Guest Stogey24 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 With the addition of some new bodies(you all know who they are), is this team better than last year going into the post season? With the breakouts of Bourque and Eller last year, do we have anyone who can step up from the bottom 6 this year? Galchenyuk missed time last year in the playoffs, is he a game changer this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Cons: The team lost some leadership in Gionta, Gorges, and Moen. Having Vanek for the run filled a pretty big need in the lineup as well. Pros: The experience from last spring will go a long way this spring. More depth this year than last. Price somehow found another level. I don't think that it is any secret that this team needs contributions from all 4 lines to get enough scoring to get the job done. I definitely think Eller can be effective again, and I am banking on Smith-Pelly to score some key goals as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Yup, this team is best when they're rolling 4 lines. Last time they did it effectively was against Carolina and they killed em' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Yes; last year Price was injured in Olympics and never got back to 100% and he is playing "quite well" this year Galchenyuk & Gallagher year older and bit better. Have better d-group with Gilbert, Weaver, Petry, Pateryn, Beaulieu2015 vs Gorges, Murray, Weaver, Beaulieu2014 Better faceoff group on 4th line, with fast Rose/Mitchell/Flynn 25 healthy players on roster. Prust is healthy, Weise coming off carrier highs in offense, got portly Pelly to bang/crash. Also have playoff experience, especially with loss to Bruins in game 5 and 95% of all counting them down & out, but came back to win games 6-7 easily. Subban will also have career highs in offense and now plays PK as well as PP if needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Great thread idea. From last year, the departures of Bourque (8), Vanek (5), Gio, Bouillon and Briere were 19 out of 51 total goals. A little over one third of our offensive production. Eller will also score less with Weise and Prust as flanks. The Bourque resurgence won't be replicated. Galchenyuk had 2 goals in 5 games. Assume that he scores a goal in every four games, that should make up three or four goals. We can count on a couple from Smith-Pelly. PK had five, that's not likely to continue. I don't think he'll fade, but he had a big series vs Boston. He'll drop a goal or two. Another way of looking at it, here's how the bottom six looked for the majority of the playoffs. Bourque-Eller-Prust Weise-Briere-Bournival/Vanek (later rounds) This is what I expect we'll have for the playoffs: Prust-Eller-Weise De La Rose-Flynn/Mitchell-Smith Pelly That is a god awful bottom six in terms of scoring. Scoring is going to be a serious problem for the bottom six. Last year, we had Briere and Bourque who had big performances, and a breakout performance from Dale Weise. Vanek was even on the fourth line with Briere and Weise. That was a third line. Torrey Mitchell just flat out sucks, and I'm happy to say it. The Habs went from having two third lines to two fourth lines. Defense- Last year Subban-Gorges Emelin-Markov Bouiilon/Beaulieu-Weaver (To defend Therrien I'll forget Murray played three games, cost us one) This year Subban-Markov Petry-Emelin Beaulieu-Gilbert Pateryn The defense is much better. The problem is, when the defense just ring the puck around the boards these PMDs aren't used correctly. If they can change the breakouts, they could be in for some more offense. But there's no weak pairing. This is one of the top-5 defenses in the league, imo. And it should be. This is where all of our cap space goes. Goalies Price-Last year sv% .919. Carey had a good series and a lackluster one. 29 goals allowed. Price-This year sv% .936 Assuming (big) he carries the same sv% he would allow 22 goals in that time. That means the Bruins lose in 6. Overall I would say the offense is much worse, but the defense is better, with the potential for a career defining series from Price. Unless the forwards don't score (at all) or he has an Ottawa style playoff meltdown, the Habs are in for a good run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Thread idea likely from TSN690 with Knuckles today (or they had same question for Nilan). But, yes is a good one and Stogey simply beat me too it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Thread idea likely from TSN690 with Knuckles today (or they had same question for Nilan). But, yes is a good one and Stogey simply beat me too it! Yup, figured someone would pick up on that.Ya Lovett, scoring will be an issue from the bottom of the line up. Bourque Turned into a legit power forward last year. There's not really a guy in the bottom 6 who can pull off what Rene did (pains me to praise Bourque). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'd say so. Just on having Galchenyuk from the start and our defence being deeper. Hilariously, every Habs article right now is, "Habs either suck or will win Cup" which is better than last year where nobody wanted to mention us winning anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Team is better this year. So is Tbay, Rangers, Islanders, Caps, Wings If you are a real young team with the best goalie in the league...... and you have not improved from a year ago ago..............fire the entire coaching staff. GO HABS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 No, last years team had a lot of vets and playoff experience. They don't have enough offense or the ability to play physical enough to win a tough series. They may lose in the first round. This year Price is much better. Unless the traditional playoff chokers do something meaningful, it could be over. I also think having this younger team will help in future playoff runs. obviously the season was better, but I don't think they are a better playoff team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Exactly who are the traditional playoff chockers, I keep hearing about "them". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Pleks, (self admitted) DD, Pacs hasn't scored mush, I'll assume PAP will vanish, since he has been invisible all season. Gallys don't score much. small sample size granted. The third and 4th lines have been the best the past few years in the playoffs. Hard to say what will happen defensively, A few new additions, possibly 2 rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Self admitted?, r u referring to that 10 year old comment...if so that is one lame f'in reference brother He gets 0.60ppg vs 0.65ppg in reg season, so he is a playoff choker is he. Hmmm high standards I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Smith-Pelly could be a a guy that shows up in the playoffs. Cement his feet in front of the net. The kid can score, it's just hard for a guy with his foot speed to have major success on a fast transition team that plays a dump and chase style. Hell give him second PP time. Look what Tampa does with Boyle. Net front presence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 No, last years team had a lot of vets and playoff experience. They don't have enough offense or the ability to play physical enough to win a tough series. They may lose in the first round. This year Price is much better. Unless the traditional playoff chokers do something meaningful, it could be over. I also think having this younger team will help in future playoff runs. obviously the season was better, but I don't think they are a better playoff team. I would say this years team is better than last years. 1. Price is having historical year. 2. Gorges is gone and he stunk. 3. Gionta on major downside of careerwas playing a very weak game. 4.No Cube. Having said that they could still go out in the first round even though they are slightly better. If Price is not absolutely brilliant this team is done. They have proved that time and time again through out the season. Wins and losses Price is always the best player habs player in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Smith-Pelly could be a a guy that shows up in the playoffs. Cement his feet in front of the net. The kid can score, it's just hard for a guy with his foot speed to have major success on a fast transition team that plays a dump and chase style. Hell give him second PP time. Look what Tampa does with Boyle. Net front presence Its a nice thought. MT will have to play him for that to happen. If habs get in trouble and are playing from behind the habs bench boss tends to shrink his bench. SP, Eller, Weiss, Chucky (combined 3 or 4 goals in last 20 games) Question is will they step up with some big goals and take the heat off Max and Gally? For habs to come close to last years run they will have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Ppg/playoffs and ppg/reg season are a whole different ballgame altogether..playoff scoring is much harder to come by as playoff teams rarely take a shift off let alone an entire game. A player can get 6 pts in rd 1, then only 3 pts in the next two rds..so 9 pts in 17 games is about right. I think what Chris was saying might be that as the team goes deeper into the playoffs, Pleks disappears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Ppg/playoffs and ppg/reg season are a whole different ballgame altogether..playoff scoring is much harder to come by as playoff teams rarely take a shift off let alone an entire game. A player can get 6 pts in rd 1, then only 3 pts in the next two rds..so 9 pts in 17 games is about right. I think what Chris was saying might be that as the team goes deeper into the playoffs, Pleks disappears? This is why I like the Habs going into the playoffs. Their first period this season so far has been brutal, yet they still somehow managed to win games. We've all seen what happens when they turn it up a notch, just imagine when they put together 60 minutes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 This is why I like the Habs going into the playoffs. Their first period this season so far has been brutal, yet they still somehow managed to win games. We've all seen what happens when they turn it up a notch, just imagine when they put together 60 minutes.... Thinking about that. Playing 20 to 40 minutes everynight... Gotta make us the most rested team for the playoffs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not sure Subban nor Markov have even broke a sweat in last few games, maybe just following orders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Could be just focused on finishing in top 4 in the east to open at home? idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not sure Subban nor Markov have even broke a sweat in last few games, maybe just following orders? Your right though. Those two have been off the gas pedal for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Self admitted?, r u referring to that 10 year old comment...if so that is one lame f'in reference brother He gets 0.60ppg vs 0.65ppg in reg season, so he is a playoff choker is he. Hmmm high standards I guess. minus player every single play off of his career. plus player every single regular season of his career. ie game goes south in play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Thinking about that. Playing 20 to 40 minutes everynight... Gotta make us the most rested team for the playoffs... There's almost truth to that. We've been very healthy all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Ppg/playoffs and ppg/reg season are a whole different ballgame altogether..playoff scoring is much harder to come by as playoff teams rarely take a shift off let alone an entire game. A player can get 6 pts in rd 1, then only 3 pts in the next two rds..so 9 pts in 17 games is about right. I think what Chris was saying might be that as the team goes deeper into the playoffs, Pleks disappears? for sure he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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