DON Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I know it dosent really matter who has 'C' on jersey, but Plekanec & Markov both older and not long left on contracts. So would think best (only) 2 options are one of these youngish guys who are locked up for awhile. Subban seems more media friendly but Pacioretty has been and still is the one and only legitimate "All-Star" calibre forward on team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I know it dosent really matter who has 'C' on jersey, but Plekanec & Markov both older and not long left on contracts. So would think best (only) 2 options are one of these youngish guys who are locked up for awhile. Subban seems more media friendly but Pacioretty has been and still is the one and only legitimate "All-Star" calibre forward on team. I feel like Subban is so talented people people somehow forget it. Pacioretty is a legitimate all-star calibre forward? That's great. What is a forward supposed to do? Score. Pacioretty had 67 in 80. P.K. Subban as a defenceman had 60 in 82. Only a 7 point difference in two more games. Subban has also been our leading scorer in the playoffs for three post-seasons now. Pacioretty may be our main goal scorer but Subban is everything to our offence. He's the second best player on the team because the best player is the best player in the game. Subban is media friendly, our second best player and is on the ice more than anyone else. He's honestly everything we would ask for in a captain aside from the occasional slew foot and diving penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The only knock On Subban is he takes some bad penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The only knock On Subban is he takes some bad penalties. Vincent Damphousse was my favourite player growing up and I don't think he played a game without taking a bowling shoe ugly hooking penalty. A good captain during a dark period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Yes Subban's selfish penalties are something we can do without, but seems he is maturing and PIMs have come from 124 in 10-11, down to just 74 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 My vote goes to Subban as captain. If Max got I wouldn't be disappointed at all, I just think Subban's dedication to the game is bar none. He's gone through his fair share of adversity too, and yet always comes out on top. P.K and Price are the faces of this franchise, whether they're wearing the C or not My vote goes to Subban as captain. If Max got I wouldn't be disappointed at all, I just think Subban's dedication to the game is bar none. He's gone through his fair share of adversity too, and yet always comes out on top. P.K and Price are the faces of this franchise, whether they're wearing the C or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 My vote goes to Subban as captain. If Max got I wouldn't be disappointed at all, I just think Subban's dedication to the game is bar none. He's gone through his fair share of adversity too, and yet always comes out on top. P.K and Price are the faces of this franchise, whether they're wearing the C or not My issue with Subban as Captain has nothing to do with his dedication to the game, his effort, or his leadership either on the ice or the dressing room. He appears exceptional in all those areas. My issue with Subban having the C is that you generally want a calm and collected player with a squeaky-clean reputation speaking with the referee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes an oldtimer NHLer (Damphousse I think it was?) mentioned many of best leaders seemed to be the quieter one and.not the Jeremy Roenik big-mouth egomaniac types. But, I think Subban would maybe be on best behaviour if anointed 'C', fight through checks and not 'go to the ice' so easily. So again I say, either 76 or 67 as 'C' is fine by me, but to go another year without any captain would seem a bit odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Messier was a giant asshole and they named the leadership award after him. Nothing quiet about him. Subban isn't always party. It's just the most common way we see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 My issue with Subban as Captain has nothing to do with his dedication to the game, his effort, or his leadership either on the ice or the dressing room. He appears exceptional in all those areas. My issue with Subban having the C is that you generally want a calm and collected player with a squeaky-clean reputation speaking with the referee. My thoughts exactly. Patch seems like the best candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 It could honestly go either way. Definitely a good thing to have this type of controversy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes an oldtimer NHLer (Damphousse I think it was?) mentioned many of best leaders seemed to be the quieter one and.not the Jeremy Roenik big-mouth egomaniac types. But, I think Subban would maybe be on best behaviour if anointed 'C', fight through checks and not 'go to the ice' so easily. So again I say, either 76 or 67 as 'C' is fine by me, but to go another year without any captain would seem a bit odd. Why so, wasn't odd last year. It worked very well, Price is the Captain, but he will not be appointed so the way we have it now works. Why fix what ain't broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes was a bit odd last year with no captain and would be downright strange to not be able to pin 'C' on someone for a 2nd year. What aint broke? Then tell me why does every sports team in world always (99.9%) name one then? Simply tradition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Whoa whoa, whoa, Patches has a squeaky clean reputation? Giving Letang a head shot and getting three games for it is not a squeaky clean reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes was a bit odd last year with no captain and would be downright strange to not be able to pin 'C' on someone for a 2nd year. What aint broke? Then tell me why does every sports team in world always (99.9%) name one then? Simply tradition? Well you may have found it odd, I certainly did not. The locker room that we have is good because we have 4 guys, actually 5, who are there to help and motivate the others. That is a leadership core and team. I honestly don't care what other reams in any sport do. I care about the Habs, who have a unique situation in that they are loaded with leadership. Why put one or more of those leaders nose out of joint by naming a captain? It works, let's don't mess with success. All we have heard for the last year is that it is a great room, with great attitude and camaraderie. Yes a lot of naming a Captain is tradition, you give the honor to one guy, who is the most respected guy on the team (usually). With 5 guys handling the job, it gives flexibility, we always have an associate captain if someone gets injured etc. No I won't be surprised if it stays the same. Just lok at this site there are lots of favorites for captain, I say keep em all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Fact is, team failed last year and did not win a cup. Subban played so-so vs Tampa, Markov & Plekanec as well, so maybe it aint best to have half the team wearing A's I would be very surprised if captain not named this year. And when team has had a 'C' for over 100 years, yes is it odd (unusual) to not have one, how can you argue it wasnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Fact is, team failed last year and did not win a cup. Subban played so-so vs Tampa, Markov & Plekanec as well, so maybe it aint best to have half the team wearing A's I would be very surprised if captain not named this year. And when team has had a 'C' for over 100 years, yes is it odd (unusual) to not have one, how can you argue it wasnt? I really don't think whether we had a captain or not had anything to do with not winning the cup. We have won 24 cups so over 75 times we failed to win the cup, based on that maybe a captain is not so important. As to the rest I have already stated my thoughts on Captain, no need to repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The 'C' is overstated. It has been turned into something that it is not supposed to be. The captain is the player designated by his team as the only person authorized to speak with the game officials regarding rule interpretations when he is on the ice. That's really all it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Habs never won any cup without a 'C'. Has any team ever won a cup with no designated leader, don't think so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Maybe don't need one "boss, commander, leader, skipper..." but in sports and business it seems darn standard. Perhaps for a good reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I've moved a bunch of posts from the Pacioretty is underrated thread to here as the captaincy discussion is worthy of its own thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Habs never won any cup without a 'C'. Has any team ever won a cup with no designated leader, don't think so? This is the same logic Don Cherry had about Europeans being captains until Lidstrom lifted the Cup. Nobody said co-captains could win a Cup and then the Calgary Flames did it in 89. Nobody even does co-captains anymore. Most non-Habs fans can't tell you who our captain was in 1993. Everyone forgets who was the captain of the 99 Stars or the 04 Lightning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I agree with Jeff Price: from Wikipedia: In ice hockey, the captain is the player designated by his team as the only person authorized to speak with the game officials regarding rule interpretations when he is on the ice. At most levels of play, each team must designate one captain and a number of alternate captains (usually two) who speak to the officials when the captain is on the bench. The captain wears a "C" on his jersey, while the alternate captains wear an "A." Officially the captain has no other responsibility or authority, though depending on the league or individual team, he may have various informal duties, such as participation in pre-game ceremonies or other events outside of the game. As with most team sports that designate captains, the captain is usually a well-respected player and a de facto team leader. It isn't a big deal and what we got works. Let's be the first to win the Cup with no designated Captain. I like your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Never, there will be a captain by Oct 1st! Whether important or not so much, they will name someone 'C' (but I thought it was gonna be Gorges as next captain, so my crystal ball aint so good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Never, there will be a captain by Oct 1st! Whether important or not so much, they will name someone 'C' (but I thought it was gonna be Gorges as next captain, so my crystal ball aint so good). I will bet you a lemon drop against a cherry nibs that we stay the same next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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