GHT120 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, tomh009 said: That basically means we'd be paying significant assets for a rental player, as there is no guarantee that he would sign an extension a year from now, *** IF *** a trade is made , I fully expect (nudge-nudge) there will already be (wink-wink) a "reverse Kotkaniemi" between Hughes and Brisson ... meaning one-year lower (relative) value RFA deal followed by a higher paying 8-year extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, tomh009 said: That basically means we'd be paying significant assets for a rental player, as there is no guarantee that he would sign an extension a year from now, If habs in fact trade for PLD rights he will be signing for 8 years I'm and around Suzuki caufield dollars. Don't be fooled by the 9 million rumours, that's all to put teams off of trading for him. He is forcing his way to MTL personally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: If habs in fact trade for PLD rights he will be signing for 8 years I'm and around Suzuki caufield dollars. Don't be fooled by the 9 million rumours, that's all to put teams off of trading for him. He is forcing his way to MTL personally... If the Habs trade for PLD without Winnipeg signing an extension, Habs can't sign him for 8-years until after the trade deadline. BTW - wasn't suggesting $9M, must more than Suzuki ... the "internal ceiling" is (IMO) for second contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: If habs in fact trade for PLD rights he will be signing for 8 years I'm and around Suzuki caufield dollars. Don't be fooled by the 9 million rumours, that's all to put teams off of trading for him. He is forcing his way to MTL personally... Its also his opening offer. Everyone knows that if what you really want is 8 mill a season, you cant make your opening offer at 8 mill. You have to ask for more and negotiate down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I think the bigger issue is that the Habs have no one the Jets want and the Habs are willing to give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 10 hours ago, tomh009 said: I think the bigger issue is that the Habs have no one the Jets want and the Habs are willing to give up. Perhaps there is a third team involved? There seems to be more three team trades happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) Basu had some interesting notes on the Habs salary cap here : Talking about Prices LTIR, they could get an extra $1.17 if they avoid some bonuses. As previously reported, the Canadiens very much liked what Monahan brought when healthy, the influence he had on their young players and the style of game that was a good change of pace from their other forwards. And Monahan loved playing in Montreal. https://t.co/2mis7xJk22 — Arpon Basu (@ArponBasu) June 20, 2023 Edited June 21, 2023 by alfredoh2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Vasi had some interesting notes on the Habs salary cap here : Talking about Prices LTIR, they could get an extra $1.17 if they avoid some bonuses. His point on Price was that because of Price being on LTIR last season, there were $1,170,000 in bonuses earned last season that had to be carried over against this season's reported $83.5M cap ceiling, leaving the Habs $82.33M in potential cap space. ***IF*** HuGo were willing to keep Price on regular Injured reserve this season and live with his $10.5M counting against the cap they could avoid the potential $4.21M in bonuses this season having to be carried over to 24/25. CapFriendly is showing the cap hit for Habs' roster, at $84,759,166 (including the bonus carryover and the last season of Alzner's buyout) ... that is with only 20 roster slots filled, meaning a 7th D and the 13/14th F still to be added ... so to keep Price on the cap would mean moving out $2.42917M plus whatever the remaining 2-3 roster players cost ... and not making any trades that were not money in for money out. Moving Edmundson would seem the most likely move but that would leave just over $1M in flexibility, likely just an in-season cushion at best, and still needing the extra Ds and Fs ... so they would likely have to pay to get someone to take Armia and/or Hoffman to make keeping Price on the roster work. Doesn't seem practical to me. Edited June 21, 2023 by GHT120 Added clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revvvrob Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 I feel like I’m about to ask a dumb question … Couldn’t the Habs bury Armia or Hoffman in the AHL and have their cap hit deducted (or some of it). I know it’s wishful thinking someone would claim them on waivers, but seems like it would allow them to avoid LTIR for Price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutarch Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 9 hours ago, revvvrob said: I feel like I’m about to ask a dumb question … Couldn’t the Habs bury Armia or Hoffman in the AHL and have their cap hit deducted (or some of it). I know it’s wishful thinking someone would claim them on waivers, but seems like it would allow them to avoid LTIR for Price. I think players around the league don't like that and it's a bad rep hit. Plus they may not be great AHL influences and are taking development minutes away from guys. While simply eliminating any trade value. But they totally could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutarch Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 9 hours ago, revvvrob said: I feel like I’m about to ask a dumb question … Couldn’t the Habs bury Armia or Hoffman in the AHL and have their cap hit deducted (or some of it). I know it’s wishful thinking someone would claim them on waivers, but seems like it would allow them to avoid LTIR for Price. They'd save 1.1M each according to capfriendly by burying them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, Plutarch said: They'd save 1.1M each according to capfriendly by burying them. In the end, it's not much of a cap savings if you need to bring up someone else from Laval, even if it's at league minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Plutarch said: They'd save 1.1M each according to capfriendly by burying them. $1.15M, to be precise - it's $375,000 plus whatever the league minimum is that season. And to answer Rob's question, yes, it's a definite option. If Montreal wants to stay out of LTIR, I expect they will be making use of that particular option as well, doing a Byron-like shuffle from a few years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 59 minutes ago, dlbalr said: $1.15M, to be precise - it's $375,000 plus whatever the league minimum is that season. And to answer Rob's question, yes, it's a definite option. If Montreal wants to stay out of LTIR, I expect they will be making use of that particular option as well, doing a Byron-like shuffle from a few years ago. And if they happen to lose them on waivers (unlikely as that may be) ... oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 53 minutes ago, GHT120 said: And if they happen to lose them on waivers (unlikely as that may be) ... oh well. "unlikely" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 20 hours ago, revvvrob said: I feel like I’m about to ask a dumb question … Couldn’t the Habs bury Armia or Hoffman in the AHL and have their cap hit deducted (or some of it). I know it’s wishful thinking someone would claim them on waivers, but seems like it would allow them to avoid LTIR for Price. Its only slightly over 1 million that is saved. Most of which is used up by the callup who replaces them. Overall the savings becomes a net of 200-400 hundred grand at the end of it all (depending on who the call up is and what their nhl contract is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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