habs rule Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 To replace Gallant need is not for another franco coach.It makes too much of the franco clique. If Saku goes to retirement,i would see him filling Gallant shoes. Less experience on coaching more leadership. My number 1 choice. I thought of Doug Gilmour, alredy GM in Frontenac, next Leafs coach. I thought of Adam Oates PP specialist. No links to Montreal whatsoever. PJ stock assistant coach...sounds great too. Adam Oates is intriguing but he wants to be head coach again and since he doesn't speak french it won't be here. It is really pointless for us to consider hiring coaches who want to progress unless they speak french because there simply is no future for them in Montreal. If we have to have a french speaking coach then we have to develop them ourselves. Hiring english speaking only is pointless unless it is for a specific position for instance Goalie coach. Or if the guy is strictly a defence coach with no aspirations. This is the slippery slope we find ourselves on when we adopt these stupid hiring parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 I don't know much about the dogs, but from an outsider's perspective, Tinordi and Beaulieu aren't ready yet, Pateryn can't get a sniff of the big team, and Louis Leblanc got fired. It's painful to look at right now, trust me. http://forums.habsworld.net/index.php?showtopic=24760 I thought of Doug Gilmour, alredy GM in Frontenac, next Leafs coach. I thought of Adam Oates PP specialist. No links to Montreal whatsoever. I think Gilmour is done in coaching. He bailed on the Marlies mere months into his first year to go coach in Kingston. He was pretty bad there and more or less fired himself just a couple of years later. He'll be back in the NHL one day but I think it's going to be on the executive side. Adam Oates is intriguing but he wants to be head coach again and since he doesn't speak french it won't be here. It is really pointless for us to consider hiring coaches who want to progress unless they speak french because there simply is no future for them in Montreal. If we have to have a french speaking coach then we have to develop them ourselves. Hiring english speaking only is pointless unless it is for a specific position for instance Goalie coach. Or if the guy is strictly a defence coach with no aspirations. This is the slippery slope we find ourselves on when we adopt these stupid hiring parameters. Oates has been mentioned as a candidate for an assistant job so I don't think he's head coach or bust. Assistant coaches seldom become head guys on the same team (and it doesn't work well typically). So they can easily hire an English-speaking coach into Gallant's role, everyone knows that if that coach wants to be top dog somewhere, it'll be elsewhere anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Does the "French coach" policy really have to extend to EVERYONE on the staff? Setting aside the merits and demerits of the affirmative action policy for head coaches and GMs, this seems a ridiculously puritanical extension of it. And it hasn't been the case anyway. Gallant wasn't thoroughly fluent, was he? And neither was Muller. I'll grant that, given the "bilingualism" requirements for head coaching, an English-only assistant coach has a ceiling in Montreal, being impossible to raise to the bench boss position. But I doubt that would be much of a deterrent to applicants. As the cases of Muller and Gallant show, success as assistant coach in one organization can readily lead to head coaching jobs in other organizations. It's also not clear that assistant coaches have the inside track to replace their head coach when he gets fired. More often, it seems to me, a new head coach is brought in and he brings his own staff along with him. Long and the short of it: this is one area where affirmative action needn't apply and the Habs can simply go after the best person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Does the "French coach" policy really have to extend to EVERYONE on the staff? Setting aside the merits and demerits of the affirmative action policy for head coaches and GMs, this seems a ridiculously puritanical extension of it. And it hasn't been the case anyway. Gallant wasn't thoroughly fluent, was he? And neither was Muller. I'll grant that, given the "bilingualism" requirements for head coaching, an English-only assistant coach has a ceiling in Montreal, being impossible to raise to the bench boss position. But I doubt that would be much of a deterrent to applicants. As the cases of Muller and Gallant show, success as assistant coach in one organization can readily lead to head coaching jobs in other organizations. It's also not clear that assistant coaches have the inside track to replace their head coach when he gets fired. More often, it seems to me, a new head coach is brought in and he brings his own staff along with him. Long and the short of it: this is one area where affirmative action needn't apply and the Habs can simply go after the best person. I think the point that you guys missed was that there are not many viable choices for head coach. So where do we get them? I think we have to devlop them ourselves. Hence we hire french speaking assistants. You are right when you say assistants don't often get promoted, but other teams don't have the millstone of having to pick a paticular language. Are there any French speaking Head coaches in the NHL that didn't come through Montreal? I can't think of any. The only reason MT got hired is cause it was a very limited field. When Pierre ( Iknow everything) Mcquire gets consideration, it is not a good thing. Hell it's even more limited now. So we need to be the french connection in coaching. It would be easier if we just hired the best coach but that no longer works in Montreal apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ha ha, two of my favourites from those nifty teams! Isn't McPhee currently working at a car dealership in Halifax or something? So "no" to that. According to Wikipedia, Ludwig is coaching Junior A in Texas, so he could conceivably be a fit (although you know it ain't happening! MB would probably go, "Craig who - ?") Walter at least has kept his toe in the game, having been an assistant to Alain Vigneault (although he was later relieved of his duties, which raises an eyebrow to be sure) and then President of the Abbotsford Heat. Of these, though, Skrudland is clearly THE guy. What a shame that Muller was scooped up just a little while back!!! I think that Craig Ludwig is on the Stars tv team, I swear I saw him doing their intermission show on Centre Ice last year.If we want old favorites, there's a lot of options: Lyle Odelein Mats Naslund Steve Begin Chris Milan A dark horse that I could seriously see joining the staff would be Peter Popovic. I would pitch a tent if Doug Jarvis returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I like how the Devils have two Montreal greats as their special assignment coaches. Did I say like? I loathe it. COME ON LAPIERRIERE AND LEMAIRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Seriously tho.... Nilan?Martin Lapointe maybe takes Gallant's place?I suggested Carbo for a laugh over at the "Advanced stats are everything" boards, and Jerkshire said a simple "no", so I guess that's out.... Didn't know he was an assistant GM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Seriously tho.... Nilan? Martin Lapointe maybe takes Gallant's place? I suggested Carbo for a laugh over at the "Advanced stats are everything" boards, and Jerkshire said a simple "no", so I guess that's out.... Didn't know he was an assistant GM! Lapointe is a good thought, but hey - don't slag Knuckles Nilan! Not only is he a bad-ass, but he's had moments of analytical clarity over at H I/O, and no player is going to be able to shirk their duty with him on the job. He's a long-shot but I'll bet he could do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 CC, you'll be happy to know that years ago, Rick Green was an assistant to Therrien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Lapointe is a good thought, but hey - don't slag Knuckles Nilan! Not only is he a bad-ass, but he's had moments of analytical clarity over at H I/O, and no player is going to be able to shirk their duty with him on the job. He's a long-shot but I'll bet he could do it I love knuckles but i don't think the power play is his specialty. Lapointe is a good thought, but hey - don't slag Knuckles Nilan! Not only is he a bad-ass, but he's had moments of analytical clarity over at H I/O, and no player is going to be able to shirk their duty with him on the job. He's a long-shot but I'll bet he could do it Lapointe has zero experience coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhfarber Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I may be beating a dead horse here, but I wonder if Guy Boucher would have any interest in being an assistant coach again. I know I had heard that h has an NHL opt-out from his European contract, but that may be only to be a head coach. If possible, he would be my preferred option. Knows the franchise, has head-coaching experience, fulfills the language requirement (even though it drives me crazy). He would seem to bring some of what Gallant brought to the table from an experience stand point at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I may be beating a dead horse here, but I wonder if Guy Boucher would have any interest in being an assistant coach again. I know I had heard that h has an NHL opt-out from his European contract, but that may be only to be a head coach. If possible, he would be my preferred option. Knows the franchise, has head-coaching experience, fulfills the language requirement (even though it drives me crazy). He would seem to bring some of what Gallant brought to the table from an experience stand point at least. He was a good assistant when he was here, and I think would be again. However I think his contract probably has an out for head coach only. Brian maybe knows better on this, I am only guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 He was a good assistant when he was here, and I think would be again. However I think his contract probably has an out for head coach only. Brian maybe knows better on this, I am only guessing. He probably wants to be a head coach but nobody is hiring after the way he went down. He might swallow his pride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 He was a good assistant when he was here, and I think would be again. However I think his contract probably has an out for head coach only. Brian maybe knows better on this, I am only guessing. I'm not sure what the status of his out clause is. If he wants to get back as a head coach, I'd suggest staying in Switzerland may be better than going to Montreal where he'd be the focus of constant debate as to if/when he should/will replace Therrien. Being that type of a distraction probably wouldn't help his cause getting a job elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'm not sure what the status of his out clause is. If he wants to get back as a head coach, I'd suggest staying in Switzerland may be better than going to Montreal where he'd be the focus of constant debate as to if/when he should/will replace Therrien. Being that type of a distraction probably wouldn't help his cause getting a job elsewhere. good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 There were rumblings that Lapointe had been approached about the job but he wasn't interested. If that is indeed true, I wouldn't be surprised to see Scott Mellanby get approached as well. If nothing else, he at least has a couple of years of assistant coach experience with St. Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Pretty sure, Lapointe was quoted as saying he didn't want the constant travel/ to be more involved, due to family reasons and was happy exactly where he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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