainey, or Lats, there is not much point discussing players at all.

Sheesh, you would think I started a thread to trade for Tucker...

[Fanpuck33]

These threads pop up every year, whining and complaining about trading away so-and-so. We should dwell on the present and the future.

[JLP]

Sheesh, you would think I started a thread to trade for Tucker...

:puke:

Well I for one agree with much of what brobin wrote, trade seemed hasty, Ribs' value could well have increased by this point in the season and so on. I have a feeling it was the intangibles or something behind the scenes that precipitated the trade, we'll probably never know. But I also agree that c'est la vie, he's gone and we move on. (I wonder what LA fans think about the Huet trade hehehe, boy if it had gone the other way imagine the threads we'd see here!!!)