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Thats an old line. But not true a lot of the time. A ton of fans (myself included) wanted Gorges traded. Gionta let go. Brierre gone. Moen gone. Tokarski over Budjai. Bourque gone. Sekac signed. Subban locked up long term. If you look at those moves MB managed the way most fans would have. :nuts:

Or maybe it's just that you had a very similar and fair assessment from your armchair? I mean you pay attention, and obviously know a bit, but I seriously doubt Bergevin reads this board or any other board much.... fans aren't deciding, but we're no fools either.

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Managing like a fan doesn't mean you make decisions fans would. Managing like a fan means you make decisions without zero consideration on the cause/effect it would have for a team. It's making a decision "just because".

The Toronto Maple Leafs during the JFJ era managed the team like fans. They always tried to make big splashes during free agency and constantly over-evaluated their teams ability. They rushed rookies, rushed youngsters out the door and tried to be loyal to role players. When they realized they couldn't win with the team and tried to "clean house" like the fans wanted to, they realized all of the big contracts they previously gave out meant they couldn't trade anyone with NMCs and NTCs. Hence the "Muskoka Five".

"You listen to the fans you end up becoming one" is all about being a GM like someone on the outside of the organization instead of being a GM on the inside.

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Managing like a fan doesn't mean you make decisions fans would. Managing like a fan means you make decisions without zero consideration on the cause/effect it would have for a team. It's making a decision "just because".

The Toronto Maple Leafs during the JFJ era managed the team like fans. They always tried to make big splashes during free agency and constantly over-evaluated their teams ability. They rushed rookies, rushed youngsters out the door and tried to be loyal to role players. When they realized they couldn't win with the team and tried to "clean house" like the fans wanted to, they realized all of the big contracts they previously gave out meant they couldn't trade anyone with NMCs and NTCs. Hence the "Muskoka Five".

"You listen to the fans you end up becoming one" is all about being a GM like someone on the outside of the organization instead of being a GM on the inside.

well you mean like "dumb fans" to say the way JFJ the team is what everyone means when they say a fan managing the team is an insult to fans.

the saying would then be changed to........ "if I manage the team like an idiot fan then i will soon be out of work" LOL

leafs? JFJ era? bad example to say the least.

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there are some decisions gm make that fans were laughing at the day they made it.

Sather giving Gomez and Dury superstar money and contracts on the same day. ha! Gainey trading for Gomez and a contract would not have touched. Button giving St louis away. Roy and Keane for nothing. Rask for Raycroft. C.lemieux for S.turgeon. Chelly for declining Savard. Seguin to Dallas, bruins fans hated that deal since day one. Hab fans liked it. ....could go on and on. HR could manage a team. What he could not manage is getting the position in the first place. lol

but if he spoke french half as well as he speaks english, he'd have a shot at coaching one team. :nuts:

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there are some decisions gm make that fans were laughing at the day they made it.

Sather giving Gomez and Dury superstar money and contracts on the same day. ha! Gainey trading for Gomez and a contract would not have touched. Button giving St louis away. Roy and Keane for nothing. Rask for Raycroft. C.lemieux for S.turgeon. Chelly for declining Savard. Seguin to Dallas, bruins fans hated that deal since day one. Hab fans liked it. ....could go on and on. HR could manage a team. What he could not manage is getting the position in the first place. lol

but if he spoke french half as well as he speaks english, he'd have a shot at coaching one team. :nuts:

Damn! so close. :rofl:

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Thats an old line. But not true a lot of the time. A ton of fans (myself included) wanted Gorges traded. Gionta let go. Brierre gone. Moen gone. Tokarski over Budjai. Bourque gone. Sekac signed. Subban locked up long term. If you look at those moves MB managed the way most fans would have. :nuts:

Next step: trading Plekanec or DD.

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So trade a centre, down to 4 and remove 40-50points.

So if Eller, Galchenyuk or X go down to injury anytime between now and late May, which 40+point defensively sound centre slots in? Or cost in trade to replace, when trading from weak position of need/desperation?

One quasi-extra centre does not mean a lot of spare guys to ship out and defense is not hurting team in Wins-Losses.

It is simply offense from top 9 that needs to pick it up or be bolstered, not weakened.

And for crying out loud, how can many want to strip forward group of a good player and push saviour Beaulieu or Tinordi farther down depth chart? All I kep hearing is the kids are ready, Mgmt are idiots for nt playing them more and some want Beaulieu to play top-4, which is kooky, but a common gripe from many.

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So trade a centre, down to 4 and remove 40-50points.

So if Eller, Galchenyuk or X go down to injury anytime between now and late May, which 40+point defensively sound centre slots in? Or cost in trade to replace, when trading from weak position of need/desperation?

One quasi-extra centre does not mean a lot of spare guys to ship out and defense is not hurting team in Wins-Losses.

It is simply offense from top 9 that needs to pick it up or be bolstered, not weakened.

And for crying out loud, how can many want to strip forward group of a good player and push saviour Beaulieu or Tinordi farther down depth chart? All I kep hearing is the kids are ready, Mgmt are idiots for nt playing them more and some want Beaulieu to play top-4, which is kooky, but a common gripe from many.

For one its just options he referred to. Secondly you are assuming that if a D is picked up, that the kids would sit. Nope, a new D would replace gilbert or allan or weaver. Heck even gonchar could go and i would not miss the old fart one bit.

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Gonchar has been solid. Not sure about that assessment. He's not a number 3, but he has played well.

Yes he pretty much has been, I would say he is a 5th defence at this stage of his career. Just not at 5 mill per. It will be his last year I am sure, so let's wring every last ounce of talent out of him. :)

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Gonchar has been solid. Not sure about that assessment. He's not a number 3, but he has played well.

Yes he has been ok. as i heard it put "he can still take a regular shift" ok. not exactly a glaring scouting report but he will have to do. Kabby like move. My measuring stick is to look at the tough teams that will be there deep in spring.....would gonchar nake those clubs top four? not a chance.

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Yes he has been ok. as i heard it put "he can still take a regular shift" ok. not exactly a glaring scouting report but he will have to do. Kabby like move. My measuring stick is to look at the tough teams that will be there deep in spring.....would gonchar nake those clubs top four? not a chance.

Very true.

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Yes he has been ok. as i heard it put "he can still take a regular shift" ok. not exactly a glaring scouting report but he will have to do. Kabby like move. My measuring stick is to look at the tough teams that will be there deep in spring.....would gonchar nake those clubs top four? not a chance.

Most of the elite teams have a pair of defensemen capable of logging major minutes and other defensemen that are either specialists or paid on the cheap.

The only team I can think of that has a "perfect" top-4 is Chicago with Keith, Seabrook, Oduya and Hjalmarsson. They've also had a glaring hole in their second like center role, so no team is perfect.

Gonchar is just ok. He's filling the role that Tom Gilbert was supposed to do. Good on MB for recognizing that TG wasn't working and finding a serviceable guy to fill that role. If TG and SG reversed ages, nobody would complain.

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Most of the elite teams have a pair of defensemen capable of logging major minutes and other defensemen that are either specialists or paid on the cheap.

The only team I can think of that has a "perfect" top-4 is Chicago with Keith, Seabrook, Oduya and Hjalmarsson. They've also had a glaring hole in their second like center role, so no team is perfect.

Gonchar is just ok. He's filling the role that Tom Gilbert was supposed to do. Good on MB for recognizing that TG wasn't working and finding a serviceable guy to fill that role. If TG and SG reversed ages, nobody would complain.

Yep he is just ok. Fortunately habs had a tom gilbert to give gonchar a reason for coming.

Gonchar would not get a sniff on the kings, ducks, hawks, pens, sharks, wild, bruins, rangers, flames, heck the stars stink and they wanted to give the young guys ice time,. The loafs would not take him.

Having gonchar on your top 4 is a sigh of weakness, spin it any way ya want. And this is not a news flash....41 year old slow defensemen do not get better as the 82 game schedule goes on.

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Most of the elite teams have a pair of defensemen capable of logging major minutes and other defensemen that are either specialists or paid on the cheap.

The only team I can think of that has a "perfect" top-4 is Chicago with Keith, Seabrook, Oduya and Hjalmarsson. They've also had a glaring hole in their second like center role, so no team is perfect.

Gonchar is just ok. He's filling the role that Tom Gilbert was supposed to do. Good on MB for recognizing that TG wasn't working and finding a serviceable guy to fill that role. If TG and SG reversed ages, nobody would complain.

I don't think we can call Gonchar paid on the cheap. 1.5 million he would be fine.

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Best thing about last nights win other that the the obvious two points. NB's emergence into the top four. Emelin got bumped to 3rd pair with gilbert. Now i know Gilbert cant take that spot off the kid. Emelin has not played lately like he can either. Its the kids to lose. One more tweak is to put NB with Markov and Subban with Gonchar. This would allow the coach more freedom in having one of his big two on the ice for more of the game.

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Best thing about last nights win other that the the obvious two points. NB's emergence into the top four. Emelin got bumped to 3rd pair with gilbert. Now i know Gilbert cant take that spot off the kid. Emelin has not played lately like he can either. Its the kids to lose. One more tweak is to put NB with Markov and Subban with Gonchar. This would allow the coach more freedom in having one of his big two on the ice for more of the game.

I'd rather wait until Beaulieu showed that he can competently play 17-18 minutes a game for more than one game before asking him to play closer to 22-24 with Markov. Also, putting Subban with Gonchar would make the latter play a lot more. You don't seem to be a big fan of Gonchar so wouldn't that be a bad thing?

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Could it be that our biggest problem on the blueline is that Emelin is not the player he was supposed to be? In 2012-13, he was an absolute lynchpin back there, and that, I think, set the expectation for what he could bring. But since then, he really has not been nearly as effective, and arguably is not a legitimate top-4 defenceman but rather a prototypical bottom-pairing guy.

Habs 30/31 is correct that the blueline is problematic, and not a legitimate Cup-winning D-corps. I always look to the blueline when assessing a team. I really like our team, but the blueline is flawed in the #3 and #4 slots; we've got two legit top-pairing guys (even if one of them is on his last legs), and a bunch of #5 defencemen. I like Gonchar a lot - I always like smart, canny players - but as a core piece on a Cup winner? Not at this stage of his career.

The answer will come from within, of course. Beaulieu and Tinordi. But in the meantime, it's about patch-up jobs. I would not be at all surprised to see Zoot Suit go out and get a rental defenceman at the deadline, if he has any cap space.

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Managing like a fan doesn't mean you make decisions fans would. Managing like a fan means you make decisions without zero consideration on the cause/effect it would have for a team. It's making a decision "just because".

The Toronto Maple Leafs during the JFJ era managed the team like fans. They always tried to make big splashes during free agency and constantly over-evaluated their teams ability. They rushed rookies, rushed youngsters out the door and tried to be loyal to role players. When they realized they couldn't win with the team and tried to "clean house" like the fans wanted to, they realized all of the big contracts they previously gave out meant they couldn't trade anyone with NMCs and NTCs. Hence the "Muskoka Five".

"You listen to the fans you end up becoming one" is all about being a GM like someone on the outside of the organization instead of being a GM on the inside.

That was beautiful MLG.

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well with 5 centers and a shortage on D. One of them just got closer to going up for sale. For the right price?

Don't use the words "up for sale" and "price" in the same sentence pulleeeeezzze. :nuts:

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I'd rather wait until Beaulieu showed that he can competently play 17-18 minutes a game for more than one game before asking him to play closer to 22-24 with Markov. Also, putting Subban with Gonchar would make the latter play a lot more. You don't seem to be a big fan of Gonchar so wouldn't that be a bad thing?

Yes but if Gonchar is going to be top four anyways (and it appears for now he is) I would rather have him playing a tad more with Subban than playing less but with a rookie. Also it would be my aim to lighten markovs load of ice time somewhat, so he has lots of gas in the tank come play offs. No one can deny that he had almost nothing after the second round last year. Speedy rangers ate him up. Same thing has happened with the likes of Chara last couple of seasons. It will happen again to Markov if he keeps playing 27 hard minutes a night, including over half the third period in a lot of games. So splitting out two studs on D and pairing them with the old man SG and the rookie NB makes sense and will pay off in many ways. imo

After that, I would give Tinordi a solid shot at earning then owning a spot on the third pair.

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