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He obviously is still hurt, get him the surgery, do what ever has to be done. This season is over. Protect our most valuable asset. Do not under any circumstances all ow him to further injure himself. Let everyone know we are done.

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Still can't believe that without price this team is this bad. i just think that MT hasn't adjusted his way of coaching. He can't coach the same way he does when price is in the net, but he does. He needs to change his system up to adjust for the lost of price.

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How does he do that exactly, play 5 guys behind the red line and finish the game with 12 shots on net? This team can't have so much as a single breakdown without it hitting the back of the net. if our forwards cheat even a little the Defense finds a way to pick that inopportune moment to screw up, and the goalies are never able to bail them out of any blunder.

when I see a team controlling the play for 2 periods and suddenly fall apart, that is on them, you think Therrien told them to stop skating in the 3rd? that was a mental and automatic reaction by very unconfident group of players trying not to lose yet another game. These guys play the right way for 80% of every game, but unlike any other team, they find ways to allow 2 - 3 goals during the 20% portion of the game they go off the rails. I feel every night as though the Habs are playing the better hockey on the ice, they find ways to throw games with a series of breakdowns over a span of 15 seconds. Thus removing any positive in the 10 minutes of solid hockey they played prior, and turning the game on its head for themselves each and every night.

the mindset of the players at this point is to blame, it is all wrong, it is not Therrien for a bad system, it is not Bergevin for a horrible team, it is the players and what is happening between their ears. They don't believe in eachother at this point. the forwards don't trust the Defense, the Defense doesn't trust the Goaltending, each position feels the pressure of that mindset and none are performing up to their capabilities because of it. No matter how good a stretch in a game everything seems to be working at each position, the moment a turnover or a weak goal takes place, the whole "Oh here we go again" mindset strikes and the train derails and we all end up here talking about how horrible this is.

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Change up...how?

Limiting shots isn't helping.

Totally brain-dead giveaways/turnovers by the veteran forwards and d-men don't seem a coaching thing; but I guess he could bench or scratch them? Although I remember him benching Subban for two or three shifts and most HabFans totally freaked out.

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How does he do that exactly, play 5 guys behind the red line and finish the game with 12 shots on net? This team can't have so much as a single breakdown without it hitting the back of the net. if our forwards cheat even a little the Defense finds a way to pick that inopportune moment to screw up, and the goalies are never able to bail them out of any blunder.

when I see a team controlling the play for 2 periods and suddenly fall apart, that is on them, you think Therrien told them to stop skating in the 3rd? that was a mental and automatic reaction by very unconfident group of players trying not to lose yet another game. These guys play the right way for 80% of every game, but unlike any other team, they find ways to allow 2 - 3 goals during the 20% portion of the game they go off the rails. I feel every night as though the Habs are playing the better hockey on the ice, they find ways to throw games with a series of breakdowns over a span of 15 seconds. Thus removing any positive in the 10 minutes of solid hockey they played prior, and turning the game on its head for themselves each and every night.

the mindset of the players at this point is to blame, it is all wrong, it is not Therrien for a bad system, it is not Bergevin for a horrible team, it is the players and what is happening between their ears. They don't believe in eachother at this point. the forwards don't trust the Defense, the Defense doesn't trust the Goaltending, each position feels the pressure of that mindset and none are performing up to their capabilities because of it. No matter how good a stretch in a game everything seems to be working at each position, the moment a turnover or a weak goal takes place, the whole "Oh here we go again" mindset strikes and the train derails and we all end up here talking about how horrible this is.

got a way to fix it? cause I don't see one? And i am sorry but the "process" don't work. THAT is the coach.

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I'm not watching games too closely any more - too nauseating - but the main problem with 'The Process' was the inability of players to CAPITALIZE on their chances. Missed nets, deflections, and (what really has driven me blind with rage) holding onto the puck for too long before shooting, a sure sign of lack of confidence.

Add to that several games sacrificed due to mediocre goaltending, and it's a can't-win scenario.

So I have trouble laying it at Therrien's feet particularly, but at this point, I don't care. This team HAS to make major changes, and making a human sacrifice out of Therrien is one of them. Same thing happened to JM, basically. That's the coach's lot.

We'll need to do more than fire Therrien, of course; getting a FW who can put the frigging puck in the frigging net would be a frigging start. But MT will have his throat slit at year's end, that much is a certainty IMHO.

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Personally I don't think the goaltender should have much bearing on the rest of the team at all, save for the goalies puck playing abilities. Price is a great pick handler, so that's the one place MT should compensate.

But yea sure, shut carey down. He has 5-6 great years left, but only if he doesn't do serious damage. Surgury, therapy, whatever is required. We need our #1 back, but the next 5 years is way greater than this season which is likely in the toilet already

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This year is done. I don't even want them to make the playoffs. And believe me that is hard for me to say. We can't score goals, so does the coach have them practicing that? According to knuckles NO. Are we working on the P/P ? Again NO. Le Genius's answer let's run the blender, let's put the 4th line on the P/P. I just see no one taking responsibility for this forking mess. Who's job is it? The forking coach! He thinks practice (boy we could go on about that) is for skating drills which don't work and which he apparently does not see the point in stopping and correcting. He had the all star break, do you see a difference in this team? I don't. I do not want Carey to come back and try to save this team, and he would try, let this season go, bring him back next year with a new coach and let's take a run at the cup.

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It is the coaches fault, that is 100% true. Yes, we should shut Carey down and write the season off. It should all be about next season at this point. Funny how the team this year reminds me of 2011/12 habs that had an early lead every game, outplayed the other teams 80% of every game and yet found a way to lose almost every night.

Next year, healthy Carey, new coach and gm, new free agents and a new top pick player. We will be a better team. Carey, go home and rest. We will see you in training camp.

I have given up and taken a job at sea for 4 months. No worries about missing the parade this season. My bank account thanks you MT.

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It is the coaches fault, that is 100% true. Yes, we should shut Carey down and write the season off. It should all be about next season at this point. Funny how the team this year reminds me of 2011/12 habs that had an early lead every game, outplayed the other teams 80% of every game and yet found a way to lose almost every night.

Next year, healthy Carey, new coach and gm, new free agents and a new top pick player. We will be a better team. Carey, go home and rest. We will see you in training camp.

I have given up and taken a job at sea for 4 months. No worries about missing the parade this season. My bank account thanks you MT.

Yacht or cruise??

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And Price being out seems to of affected the vet skaters more than the younger guys for some reason; which seems to indicate coach-player leadership issue dosent it?

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The thing is, Pleks has something like 7 points in 21 games, and DD has even worse numbers. It's really hard to see how Price was the key to making those guys offensively competent players. Similarly, it's hard to see how Price is connected to a guy like Galy continually missing the net on scoring chances, or to PK's getting 2 goals in his first 40 games or whatever it was. In other words, how does Price improve players' shooting percentages??

That's the problem I've got with the whole 'this team was nothing but Price' argument. Price didn't make Pleks a 26-goal scorer, any more than he made DD a 55-point C. Those players themselves did that. But if you subtract two top-6 FW from a roster that was already short of top-6 FW, that team is going to struggle mightily. This is effectively what's happened as DD and Pleks have completely crapped out since December 1. Add a .905 save % to that, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Here's another way to put it. Having Price might have allowed us to ride out these kind of offensive struggles from key players more effectively than we've done. But I don't think having Price would have prevented those offensive slumps or somehow made Pleks/DD better hockey players.

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Price does make the offense better though, with Markov and Subban on the ice most of the games, and Price's ability to get to pucks and direct the exit from the zone as he does, the forwards immediately have another step or two the other way, or at least more speed going through the neutral zone as they exit as a five man unit.

Price makes a huge difference in game plan, and we don't have the pieces to be a top 10 team without that game plan from the last 3 seasons.

These same Habs capitalized on chances, but those chances were mostly generated from the defensive zone, either with Patch looking for the long passes and break away goals, or scoring on the rush and PP, good transition game goals, as we were a terrible possession team. Now we are great at fancy stats, but don't have the guys that can bury by possessing the puck, and completing the plays they do set up.

What if Price can come back really soon, and we make a push, make the playoffs, and get through the first round? Fire up that bandwagon!

Anything can happen if Price returns, and we are still close, if he doesn't return, it's obvious we are a lottery pick come June.

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The thing is, Pleks has something like 7 points in 21 games, and DD has even worse numbers. It's really hard to see how Price was the key to making those guys offensively competent players. Similarly, it's hard to see how Price is connected to a guy like Galy continually missing the net on scoring chances, or to PK's getting 2 goals in his first 40 games or whatever it was. In other words, how does Price improve players' shooting percentages??

That's the problem I've got with the whole 'this team was nothing but Price' argument. Price didn't make Pleks a 26-goal scorer, any more than he made DD a 55-point C. Those players themselves did that. But if you subtract two top-6 FW from a roster that was already short of top-6 FW, that team is going to struggle mightily. This is effectively what's happened as DD and Pleks have completely crapped out since December 1. Add a .905 save % to that, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Here's another way to put it. Having Price might have allowed us to ride out these kind of offensive struggles from key players more effectively than we've done. But I don't think having Price would have prevented those offensive slumps or somehow made Pleks/DD better hockey players.

I said last year we should have traded both pleks and DD. We may have gotten a real good return for pleas last year. He'd probably bring the best return for the guys we need to move, but his value is much lower now.

We need to move some of the veteran core. May as well try and move them at the deadline and get more picks or prospects. Dump Markov, Pleks, weisse, emelin, Gilbert, DD for sure. I think we could probably package petry or Beaulieu (not both), with one of the other guys to pick a high end 0ffensive prospect and pick (drouin).

There are some great ideas d free agents available and the price for free agents has been a lot lower than in the past. Build around subban, maxpac, Gallagher, galchenyuk and price. Everyone else is expandable.

Make the moves and play the AHL kids.

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I said last year we should have traded both pleks and DD. We may have gotten a real good return for pleas last year. He'd probably bring the best return for the guys we need to move, but his value is much lower now.

We need to move some of the veteran core. May as well try and move them at the deadline and get more picks or prospects. Dump Markov, Pleks, weisse, emelin, Gilbert, DD for sure. I think we could probably package petry or Beaulieu (not both), with one of the other guys to pick a high end 0ffensive prospect and pick (drouin).

There are some great ideas d free agents available and the price for free agents has been a lot lower than in the past. Build around subban, maxpac, Gallagher, galchenyuk and price. Everyone else is expandable.

Make the moves and play the AHL kids.

Hard to disagree. Good post.

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Price does make the offense better though, with Markov and Subban on the ice most of the games, and Price's ability to get to pucks and direct the exit from the zone as he does, the forwards immediately have another step or two the other way, or at least more speed going through the neutral zone as they exit as a five man unit.

Price makes a huge difference in game plan, and we don't have the pieces to be a top 10 team without that game plan from the last 3 seasons.

These same Habs capitalized on chances, but those chances were mostly generated from the defensive zone, either with Patch looking for the long passes and break away goals, or scoring on the rush and PP, good transition game goals, as we were a terrible possession team. Now we are great at fancy stats, but don't have the guys that can bury by possessing the puck, and completing the plays they do set up.

What if Price can come back really soon, and we make a push, make the playoffs, and get through the first round? Fire up that bandwagon!

Anything can happen if Price returns, and we are still close, if he doesn't return, it's obvious we are a lottery pick come June.

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I said last year we should have traded both pleks and DD. We may have gotten a real good return for pleas last year. He'd probably bring the best return for the guys we need to move, but his value is much lower now.

We need to move some of the veteran core. May as well try and move them at the deadline and get more picks or prospects. Dump Markov, Pleks, weisse, emelin, Gilbert, DD for sure. I think we could probably package petry or Beaulieu (not both), with one of the other guys to pick a high end 0ffensive prospect and pick (drouin).

There are some great ideas d free agents available and the price for free agents has been a lot lower than in the past. Build around subban, maxpac, Gallagher, galchenyuk and price. Everyone else is expandable.

Make the moves and play the AHL kids.

But wait we actually won a game. The playoff hunt is back on! Sarcasm.

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I doubt they're going to shut Price down unless it's absolutely necessary. That win against the Oilers yesterday keeps them in the running for the playoffs. As long as they can get within sniffing distance of the playoffs, Bergevin will do everything possible to make it. If the Habs win today, you can forget about the "tank". They will likely go all in to try and salvage the season. They are too stupid to realize that it's over and even if they make the playoffs, they will be lucky to make it out of the first or second round. I expect a few desperation trades that involve the Canadiens giving up good young assets for more crap that gets us nowhere and hurts us in the next few seasons. I'm praying that I'm wrong.

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If he is good enough to play he is going to play. It is irrelevant where the Habs are in the standings. I can't think of any instance ever of an athlete being medically cleared to play but saying, naw I'm just gonna take the rest of the year off.

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If he is good enough to play he is going to play. It is irrelevant where the Habs are in the standings. I can't think of any instance ever of an athlete being medically cleared to play but saying, naw I'm just gonna take the rest of the year off.

He is not medically cleared, far from it. They brought him back too quickly last time, Let's make sure he is healed this time. It is a knee, which are very tricky, rest and rehab, possibly surgery. Watching him skate the other day, he is in for a long rehab. Playing him the final 10 games is not going to be of benefit.

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